CollieMan1
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Matt..what bulb spectrums (mh/hps) do you use in flowering and at what points do you transition your light spectrum?
Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize
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Wolverine97
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Also probably too much fulvic, depending on what you're using as your source.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Yo big up di CollieMan1! One love idren.
I use a 400 and 600 MH to veg, then switch to two 600 MHs and a 600 HPS at 12/12. Then 2 HPS and 1 MH two weeks later. All HPS by 4-6 weeks into flower depending on the length of the cycle.
Sunbiz1
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I agree, learned the hard way on molasses last Summer on an in-ground. Although I was not using all of the components you are, I overdosed 2 plants with straight molasses tea which caused a N lockout. I lost about 40% of the fan leaves back in August before I could correct it. The threshold I found to be is about 1/4 cup per gal. Now I use your posted amount and only every other watering.
CollieMan1
Member
thanks bro!! this thread is killer too... SO much real information. im on my 4th vegan organic run now and id have to say its the only way to grow. my friends are starting to wonder why i wont smoke their buds any more....then they come over and dab my bubba and chem91 full melt and know why! you have no idea how dank and clean your information has made my buds!
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Give thanks! Thats what I'm talking about. We here on this thread have created the newest breed of stoners. THE VEGAN SNOBS!
CollieMan1
Member
I think every stoner would be a vegan snob if they were smoking what we are smoking!
CollieMan1
Member
Ha I see you quoted me over on grasscity. Those guys don't seem to get it do they?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
LOL, yeah, haters gonna hate. Thats why I don't even try to post anything relevant over there. Big ups!
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
So can I be considered a snob even though I'm not 100% veganic?? I am currently using roots organic soil with canna nute line. Have been seeing amazing results but still can't get that taste like I had with bioterra plus. Any news on when they should be back in stock?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
From what I can tell, its not coming back. I finally ran out from that palette I ordered. Do you mean Biocanna or Canna?
I've finally made the decision to give veganics a try and started ordering the needed supplies a little at a time seeing I'm in the middle of one grow and and getting ready to start another where I wont be able to convert yet so I'm going to take my time and stock up on everything first.
I have been reading about veganics here and there since it was featured in high times, when I read that I had just started growing using techniflora's RFS. So I understand the concept, but as far as me being able to properly source everything plant based on my own would be kinda tough, and as informative as that article was, I aint gonna lie...it was hard to understand, it seemed like they intentionally made it hard to understand, bio-films and all that shit, LOL...however the pics of kushmans buds made it a little easier to try and understand.
With the recent death of 2 people close to me under 50 from cancer this past week a day apart, it only makes sense to pay the extra $ to have the cleanest burning, best tasting smoke possible to me. One of those people that died I had worked with for 4-5 years and was pretty good friends with, I had started giving edibles to him from my first grow which I ran out of over a month ago, I only was able to hook him up twice before I ran out. He was not a "weed" person to begin with but it sucks he died waiting for my next batch. I gave the guy a half a sheet of super potent brownies (42 grams of mids from my first grow went into 2 boxes of brownies), the whole time I'm handing him the tray he was trying to tell me he wouldnt eat them and he doesnt like pot and all that shit...LOL A week later the dude was hooked on edibles, calling me like a crack fiend, but the best part is the dude was hungry and wanted to eat, that was a good feeling, at least I could give him that. The thing that scares me is I am living my life basically the same way this dude lived his but I'm 15 years younger....so I think its time I changed some things....starting with veganics is the start for me, the rest is going to take some work, LOL.... But in respect to those 2 people, I wish I had more bud on hand, veganic or not, who knows how much more it could have helped them, its sad how much of a wonder drug weed is, its a shame how the government makes us out to be criminals. However, I'll take that stamp in exchange for making others feel better, no problem.
