Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Samwell Seed Well

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heres a update of my organics they are in the front, with the canna coco line in back, the four on the outside in the front are fueled with theseDSCN2437.jpg

I know this isnt vegan organic, lol, maybe i should remove my post, but the organics im using are doing way better then my coco and canna plants so im pretty happy
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
No worries. I hear good things about the BioBizz line. It used to be partnered with General Organics. What else are you using?
 

Samwell Seed Well

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Some, well most of the Primordial line which is a fert and a salt mitigater(sea green) or decomposer can remember exactly how it works , and a root stabilizer and then a bloom additive and the other products im using or humagic from hendrix and ecklonia kelp and Sugar peaks veg formula, i know this seem like a lot of products for organic grow, but im running 3 different solutions with a different mix but i assure you my PPMS are low on all mix's except the bio bizz line and seem to be liking the ferts a lot

here are some links, i think some of these might not meet the organic specification like the nitrozeme i spray twice a week . . . . . .IDK, but i think you will be impressed with the Primordial solutions line

http://www.hendrikusorganics.com/soilamendments.php

http://www.beneficialbiologics.com/

http://www.4hydro.com/nutrients/eckloniaKelpStim.asp

http://www.biobizz.nl/
 

SketchyGrower

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Any thoughts on these products?
Cutting edge sugaree (omri listed)
Tropical organics banana mana( not sure on it's certifications)

I get what your brewing with the extracts :) I'm more a joint smoker.... Not that I don't enjoy a good extraction from time to time. I think if I could roll a hash joint properly I'd have more interest in hash making..haha.I'm only on like page 40 something so far. Hope to find some interesting stuff hidden within.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Any thoughts on these products?
Cutting edge sugaree (omri listed)
Tropical organics banana mana( not sure on it's certifications)

I get what your brewing with the extracts :) I'm more a joint smoker.... Not that I don't enjoy a good extraction from time to time. I think if I could roll a hash joint properly I'd have more interest in hash making..haha.I'm only on like page 40 something so far. Hope to find some interesting stuff hidden within.
Cutting Edge is a local company for me, they are garbage in imo. Bannana manna in not organic, its a strange product that I would not use. Ganja plants have their own natural smells, and they don't need help producing terpenes.
 

SketchyGrower

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Get, no... make yes... And it's not that I don't enjoy hash, just like the art of rolling... Lol. if I could roll those hash joint/papers I see on YouTube... Just can never get it all to stay together with out cracking as I start rolling it.
 

SketchyGrower

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Cutting Edge is a local company for me, they are garbage in imo. Bannana manna in not organic, its a strange product that I would not use. Ganja plants have their own natural smells, and they don't need help producing terpenes.
thanks for the info Matt! I just got the cutting edge and banana from a friend that passed away and his wife let me have the remains of his nutrients these were among the left overs... Probably just store them with my (not in use product shelf) keep up the awesome thread Matt.
 

'ome Grown

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I'm sorry if this has been posted before in the 140 pages of this thread. I have searched for an answer here and through Google and I have found conflicting answers - which to me means it really comes down to morals.

Are earth worm castings a part of vegan organics? Does Kyle Kushman consider them a part of vegan organics.

Personally as a vegan I do not have an issue with using worm castings. However, I wouldn't use worm castings that I knew were made from animal products (i.e. waste products from farms and slaughterhouses, i.e. manure and blood & bone).

What do you guys think?

Cheers
 

upthearsenal

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I'm sorry if this has been posted before in the 140 pages of this thread. I have searched for an answer here and through Google and I have found conflicting answers - which to me means it really comes down to morals.

Are earth worm castings a part of vegan organics? Does Kyle Kushman consider them a part of vegan organics.

Personally as a vegan I do not have an issue with using worm castings. However, I wouldn't use worm castings that I knew were made from animal products (i.e. waste products from farms and slaughterhouses, i.e. manure and blood & bone).

What do you guys think?

Cheers
I think if you are cultivating your own you have nothing to worry about. I don't deal with bagged castings but I have in the past and they were okay. It was a local company that printed the contents that were fed to the worms, don't know if that's the standard but for any bagged castings I'd do some research before using them if it bothers you.
 

ataxia

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I'm sorry if this has been posted before in the 140 pages of this thread. I have searched for an answer here and through Google and I have found conflicting answers - which to me means it really comes down to morals.

Are earth worm castings a part of vegan organics? Does Kyle Kushman consider them a part of vegan organics.

