The Obama plan vs. the Ryan plan

UncleBuck

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Take a dollar out of your right pocket and place it into your left pocket. Do you have any more money? Government skims a little off the top though to facilitate the changing of pockets.
you make this point a lot...and while it may be true that 'government skims a little off the top', it is undeniably true that the private sector would skim more. why? return to shareholders, profit motive, etc.

so who do you want in charge of things like ss, medicare, medicaid, and other programs? the people who will skim enough off the top to keep the show running, or the people who will skim enough off the top to keep the show running AND pay a hefty bonus to some slicked-back hair dickwad?

my apologies to slicked-back hair people everywhere. i understand that your hairstyle often draws negative connotations which i am contributing to.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/nations-slickedbackhair-men-rally-against-negative,2449/

LOS ANGELES—Thousands of members of the slicked-back-hair community gathered in Hollywood Monday to protest the film industry's longtime trend of depicting men with slicked-back hair as untrustworthy, unlikeable antagonists.

"There have been 4,192 films in the past 10 years in which male characters with sleek or slicked-back hairstyles have been portrayed in a negative light," said Ray Swartz, chairman of the National Organization of Men with Slicked-Back Hair. "Even though men with this hairstyle comprise just 3 percent of the U.S. populace, they make up nearly 80 percent of all film and TV villains, bad guys, and just plain assholes. As a result, thousands of men who enjoy wetting their hair and then combing it straight back face a silent but pervasive form of discrimination every single day."

"I'm just a man with slicked-back hair," Swartz added. "Does that make me a sleazeball?"

According to statistics released by the organization, five out of every six characters with slicked-back hair are cast as the primary antagonist. Of this group, 29 percent are depicted as greedy and manipulative Wall Street sharks, 22 percent as cold, emotionless murderers, 19 percent as evil coaches or mentors, 12 percent as corrupt mafiosi, 8 percent as undead creatures who feast on human blood, and the remaining 10 percent fall into the general category of jerks/pricks/John Travolta.

More alarming, Swartz said, is that certain subsets of slicked-back-hair Americans endure even worse prejudices. He cited men with slicked-back hair who also talk with cigarettes dangling out of their mouths, wear blue button-down shirts with white collars, or place toothpicks behind their right ears as the most victimized.

"Just because I have heavily gelled, jet-black, slicked-back hair does not mean I can't lead a normal, productive life," Kettering, OH native Martin Sutulovich said. "I'm not consumed by an insatiable thirst for power, I know nothing about the high-pressure world of real-estate speculation, and I have a wife and kids whom I love very much. The last thing I want to do is murder them, cut them up into tiny pieces, bag them up, and put them out with the trash, but when strangers look at me, that's all they think."

A recent study conducted by Swartz's group indicates that Americans who slick back their hair usually experience typical development, have life spans equal to those without slicked-back hair, and are no more likely to stoically torture people with medical instruments than the average dry-haired citizen.

"You always see crooked lawyers and politicians with slicked-back hair in the movies, but when was the last time you saw a computer programmer with slicked-back hair, a farmer who built a magical baseball field in a cornfield with slicked-back hair, or a man who defused a bomb at the last possible second to save thousands of innocent lives with slicked-back hair?" Swartz said. "Never."

"The closest thing we've ever gotten to a hero is Steven Seagal or that Spanish neighbor guy on Sanford And Son," he added. "And Seagal's hair is pulled back into a ponytail, so he doesn't even really count."

Swartz also pointed out that even females who appear in films with slicked-back hair often end up transforming into aliens who have sex with people and then kill them.

"I have naturally oily hair. If I leave it dry, it ends up messy by the end of the day, so I slick it back," Doug Roessner of Brockton, MA said. "I sell insurance for a living, so how am I supposed to get my clients to trust me when they all think I'm some money-hungry scumbag? And every time I tell my bosses that I'll 'take care of' a problem, they immediately assume I mean murdering someone. It's pathetic."

"My son hasn't been the same around me since he watched D2: The Mighty Ducks last month," said slicked-back-hair man Mick Romanini, referencing the film in which coach Gordon Bombay slicks back his hair when consumed by fame, then wears it dry again upon realizing the error of his ways. "Is this what we want to teach our children about slicked-back hair?"

Added Romanini, "He should be able to do whatever he wants with his hair when he gets older and not worry that people are going to assume he's the kind of guy who would plot his best friend's death and then seduce the widow to get his hands on the insurance money."

In interviews, studio executives have countered the protests by citing a number of realistic and sympathetic characters with slicked-back hair, including James Bond, Superman, and Data from Star Trek.

