The 'Official' Do Not Vote For Obama In 2012 - Thread. Don't Want Him Back N Office!

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NoDrama

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The Ruiner said:
I will vote for Obama...Even if I didnt vote for him before, I am quite a fan now. Seriously, his administration is quite skillful.

Don't expect things to get better with a Republican, or Ron Paul...in fact, I firmly believe this will be a threat to national security.

Obama Administration has actually done some amazing work, truly inspiring. Personally, I fail to understand what all of you have against him. It makes no sense that everyone seeks to hold one person accountable for damn near everything wrong in this country. Blame yourselves, folks. You all have been asleep at the wheel while the machine has kept driving. You are all in control, but you have not learned how the machine operates. It's time to get real about the state of affairs, not just in America, but the world. We literally are the world; what happens out there directly affects us here...Unless you have what amounts to be literally centuries of dedicated thought towards the well-being of Our Nation, you cannot accurately criticize the actions of the government. The best and the brightest minds have actively been working to figure out what will keep this country going, not a bunch of stoners with limited information and insights. Stop listening to Alex Jones, the Ron and Rand Pauls, etc...they make money off of getting you to fear that which you do not understand. That is their bread and butter, and they have no accountability whatsoever for the damage they can do. There are people in government that put their lives on the line every damn day, and it's not just the military, not by a long shot. These are people with everything to lose and they do it because the believe in what they are doing, they make their sacrifices in the name of the greater good.

If you want to see a positive change take hold of this country, then act as if you are looking to attract positivity. Not hate and fear. Change the landscape so that people will want to invest their money here. Dont foment an environment of aggression that basically says to anyone with money "we fucking hate you and want to chew your fucking guts." Nothing is going to be perfect, believe me, I understand this better than anyone, but, we can make this country better. United we stand, divided we shall fall. Division and strife amongts ourselves is a signal to those that want to see America crumble that their efforts are working. It's time to start asking ourselves some tough questions: do we want to focus our energies on tearing down each other, or do we want to focus on strengthening our bond as Americans who have eachothers' backs through thick and thin? This applies to ALL walks of life, the rich, the middle-class, and the poor. We all have valuable lessons to learn, the question is are we going to learn the easy way, or the hard way? The choice is collectively ours.
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For someone who is basically saying" Stop hating each other" you sure do make it clear that you think people should hate Alex Jones and Dr. Paul and Senator Paul, because somehow those people are all making money by selling us survival gear, or some thing. Republicans are the same as democrats, your side isn't any different than the others, the majority are on the take. They don't care about you, or me.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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Serapis said:
I'm not being defensive, I just don't want you to bring conspiracies into this thread. If you have facts that are known to the media, please source them and let's discuss.... but i already know the 'facts' you want to lay out, as I've seen your conspiracy theory posts everywhere on the board.
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Wow dude...go on with your bad self. You have everything figured out. You are a man of great learning and intelligence, a relentless seeker of knowledge. I bow to your prowess of knowing everything. If you havent even taken the time to hear what I was going to say, how can you be so defensive? Fuckin relax. Goddamn.
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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PS. This is not Anti Americanism, I happen to love the American ideal, I just hate hearing Americans who will defend something to the death regardless of whether it is right or wrong just because it is American.

Oh and it is only Americans that constantly accuse others of being "anti" anything.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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NoDrama said:
For someone who is basically saying" Stop hating each other" you sure do make it clear that you think people should hate Alex Jones and Dr. Paul and Senator Paul, because somehow those people are all making money by selling us survival gear, or some thing. Republicans are the same as democrats, your side isn't any different than the others, the majority are on the take. They don't care about you, or me.
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I think that they do a disservice to informed public dissent. I find their viewpoints narrow. And my side is that of the American people. Not left, not right, not green, not fucking anything but American. I dont say to hate those men, I just think that people should try to find understanding from different perspectives...preferably not from ones just presented to them in a hate-wrapped package.

If you believe all the news about America's decline of power (and subsequently how it is affecting our life here), why dont you even try to entertain the notion that we actually need to have campaigns like that of Iraq, Libya, et all?
 
Serapis

Serapis

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You still don't get it...... let me lay it out for you please..... below is a timeline.... follow along...

Obama makes campaign pledge..... "I will remove troops within 16 months of becoming president"... Applause.....

Original UN Mandate allowing US Troops to remain on Iraqi soil is soon to expire.......

Iraqis hear of Obama's plan and cite it in negotiations to extend US presence with Bush Administration. Bush Administration accuses Obama of reckless foreign policy. Iraqi's still insist on deadline, so compromise is made, Dec 31, 2011. The extra time is cited as needed to remove all of our gear.

New Agreement signed......

Obama elected......

Now please tell me, what is he supposed to do? You keep saying he won't keep the promise, please explain how he can in lieu of that internationally recognized document extending our stay? as for the recession, I'd say we cam a hell of a long way since 2008.... stock market has fully recovered losses, banks are paid back on TARP funds, their stocks we hold are selling off at a profit, new jobs are being created, we have avoided wide spread infaltion, yada yada yada.... why not take a long look at the last two years and notice the good things? All I keep hearing is a bunch of bitching and nothing to substantiate it. Why would Iraq be the top priority? It's relatively peaceful and we have an out date. The economy was number one.... remember the first bill signed?