But aside from the announcement of trying it and the above ramble, my biggest problem is medium. So I decided to go with just straight coir and some rice hulls if I can find them, EWC's are a fairy tail in my area and I dont have the room where I live to make my own as I live in a city-ish area and I'm not going to save compost in my apartment or have a worm farm in my apartment (it stinks no?)....so I want to use basically just coco and the rice hulls, perlite if I cant get those but very little. But will that work ok with the canna bio and the rest of the stuff needed?
Which leads me into my next Q?
Is my list alright?
Canna bio line
cannazyme (do I need this as well as the other 2 zymes?)
hygrozyme (already have the pleasure of having my pockets fleeced for this)
Gen organics camg+ (already using this)
Techniflora's soluble seaweed (we got dat)
Techniflora thrive alive green
humbolt bloom
humbolt mayan microzyme
Is there anything else I should be getting? Also, when do you incorporate the thrive alive, veg or bloom? or both? I used to use the TA red, but since have started using liquid karma, however I think once this bottle is empty, I'll move on to something different, if the TA green replaces the liquid karma I'll switch over to that.
As far as myco's, I picked up some humbolt myco madness or myco maximum, I cant remember which one I purchased recently as I've only used it on my last transplant which was awhile ago. I was wondering what kind of recommendations you guys have as far as that. I'm a new grower running botanicare pure blend pro as far as nutes, at the moment I use quantum1 for humic acid once a week (I stopped this past week, week 6-7 of bloom) kanga-roots and microbe brew from bushmaster, aka fox farms for added microbial life on top of the myco max at transplant. I was figuring theres definitely something better out there and you all would know what. I know its a loosing battle adding those to my chem nutes but I figure adding microbial life and enzymes has to be better than not adding it, no? But I was looking to make the jump to being 100% organic and decided veganics may be one step better..... either way.. I want to taste some veganic bud and the only way thats going to happen is by me growing it.
Anyhow, I appreciate letting me ramble as well as thank you for any input.
I have been reading about veganics here and there since it was featured in high times, when I read that I had just started growing using techniflora's RFS. So I understand the concept, but as far as me being able to properly source everything plant based on my own would be kinda tough, and as informative as that article was, I aint gonna lie...it was hard to understand, it seemed like they intentionally made it hard to understand, bio-films and all that shit, LOL...however the pics of kushmans buds made it a little easier to try and understand.
With the recent death of 2 people close to me under 50 from cancer this past week a day apart, it only makes sense to pay the extra $ to have the cleanest burning, best tasting smoke possible to me. One of those people that died I had worked with for 4-5 years and was pretty good friends with, I had started giving edibles to him from my first grow which I ran out of over a month ago, I only was able to hook him up twice before I ran out. He was not a "weed" person to begin with but it sucks he died waiting for my next batch. I gave the guy a half a sheet of super potent brownies (42 grams of mids from my first grow went into 2 boxes of brownies), the whole time I'm handing him the tray he was trying to tell me he wouldnt eat them and he doesnt like pot and all that shit...LOL A week later the dude was hooked on edibles, calling me like a crack fiend, but the best part is the dude was hungry and wanted to eat, that was a good feeling, at least I could give him that. The thing that scares me is I am living my life basically the same way this dude lived his but I'm 15 years younger....so I think its time I changed some things....starting with veganics is the start for me, the rest is going to take some work, LOL.... But in respect to those 2 people, I wish I had more bud on hand, veganic or not, who knows how much more it could have helped them, its sad how much of a wonder drug weed is, its a shame how the government makes us out to be criminals. However, I'll take that stamp in exchange for making others feel better, no problem.
But aside from the announcement of trying it and the above ramble, my biggest problem is medium. So I decided to go with just straight coir and some rice hulls if I can find them, EWC's are a fairy tail in my area and I dont have the room where I live to make my own as I live in a city-ish area and I'm not going to save compost in my apartment or have a worm farm in my apartment (it stinks no?)....so I want to use basically just coco and the rice hulls, perlite if I cant get those but very little. But will that work ok with the canna bio and the rest of the stuff needed?
Which leads me into my next Q?
Is my list alright?