Personally as a vegan I do not have an issue with using worm castings. However, I wouldn't use worm castings that I knew were made from animal products (i.e. waste products from farms and slaughterhouses, i.e. manure and blood & bone).

What do you guys think?

Cheers
Matt would know the answer better than me, but, from what i've read and watched.. he claimed (if i'm not mistaken) that castings are part of veganics. Kushman that is...
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Matt would know the answer better than me, but, from what i've read and watched.. he claimed (if i'm not mistaken) that castings are part of veganics. Kushman that is...
I'm not sure where Kushman stands on earth worm castings. I'm totally down with them if they were fed an all vegetable diet (the good castings are). My potting mix right now is about 10 to 15% EWC. Its the good poop lol, because its not poop at all. Worms don't have stomachs, let alone 8 stomachs like a cow. Its really up to personal choice.
 

ataxia

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was trying to post the video of the interview with Jorge and KK ... according to Kushman he claims (in the interview) "the only thing that qualifies as veganics <as far as animal products> are worm castings that have to be sourced" ...in any case ...just wanted to clarify the ? from 'ome grown.
unfortunately i'm not using organics or veganics at the moment but i'm doing my home work.
i was loving your thread on soiless organics matt until dude fucked up that whole party.
 

Perish21

Member
Thanks for all the good info so far but i had a couple questions of my own. I've been using flora nova, flora nectar, floralicious plus, dynagro protek, and botainicare cal mag. I was wondering what you thought of using this microbe tea mixture every other feeding. I was thinking of using earth worm castings as well but i wanted to hear some suggestions.
4tbs-Earth juice hi-brix molasses
1tbs-general organics bio weed
1tbs-Mykos
2tbs-ful power fulvic acid
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Thanks for all the good info so far but i had a couple questions of my own. I've been using flora nova, flora nectar, floralicious plus, dynagro protek, and botainicare cal mag. I was wondering what you thought of using this microbe tea mixture every other feeding. I was thinking of using earth worm castings as well but i wanted to hear some suggestions.
4tbs-Earth juice hi-brix molasses
1tbs-general organics bio weed
1tbs-Mykos
2tbs-ful power fulvic acid
That recipe is too high in molasses (assuming that is per gallon).
Earthworm castings are my jam. About 10% of my potting mix is EWC.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
was trying to post the video of the interview with Jorge and KK ... according to Kushman he claims (in the interview) "the only thing that qualifies as veganics <as far as animal products> are worm castings that have to be sourced" ...in any case ...just wanted to clarify the ? from 'ome grown.
unfortunately i'm not using organics or veganics at the moment but i'm doing my home work.
i was loving your thread on soiless organics matt until dude fucked up that whole party.
haha, thank, haters gonna hate right. I havnt checked that thread out for a long time.
What Kushman claims is straight from me. Just sayin'
 

Perish21

Member
That recipe is too high in molasses (assuming that is per gallon).
Earthworm castings are my jam. About 10% of my potting mix is EWC.
Yes it is per gallon and thanks for the feedback but what would you suggest? If it's to high in molasses should i cut it down to 2 tbs?
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Yes it is per gallon and thanks for the feedback but what would you suggest? If it's to high in molasses should i cut it down to 2 tbs?
What is Compost Tea? by Tim Wilson of http://www.microbeorganics.com

