Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

Wolverine97

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Anyone here use the GO line?

Thoughts? Suggestions?

I'm thinking of trying it out, maybe even doing a GO/Biocanna side-by-side in straight pro-mix...

The starter box thing has a lot of bottles though, I guess I'd have to see exactly what each is for.

I do. I like it for the most part, though you have to feed heavy if you don't amend your soil. That would be especially true in straight ProMix. I don't pH it ever, just mix and feed, no issues. I don't use all of the bottles either, just the Bio Bloom, Bio Bud, and CalMag but I also use a silica product and a few other additives here and there. It produces killer meds, and I'm pulling great yields with it.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
I do. I like it for the most part, though you have to feed heavy if you don't amend your soil. That would be especially true in straight ProMix. I don't pH it ever, just mix and feed, no issues. I don't use all of the bottles either, just the Bio Bloom, Bio Bud, and CalMag but I also use a silica product and a few other additives here and there. It produces killer meds, and I'm pulling great yields with it.
What kind of water you using? Starting pH and ppm?
 

Wolverine97

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I use RO water cut 80/20 with well water. The well water ppm is between 250-350ppm depending on seasonal conditions, the RO comes out around 6-8ppm generally. The well water pH is usually around 8, the RO around 6 but I've never even checked it once I mix the two. Don't need to...
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
I use RO water cut 80/20 with well water. The well water ppm is between 250-350ppm depending on seasonal conditions, the RO comes out around 6-8ppm generally. The well water pH is usually around 8, the RO around 6 but I've never even checked it once I mix the two. Don't need to...
are you watching me garden or something? because thats what I do, with my city water... lol
 

NightbirdX

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I can vouch for wolv, killer chron. I went back and looked at the pb description at the the tude. I got one of each of the two phenos he described. I couldnt believe it when I read it. The two phenos to a T. At least I know it was well tested, lol..
 

Wolverine97

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I can vouch for wolv, killer chron. I went back and looked at the pb description at the the tude. I got one of each of the two phenos he described. I couldnt believe it when I read it. The two phenos to a T. At least I know it was well tested, lol..
Thanks Birdman, your stuff aint too shabby either. That NYC looked incredible. I think we're all moving in the right general direction with our grows, and it can always be a little better. That keeps me motivated to listen to others, and constantly try to tweak things for the better. You really need to check out this latest harvest man... whoa.
 

NightbirdX

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For sure man, we'll have a pow wow after xmas and do some smoke reports. :P

Ya, I am forever tweaking my grow. But it has come a long way and things are going great. I used to hate my own medicine, but now I hardly can't stand smoking anyone elses. And god forbid someone tricks me into smoking mids again, lol. After being here for awhile, you can start to filter out who doesn't really know things and who does. I always throw questions out there if I am not sure about something or if I want to get some feed back about some things I am tweaking.

How often are you watering your little ones, Wolv? I think a big problem that I had was that I may have been under watering them. I have started spreading things out a little more, less quantity during feedings, but giving them something every couple of days. Whereas with my pro-mix they get fed around once every 5 days and are good to go. God forbid I let them dry out too much, it is such a pain to get them rehydrated. I think regardless of the outcome, I am going to at put one bag of Pro-Mix into the Roots to help with a little more absorption.
 

Wolverine97

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For sure man, we'll have a pow wow after xmas and do some smoke reports. :P

Ya, I am forever tweaking my grow. But it has come a long way and things are going great. I used to hate my own medicine, but now I hardly can't stand smoking anyone elses. And god forbid someone tricks me into smoking mids again, lol. After being here for awhile, you can start to filter out who doesn't really know things and who does. I always throw questions out there if I am not sure about something or if I want to get some feed back about some things I am tweaking.