Canna bio line
cannazyme (do I need this as well as the other 2 zymes?)
hygrozyme (already have the pleasure of having my pockets fleeced for this)
Gen organics camg+ (already using this)
Techniflora's soluble seaweed (we got dat)
Techniflora thrive alive green
humbolt bloom
humbolt mayan microzyme
Is there anything else I should be getting? Also, when do you incorporate the thrive alive, veg or bloom? or both? I used to use the TA red, but since have started using liquid karma, however I think once this bottle is empty, I'll move on to something different, if the TA green replaces the liquid karma I'll switch over to that.
As far as myco's, I picked up some humbolt myco madness or myco maximum, I cant remember which one I purchased recently as I've only used it on my last transplant which was awhile ago. I was wondering what kind of recommendations you guys have as far as that. I'm a new grower running botanicare pure blend pro as far as nutes, at the moment I use quantum1 for humic acid once a week (I stopped this past week, week 6-7 of bloom) kanga-roots and microbe brew from bushmaster, aka fox farms for added microbial life on top of the myco max at transplant. I was figuring theres definitely something better out there and you all would know what. I know its a loosing battle adding those to my chem nutes but I figure adding microbial life and enzymes has to be better than not adding it, no? But I was looking to make the jump to being 100% organic and decided veganics may be one step better..... either way.. I want to taste some veganic bud and the only way thats going to happen is by me growing it.
Anyhow, I appreciate letting me ramble as well as thank you for any input.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
I'm going to take this one part at a time. Thanks for posting and welcome to RIU.
You sound like you got it all ready. I highly advise using humic and fulvic from BioAg, its quality. Another tip is mixing some neem cake into your potting soil. I get that at www.neemresource.com Don't forget the neem oil while you are at it.
Yeah, I that was not my article. My sister Ava Rize wrote that with Kushman, but much of that article, ie Bio-Film, is concepts that I recently introduced Kushman to. If you would like explanations I can do that no worries.
Yeah, cancer is a bitch. Its taken most of my family already. I was introduced to cannabis when my grandfather was going thru chemo.
I highly suggest not going with coco. A peat based, or better peat and coco based, organic potting mix is really what works best for bottle organics. Perlite is okay, I use it to make my mix lighter. The earth worm castings seem to really help me with micronutrient issues and can be replaced with compost. I've been mixing dolomite lime and some plant meals into my soil to pick up the slack in the biocanna line.
Looks all good to me. I also use a silica supplement called Pro-TeKt from Dyna Gro. I stopped using cannazym, they changed the formula and it has chem phosphates in it now. Liquid Karma won't hurt, good stuff. I use inoculants from www.BioAg.com
You sound like you got it all ready. I highly advise using humic and fulvic from BioAg, its quality. Another tip is mixing some neem cake into your potting soil. I get that at www.neemresource.com Don't forget the neem oil while you are at it.
I'm sure the fellers will have some other input for you. rizeup!
Bird Gymnastics
New Member
Ha ha a little high
Biocanna is what I meant to say. Right now I am just running bio vega, bio Flores, bio boost. GO cal/mag, Mayan micro, hygrozyme, b52, Fulpower humic and technaflora kelp. Anything else that you would recommend or stir me away from please do so. Ha ha it has been working well but damn I wish I had sme more biocanna Bioterra plus! If you are interested in sharing the wealth, I am game to pay you close to double for it 
I know how good that stuff really works because of you
'ome Grown
Well-Known Member
Are there any vegan growers/smokers out there? Seems that people are really finding out that by making your plant vegan they are healthier and make better product in many ways. Yet even those that are veganic growers still feed themselves nutrients that are not in the healthiest form...we all know that someone on a well planned omnivorous, vegetarian or vegan diet can be healthy, meaning all the nutrients needed by the body are obtainable on all diets...
What I am trying to find an answer to is if you follow veganics because it produces a better end product why don't you do the same with YOUR diet? This thought of mine was sparked by Whitey78's comment.