MrDank007 said:
Whether it is making a promise you can't or won't deliver on, he ran his campaign hard on it and has been double talking the withdrawl date backwards ever since. Sooner or later, he is not going be able to blame the previous administration anymore. It's going to be what did you do to get us out of Iraq and the recession. Those should have been the top 2 priorities and they were not.
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NoDrama

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MrDank007 said:
Whether it is making a promise you can't or won't deliver on, he ran his campaign hard on it and has been double talking the withdrawl date backwards ever since. Sooner or later, he is not going be able to blame the previous administration anymore. It's going to be what did you do to get us out of Iraq and the recession. Those should have been the top 2 priorities and they were not.
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Delay Delay Delay, dazzle people with a fantastic episode of dancing with the stars or Teenage mom and they forget all about those promises he made.
 
Boonierat

Boonierat

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newworldicon said:
PS. This is not Anti Americanism, I happen to love the American ideal, I just hate hearing Americans who will defend something to the death regardless of whether it is right or wrong just because it is American.

Oh and it is only Americans that constantly accuse others of being "anti" anything.
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I think you are pretty much anti-imperialism.....and I agree with ya. I think that's something everyone here could agree with.
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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Boonierat said:
I think you are pretty much anti-imperialism.....and I agree with ya. I think that's something everyone here could agree with.
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An American anti-imperialist is a generationally-suicidal maniac. Understand that America is much more than just "our country," it is absolutely imperative for us to be as active and powerful on the world front. We depend on its benefits every damn day of our lives, not to mention the scores of other countries around the world. We cant simply just become a shrinking violet on the world front, not unless you want to have your kids working as servants in Arabic, Russian, or Mandarin speaking households.

I am all for the imperialism because I recognize and appreciate its benefits. Selfish? Well, then be a better person than me and start your own utopian country where you can live in your personal paradise.
 
mame

mame

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Mame...can I ask you personally, is the NWO and all the shit it stands for a load of nonsense, is it crap that conspiracy theorists invent to occupy their days with, is it nonsense that your capitals halls are diseased by these people, I ask you where you stand with this?

No disrespect but if you cannot acknowledge their existence and the crucial role they play in Obama, your foreign policies, your domestic policies then I feel I cannot have a discussion with you.
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Honestly, I'm really not sure. I've seen and heard bits and peices but have never done any serious research on the NWO. When you look at U.S. foreign policy it seems plausible but again, IDK.

edit: in fact, I'll poke around a bit and get back to you. One of the most things to me, although anecdotal, has always been when I meet people from outside the U.S. they almost always reference imperialism as America's biggest evil in their eyes.
 
Boonierat

Boonierat

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There's a difference between being active in the world (trade, foreign aid during a crisis, etc.), and conquering a country and setting up a puppet government. I've never said anything along the lines of wanting to live in a "utopian" "personal paradise."

I love how generalizations get thrown around here, and words get put into peoples mouths.
 
GottaHaveIt

GottaHaveIt

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Serapis said:
you guys won;t address the fact that Mitt Romney did it in his state and it was hailed as a true model for health care reform. But when Obama does it on a national level, everyone in the GOP wants to crucify him. Why is it good for Mass but not the rest of the country? Why did Mitt get accolades and Obama get shit? Someone please explain it to me?
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Amendment 10 - Powers of the States and People

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

Proposed: 9/25/1789


Ratified: 12/15/1791

This little thing is why

People keep ignoring this issue. If you didn't want to buy Mitt Romney's insurance plan, you could move somewhere else...

And what about TENN-Care?
 
The Ruiner

The Ruiner

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Boonierat said:
There's a difference between being active in the world (trade, foreign aid during a crisis, etc.), and conquering a country and setting up a puppet government. I've never said anything along the lines of wanting to live in a "utopian" "personal paradise."

I love how generalizations get thrown around here, and words get put into peoples mouths.
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I am trying to illustrate the point that THERE IS NO OTHER CHOICE. Furthermore, we have no idea what the future landscape of these countries will be like. Take the good with the bad, I mean in reality WE all have done that already.
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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The Ruiner said:
An American anti-imperialist is a generationally-suicidal maniac. Understand that America is much more than just "our country," it is absolutely imperative for us to be as active and powerful on the world front. We depend on its benefits every damn day of our lives, not to mention the scores of other countries around the world. We cant simply just become a shrinking violet on the world front, not unless you want to have your kids working as servants in Arabic, Russian, or Mandarin speaking households.

I am all for the imperialism because I recognize and appreciate its benefits. Selfish? Well, then be a better person than me and start your own utopian country where you can live in your personal paradise.
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Whilst I disagree with the principle here....what is said is unfortunately truth and reality. If not you then someone else will. I'll still try to fight you for that equality though. ;-)
 
newworldicon

newworldicon

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mame said:
Honestly, I'm really not sure. I've seen and heard bits and peices but have never done any serious research on the NWO. When you look at U.S. foreign policy it seems plausible but again, IDK.
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Well my friend, I would never tell anyone what to do but I urge you for your own sake to investigate this then. It will soon surprise you then enrage you.
 
Serapis

Serapis

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That is EXACTLY what you did to me... lol....

We don't set up puppet governments.... try following Iraqi politics a bit closer.... that parliament is anything but lovey dovey with the US of A.

Boonierat said:
There's a difference between being active in the world (trade, foreign aid during a crisis, etc.), and conquering a country and setting up a puppet government. I've never said anything along the lines of wanting to live in a "utopian" "personal paradise."

I love how generalizations get thrown around here, and words get put into peoples mouths.
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