Very simply stated Compost Tea is a water-based environment wherein beneficial microorganisms are extracted from compost or vermicompost (worm compost) and multiplied by the millions and billions. Some form of agitation breaks the microbes free from the compost and they multiply because food, like black strap molasses, fish hydrolysate, kelp meal, humic acid, etc. has been added to the water, which at least one type of microbe digests. When one or more type of microbe begins to multiply in response to the food, other microbes respond to this growth and begin to consume these initial microbes and multiply in turn and so on and so on. For example the initial microbes are usually bacteria which are food for protozoa so the protozoa multiply in response to the bacteria. The end result is a functional feeding cycle or microbial nutrient cycle. I refer to this as a functional microbial consortia. This develops over a period of 12 to 72 hours or more and is then applied to the soil and plants. In the soil there are a number of organisms which function in basically the same nutrient cycle and zone. Once again, simply stated, there are substances released from the roots of plants which feed bacteria (& archaea), again the bacteria/archaea become prey to the protozoa and the protozoa excrete substances which are available to the roots as nutrients (e.g. nitrogen) thus creating a feeding cycle. Other compost/soil microorganisms of great importance are fungi. Fungal hyphae, are long branching strands which grow through the soil and serve to; bind soil aggregates together, help retain moisture, store certain nutrients, provide a source of food to certain other microbes, provide pathways for nutrient and moisture delivery, decompose organic material and displace disease causing fungi. There are also other types of fungi which do not grow (to my knowledge) in compost or Compost Tea which form a direct symbiotic nutrient exchange relationship with roots. This sort of fungi is called mycorrhizal fungi and there are many different species. The major microorganisms at work in Compost Tea are bacteria, protozoa (flagellates, ciliates and amoebae) and fungal hyphae if present in your compost. It is best to have a wide diversity of each of these microbes present. There are higher order organisms like nematodes found in compost and soil and occasionally these are extracted into Compost Tea but they do not grow nor multiply in the tea. Of course in the soil there are many other contributors to the nutrient cycle, like insects, earthworms and other animals. In its totality this is often referred to as the soil food web.
He continues:
All life is in a symbiotic nutrient cycle even down to the microorganisms contained in our gut that assist us to digest certain foods. Life, consumption, excrement, death, decomposition, life. You are what you eat and the same applies to plants.

It has been discovered that aerated Compost Tea helps to ensure the multiplication of mostly aerobic microbes which are more desirable in this application. Plus the aeration provides the agitation necessary to dislodge the microbes from the compost. Therefore most Compost Tea machines or brewers, as they are commonly known, involve the introduction of air into the water and compost.

Many Compost Tea users and producers have begun examining their brews with microscopes to see the microbes present. This ensures that they have the desired microbes in the right numbers and diversity prior to applying the tea to soil and plants. I am fairly hopeful if not certain that in the future when someone purchases a Compost Tea brewer that the kit will include a microscope. It is the identification of what is going on in this tiny universe where I find my calling.
There is much more, but here is the end:
Using Compost Tea

The use of compost tea (CT) is one of the best ways to inoculate your soil with the beneficial microbes you wish to have for optimum health of your plants. It is also good if your supply of compost or vermicompost is limited, as it multiplies those microbes, we have been discussing, by the millions. Remember the protozoa I mentioned earlier? Well you can brew an aerated compost tea specifically to have a large population of protozoa, usually mostly flagellates. If you have a good quality compost or vermicompost, protozoa will already be present, often in a resting cyst. If you have an efficient aerated brewer you can pretty much count on having a high flagellate (protozoa) population combined with bacteria/archaea and fungal hyphae (not mycorrhizal) at 36 to 44 hours brew time (65 to 72 degrees F). If you have a microscope you can examine the CT periodically to be sure that the microbial population is optimum. The use of aerated compost tea also provides the opportunity to manipulate microbial populations for specific purposes by using various recipes and brew times. You may wish to have high bacterial or fungal numbers for pathogen/disease control or have soil or plants that require a higher population of a microbial type. I have a lot to learn yet of fungal species which can grow in compost tea so until I have learned to identify the species occurring I&#8217;m cautious about some of the tricks employed to stimulate fungal hyphae growth in compost. Better to count on good quality compost and vermicompost with natural occurring quantities and species of fungi and use known mycorrhizal and mushroom spores in the soil.

TEA RECIPE from Tim Wilson of www.microbeorganics.com

1 gallon = 16 cups = 256 tablespoons

2.38% by volume compost or vermicompost (EWC) per gallon = .38 cups or around half a cup max or about 2 cups in 5 gallons max.

0.5 to 0.75% molasses by volume per gallon = 1.28 to 1.92 tablespoons per gallon. 0.75% is the maximum I use. It is a good bacterial and fungal food.

0.063% fish hydrolysate by volume per gallon = 0.16 tablespoon = 0.479 teaspoons or half a teaspoon

0.25% (max) kelpmeal by volume per gallon = 0.64 tablespoon or half a tablespoon
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
The above information is from a well known organic guru. He uses a slightly different recipe than you, but you can see the amount of molasses is 1 to 2 tablespoons per gallon.

He uses compost instead of packed inoculants, I suggest you do the same, or at least use some compost in addition to the mykos.
 

Perish21

Member
Well this would be my first attempt at making the tea i posted above. Just getting into the whole world of tea making so that's why i'm trying to start off fairly simple. I have access to some organic earth worm castings so that's what i'll use in conjunction with the mykos.
 
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