I then researched what sort of treatment is available for MS at the moment. My mother takes a beta interferon injection every second day...and having seen her at her worst I wouldn't put even my enemies through something like that. Marijuana had been reported to help with the symptoms of MS and then I downloaded several documentaries on marijuana. That is when all the myths that I was led to believe got debunked. WOW are we lied to something shockingly! It is an embarrassment. Especially to think that there are sick people out there that don't take this medicine because of the preconceptions that they have...
So I am a vegan as a preventative matter and am learning as much as I can about how to grow medicinal marijuana just in case...
And to tell you the truth, the hardest thing to give up was the habitual side of eating meat etc. Not eating meat or dairy/eggs doesn't make my life an less enjoyable. To be honest, I am happier and healthier being vegan...
Just look at your plants...
PS: sorry if through text if that came out rude or provocative...not my intention...happy to discuss veganics beyond growing with anyone.
Cheers
What I am trying to find an answer to is if you follow veganics because it produces a better end product why don't you do the same with YOUR diet? This thought of mine was sparked by Whitey78's comment.
If two people close to me died from cancer I would try and be as healthy as possible. Both my mother and uncle have been diagnosed with MS. 2 close family friends have been diagnosed with it recently as well. Some say it is heretic others say environmental. I believe that nothing is certain so I am trying to be as healthy as possible. I have stopped drinking as much alcohol and basically only have a glass of red wine with dinner. I read that consuming milk has been linked to MS so I researched the milk industry as well as what nutritional benefit milk gives the body - found out that it does have nutritional value that we need, however it also has hormones, scores of allergens, fats and cholesterol that aren't present in the other forms of the nutrition found in milk (brocolli has calcium in it - who would have thought?). Then I found out about the dairy industry and bobby cows and basically went vegan shortly after that.
I then researched what sort of treatment is available for MS at the moment. My mother takes a beta interferon injection every second day...and having seen her at her worst I wouldn't put even my enemies through something like that. Marijuana had been reported to help with the symptoms of MS and then I downloaded several documentaries on marijuana. That is when all the myths that I was led to believe got debunked. WOW are we lied to something shockingly! It is an embarrassment. Especially to think that there are sick people out there that don't take this medicine because of the preconceptions that they have...
So I am a vegan as a preventative matter and am learning as much as I can about how to grow medicinal marijuana just in case...
And to tell you the truth, the hardest thing to give up was the habitual side of eating meat etc. Not eating meat or dairy/eggs doesn't make my life an less enjoyable. To be honest, I am happier and healthier being vegan...
Just look at your plants...
PS: sorry if through text if that came out rude or provocative...not my intention...happy to discuss veganics beyond growing with anyone.
Cheers
Thanks for the response. As far as not understanding that article, I meant at the time I had next to zero growing experience, I think I had my first batch of seedlings planted and not a whole lot else so I didnt know shit other than what my ed rosenthal grow book said so I may as well have been reading an article on nuclear physics at that point in time, what a difference a year or how ever long its been makes...
I just picked up a gallon of protekt a few weeks ago, I think everyone across every grow type uses the dyna-gro product now. However it sucks to hear about coco not being as good as I was hoping it to be for veganix. That is the one thing I can get from the one and only grow shop in town and I can walk out with it in bags somewhat discreetly. The only potting mixes I can get are fox farms happy frog, light warrior and ocean forest all @ the low low price of $25 a bag, other than that roots basic mix is available once in a while but I've never used it as the grow shop always talks me out of it. Its in the camo looking bags I think? I've been using a mix of all 3 of the FF mixes with added coco to cut down the strength of the ocean forest, its been ok so far I just wish the mixes were a little more......mixed I want to say. I usually do the FF's mixes bag/bag/bag and a brick of botanicare coco, then I'll throw in some perlite. What I wanted to do was stop using a bagged mix altogether, when I was mixing the bags of FF soil up, I kept finding pieces of hydroton in the soil. I had no idea FF sold recycled mix, not that I object to recycling soil, but I cant see paying $25 a bag to take a chance on getting some kind of insect larva or some roots from someone elses grow so I wanted to start using straight coco and then let that roll into me making my own mix, sounds like I got a start going though.