But Swartz rejects such claims. After closer examination, he said, Bond's hair is slicked "more to the side than back," Data is not a human being, and Superman has a distinct curl of hair that falls on his forehead, which his group considers a different hairstyle altogether.

Hollywood is facing similar protests from groups such as the National Association of Maniacal Laughers, the American Mustache-Twirlers Coalition, and the Alliance of Gentlemen with Scars and Eye Patches.
 

NoDrama

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This just simply is not always true:
source
So basically, your statement depends entirely on what kind of government spending is taking place. Most government spending, like medicare, WIC, and other programs directly targeting the lowest income groups consistently post multiplers above $1 - meaning that they do, in fact, boost the economy and create wealth.

And here is a study that shows just this(.pdf):
"episodes" refers to economic downturn. The study shows some government spending at $.80 (which is essentially where your point is valid) but it also shows government spending from 1.2-1.5+(which proves that government can grow the economy).
This is a quote I took out of your source material that you linked....
A new study by Harvard professor Dr. Robert Barro and Charles Redlick tests this claim and the economic theory that underlies it by using defense spending as a proxy for overall government spending.2 Their research finds that greater government spending does not aid the economy; in fact, it causes decreased consumption and investment.

so who do you want in charge of things like ss, medicare, medicaid
I don't want anyone to run those programs. I do not want those programs. I do not need those programs.
 

mame

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Ironically conservative states overall actually get a bigger return than what they pay on taxes while liberal states get less. And yet conservatives are the one's who complain about getting "robbed". Just shows the depth of their ignorance.

It's hilarious to hear idiots like Sarah Palin talking about the government stealing their money when Alaska gets $1.82 for every $1 they pay in taxes. Don't like being robbed of your tax dollars? Then how about these conservative states give back all the money being spent on them. In Cali we only get $0.78 back per dollar spent, do you hear us complaining? No.

The states getting the best returns are all red states.
do you know where this data can be found? I'm interested in checking it out... I've been looking and after a few different keywords I failed to find any state by state listings.
 

NoDrama

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try running for president on that platform :)

edit: i hope you got a chuckle or two out of the article
I have no presidential aspirations.
Anything the onion does is pretty good satire. I especially liked the general pricks/jerks/John Travolta category
 

Omgwtfbbq Indicaman

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I see the tea party vision of america to be a caste system like the one india had/has where the poor are born to be poor and have little to no help in raising up in the latter, where the rich benefit at the expense of the poor, instead of the other way around. gut schooling, gut medicare, gut planned parenthood, they say they are pro life and for the poeple, yet after election they havent proposed any bills to help with job production, just trying to pass all their ideological agendas. good thing im independent. both of our major choices crush third party electives and we are stuck with a 2 headed troll, where one is an empath and the other is a sociopath.
 

Serapis

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as happens in events before our time, tyranny will arise if the oppressed are pushed to a breaking point. Start shutting down schools, laying off teachers and police and Fire units, close nursing homes and wheel the occupants into the streets.... remove funding for WIC and food assistance, and at the very same time, in the same breath; they shout out "Aye!" as they give 2.9 trillion dollars of US revenue BACK to the WEALTHIEST Individuals

Bravo....

Not on Obama's watch they wont.......
 

JoSixChip

Member
I see the tea party vision of america to be a caste system like the one india had/has where the poor are born to be poor and have little to no help in raising up in the latter, where the rich benefit at the expense of the poor, instead of the other way around. gut schooling, gut medicare, gut planned parenthood, they say they are pro life and for the poeple, yet after election they havent proposed any bills to help with job production, just trying to pass all their ideological agendas. good thing im independent. both of our major choices crush third party electives and we are stuck with a 2 headed troll, where one is an empath and the other is a sociopath.
So the TEA Party platform is for a caste system? You mean like one were there is one medical system for the ruling class and an inferior one for the peons that pay the bills? Or one in which all of us lessor citizens are forced to participate in a ponzi scheme retirement plan while the ruling class gets a basically free golden retirement plan? Or where the ruling class confiscates the rewards of hard working citizens and trickles it down to the poor to buy votes for the ruling class? Or perhaps you mean the system the ruling class has setup that punishes success and hard work and rewards failure and bad decisions. Or that they fight tooth and nail for a system where all citizens are equal, as long as some citizens are more equal then others. Wait, what party were we talking about?
 

redivider

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yeah California, by itself the one of the world's largest economies, doesn't seem to need federal dollars... makes sense...

and for the one guy searching for federal tax info at 11pm on a friday night.... nvmind...
 

mame

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yeah California, by itself the one of the world's largest economies, doesn't seem to need federal dollars... makes sense...

and for the one guy searching for federal tax info at 11pm on a friday night.... nvmind...
LOL my lady works late and i work in the morning so im staying home. :(
 
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