Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

CaliWorthington

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Hey, welcome to RIU and thanks for posting all that.

30 days is good for letting the soil mix age, longer is better but you know how it goes.
Greensand, yes, good stuff, don't use too much.
I would not use coco as the base, but instead a peat or peat/coco blend.
Hi Matt. Thanks for the welcome, and the info. The Sunshine or Biobizz mix are peat-based. I was planning to mix equal parts of peat/coco for the base.
I figured 60-90 days would probably be ideal. In that case, I'll start my mix now, and wait for the next run to go fully Veganic.
 

Wolverine97

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Hey, welcome to RIU and thanks for posting all that.

30 days is good for letting the soil mix age, longer is better but you know how it goes.
Greensand, yes, good stuff, don't use too much.
I would not use coco as the base, but instead a peat or peat/coco blend.
Lately I'm mixing 40/40/10/10 coco/peat/castings/humus as my base and amend from there. But then I immediately cut that by 25% with #4 perlite.

edit: corrected spelling lest anyone think I meant pumice...
 

CaliWorthington

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Lately I'm mixing 40/40/10/10 coco/peat/castings/humice as my base and amend from there. But then I immediately cut that by 25% with #4 perlite.
Thanks for that valuable info, Wolverine97. Your mix is very close to what I had been planning on. I might try something like 40% coco/40% peat/10% Vermiblend/10% neem cake. Then I'll add some alfalfa meal and a little greensand, and then I'll cut it with big chunk perlite. Maybe I'll go 15% Vermiblend and 5% neem cake. What do you think Matt?

Vermiblend contains compost, earthworm castings, humus, kelp and mycorrhizal fungi. I figure it will bring down the cost, and simplify my first run with Veganics.
 

Wolverine97

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Thanks for that valuable info, Wolverine97. Your mix is very close to what I had been planning on. I might try something like 40% coco/40% peat/10% Vermiblend/10% neem cake. Then I'll add some alfalfa meal and a little greensand, and then I'll cut it with big chunk perlite. Maybe I'll go 15% Vermiblend and 5% neem cake. What do you think Matt?

Vermiblend contains compost, earthworm castings, humus, kelp and mycorrhizal fungi. I figure it will bring down the cost, and simplify my first run with Veganics.
That's probably too much neem cake, but Matt would know better than I would about that item in particular.
 
matt,
First of all i would like to commend u for the info on all sites.I have grown herb for quite some time and stood behind kushman the whole time,I have never grown any other style.Anyways i have a garden right now, you may have seen me on mmj.com I actually couldnt find any info on the latest info on his worrk for a long time but ran in to kushman at the med cup concert i almost shit for a lack of better wordsthats how found mmj.com.i was the one with the handcuffs.. i have a 15 lighter with about 10-12 strains big plants but i had another problem on timer was swithed to on instead of auto so for 2 maybe three days the 600 on that timer was left on I am actually devastated cuz of the size of it and its all veganic . i noticed the flowering process slowed for bout 4 days or so after this incident , they have resumed with good growth now at day 32 what can i expect ... potency lost and hella seeds probably? along with yield?

thanks cultivator
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
matt,
First of all i would like to commend u for the info on all sites.I have grown herb for quite some time and stood behind kushman the whole time,I have never grown any other style.Anyways i have a garden right now, you may have seen me on mmj.com I actually couldnt find any info on the latest info on his worrk for a long time but ran in to kushman at the med cup concert i almost shit for a lack of better wordsthats how found mmj.com.i was the one with the handcuffs.. i have a 15 lighter with about 10-12 strains big plants but i had another problem on timer was swithed to on instead of auto so for 2 maybe three days the 600 on that timer was left on I am actually devastated cuz of the size of it and its all veganic . i noticed the flowering process slowed for bout 4 days or so after this incident , they have resumed with good growth now at day 32 what can i expect ... potency lost and hella seeds probably? along with yield?

thanks cultivator
The light cycle issue might cause hermaphrodism, which can l lead to immature seeds. Keep a good eye on it.

Thanks for the feedback.

rize up!
 

CaliWorthington

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I've read reports of plant deficiencies when using the Vermisoil, so now instead of Vermiblend, I think I'll just use separate ingredients for the compost, castings, kelp, etc...

Hey Matt, how much Bio-Ag VAM do you use in the potting mix? I'm guessing about 1 tbsp/gal, or less. Trying to decide how much to order, 100 grams or 300 grams. Thanks!
 

GrowJahsGift

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Got my first aact bubbling right now. I used EWC, blackstrap, GO bioWeed, and GO bioMarine for the kelp and fish hydrolysate. Still gotta pickup kelp and h.lysate. Is that ok for now?
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
I've read reports of plant deficiencies when using the Vermisoil, so now instead of Vermiblend, I think I'll just use separate ingredients for the compost, castings, kelp, etc...

Hey Matt, how much Bio-Ag VAM do you use in the potting mix? I'm guessing about 1 tbsp/gal, or less. Trying to decide how much to order, 100 grams or 300 grams. Thanks!
BioAg VAM, I use about a tablespoon per 5 gallons. You will save by ordering more. The BioAg is whole spores instead of micronized fragments like most inoculants. This means the shelf life is doubled.

Got my first aact bubbling right now. I used EWC, blackstrap, GO bioWeed, and GO bioMarine for the kelp and fish hydrolysate. Still gotta pickup kelp and h.lysate. Is that ok for now?
You dont even need the bioweed or biomarine. I just do EWC and molasses.
 

GrowJahsGift

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BioAg VAM, I use about a tablespoon per 5 gallons. You will save by ordering more. The BioAg is whole spores instead of micronized fragments like most inoculants. This means the shelf life is doubled.


You dont even need the bioweed or biomarine. I just do EWC and molasses.
Thx that's good to know man thanks for the advice my Plush are so close to coming off and my bubblebags are in the mail. And you've given me lots of hashporn to judge my product to. Neways now that I added the kelp and fish I was thinking on letting it go in my brewer for another day to give the bacteria enough time to consume the food and the Protozoa enough time to eat those motherfuckers. Will it make a difference or can I go ahead now and dilute and drench? Peace for now thanks in advance man
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Thx that's good to know man thanks for the advice my Plush are so close to coming off and my bubblebags are in the mail. And you've given me lots of hashporn to judge my product to. Neways now that I added the kelp and fish I was thinking on letting it go in my brewer for another day to give the bacteria enough time to consume the food and the Protozoa enough time to eat those motherfuckers. Will it make a difference or can I go ahead now and dilute and drench? Peace for now thanks in advance man
I would go ahead and drench. Without a real microscope you have no way of knowing what is really going on that second day, could be good could be bad. What is your tea temperature?
 

GrowJahsGift

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Water temp bounce between 65-70°F I know thats a little low. It's also part of my reasoning for the extended brew time all my "tea knowledge" has come from you and Tim Wilson at this point so I figured you'd be the man for the job lol.:leaf:
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Water temp bounce between 65-70°F I know thats a little low. It's also part of my reasoning for the extended brew time all my "tea knowledge" has come from you and Tim Wilson at this point so I figured you'd be the man for the job lol.:leaf:
Yeah, and most of what I know if from Tim as well...
65 to 70 is what I do, for about 24 hours. I figure better too soon than too late. I should get a real scope one of these days. Tim sells them on his site.
 
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