If I'm not mistaken the FF mixes (except light warrior) all have guano in it right? So a peat/coco mix is the way to go huh?....alrighty then......either I'll work out what I need by ordering it online a little at a time or I'll wait until spring time and go to the burbs and see what kind of mixes the nursery's and non-home depot/lowes garden centers have. The only reason its tough for me to order large things online is because I have to have all my shit sent to a PO box in a mailboxes etc... place and in a non-legal state people look at you funny when you get a package that says XXXX's indoor weed gardening.com or I-grow-hydro.com, LOL. I finally found greners.com and it only says shipping department on the box so I've been building them a new wing on their building 1 order at a time.
I've also been using a product called quantum1 for humic, but $30 for less than a quart gets old real quick...as far as fulvic, not there yet but on the list as of now. I have some peletized garden lime??? its made from dolomite lime, is this ok? I figure it is but may as well ask while I'm at it and I do have a bag of it so I may as well get rid of it if I can.
So cannazyme is out aye? I already use hygrozyme, but I know its recommended to use 2 enzymes. What other would you recommend? The mayan microzyme?
I just picked up a gallon of protekt a few weeks ago, I think everyone across every grow type uses the dyna-gro product now. However it sucks to hear about coco not being as good as I was hoping it to be for veganix. That is the one thing I can get from the one and only grow shop in town and I can walk out with it in bags somewhat discreetly. The only potting mixes I can get are fox farms happy frog, light warrior and ocean forest all @ the low low price of $25 a bag, other than that roots basic mix is available once in a while but I've never used it as the grow shop always talks me out of it. Its in the camo looking bags I think? I've been using a mix of all 3 of the FF mixes with added coco to cut down the strength of the ocean forest, its been ok so far I just wish the mixes were a little more......mixed I want to say. I usually do the FF's mixes bag/bag/bag and a brick of botanicare coco, then I'll throw in some perlite. What I wanted to do was stop using a bagged mix altogether, when I was mixing the bags of FF soil up, I kept finding pieces of hydroton in the soil. I had no idea FF sold recycled mix, not that I object to recycling soil, but I cant see paying $25 a bag to take a chance on getting some kind of insect larva or some roots from someone elses grow so I wanted to start using straight coco and then let that roll into me making my own mix, sounds like I got a start going though.
If I'm not mistaken the FF mixes (except light warrior) all have guano in it right? So a peat/coco mix is the way to go huh?....alrighty then......either I'll work out what I need by ordering it online a little at a time or I'll wait until spring time and go to the burbs and see what kind of mixes the nursery's and non-home depot/lowes garden centers have. The only reason its tough for me to order large things online is because I have to have all my shit sent to a PO box in a mailboxes etc... place and in a non-legal state people look at you funny when you get a package that says XXXX's indoor weed gardening.com or I-grow-hydro.com, LOL. I finally found greners.com and it only says shipping department on the box so I've been building them a new wing on their building 1 order at a time.
I've also been using a product called quantum1 for humic, but $30 for less than a quart gets old real quick...as far as fulvic, not there yet but on the list as of now. I have some peletized garden lime??? its made from dolomite lime, is this ok? I figure it is but may as well ask while I'm at it and I do have a bag of it so I may as well get rid of it if I can.
So cannazyme is out aye? I already use hygrozyme, but I know its recommended to use 2 enzymes. What other would you recommend? The mayan microzyme?
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
Yeah, a little pelletized lime will help keep the pH in check thru flowering. I like the Happy Frog and Ocean Forest mixes, I've been using them forever. I usually mix about 2 parts Happy Frog with 1 part Ocean Forest. These potting mixes are not veganic, but none of the good ones are so don't worry about it. Good soil is really key to having an easy and fruitful grow. Im only using one -zyme right now, the hygrozyme. Mayan microzyme is not a -zyme at all, but is an inoculant like Myco Madness or Great White.
yes, indubitably