How often are you watering your little ones, Wolv? I think a big problem that I had was that I may have been under watering them. I have started spreading things out a little more, less quantity during feedings, but giving them something every couple of days. Whereas with my pro-mix they get fed around once every 5 days and are good to go. God forbid I let them dry out too much, it is such a pain to get them rehydrated. I think regardless of the outcome, I am going to at put one bag of Pro-Mix into the Roots to help with a little more absorption.
I think the way in which you water is pretty important. Depending on growth stage, it varies between daily and every other day. During peak bloom it's daily, running in five gallon containers. I always water until I get runoff, I water a little bit and let it soak in for ten minutes or so, then come back and give the rest. That way I ensure that the entire container (smart pots) is saturated. I actually find that they dry out significantly quicker when I water this way, than if I just give a little bit occasionally. This is a good thing though, it means the plant is operating at peak potential.

The few plants that I just kinda throw in the corner usually get a lazy watering routine, and they tend to stay on the moist side because of it. I'm not entirely sure why this is, but I think it's just because this plant like a complete wet/dry cycle and doing it this way keeps the roots at peak performance.

That's the reason I really prefer the roots (mixing from scratch now), it holds water perfectly for me.
 

hazorazo

New Member
Matt Rize, I expect to see you at the Oregon Medical Cannabis Awards next year if they add the hash/concentrates category! Love the thread! My Ice Anomaly just tested at 20.75 percent, and I will test the hash over the next couple months. I can only hope for your level of quality. But, rest assured, my friend.....your message is getting out there to anyone that will listen. You and I know there are plenty of hash makers in denial......lol. Hope all is well for everyone. Happy Holidays!
 

upthearsenal

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I do. I like it for the most part, though you have to feed heavy if you don't amend your soil. That would be especially true in straight ProMix. I don't pH it ever, just mix and feed, no issues. I don't use all of the bottles either, just the Bio Bloom, Bio Bud, and CalMag but I also use a silica product and a few other additives here and there. It produces killer meds, and I'm pulling great yields with it.
Thanks Wolverine! I'm used to feeding heavy, so that won't be a problem. I also don't worry about pH, there's no need.

I guess I'll be doing the research in order to find out what I'd use, both through reading and trying out myself. Naturally, I omit bottles that I feel are not needed, so it might be interesting to start with that starter box thing, and see what I end up using towards the end.

I think the way in which you water is pretty important. Depending on growth stage, it varies between daily and every other day. During peak bloom it's daily, running in five gallon containers. I always water until I get runoff, I water a little bit and let it soak in for ten minutes or so, then come back and give the rest. That way I ensure that the entire container (smart pots) is saturated. I actually find that they dry out significantly quicker when I water this way, than if I just give a little bit occasionally. This is a good thing though, it means the plant is operating at peak potential.
This.

I'm the same way man, water until run-off, and water in intervals, pour a little, let it soak and after maybe two or three of these the pots are nice, heavy, and saturated. I've also noticed that they drink up more this way.
 

upthearsenal

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Thought I'd throw this up for fun...

One of my girls that's just about finishing up, I've been running a SOG the past few runs with Querkle and this time I wanted to see what my Blue Widow would do in a small(er) pot, straight pro-mix, and Biocanna (I also used the VAM-endo mix; the tea was only molasses and the endo-fungi).

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Did pretty well in my opinion, well enough for me to decide that it is perfect for my next SOG...
 

whitey78

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Looks delicious.
That it does, I have 2 cuts of querkle that I started growing my last grow and this run I switched to the GO, I was going canna but switched it up last minute. My querkle from seed plants were a bit leafy, but the cuttings I took from them produced much denser buds and also had some better coloring. I am running those 2 pheno's again this time around to see how good I can get it to grow. Its nice to know that Q works well in a SOG style, I ran 2 of them LST'd into a bunch of tops, and the 2 clones I ran straight up un-topped/cut/nothing... those came out good but one was still a little leafy but I think I need practice rather than new genetics so I'm running them again as I said.

I gotta go "dirt shopping" today as I like to say. Hopefully they have worm castings for me as they are as elusive as big foot around here, as far as soil I'm going to take rize's advice with happy frog/ocean forest mix even though I wont be running canna. I'll see what other amendments I can get from there, they have mostly fox farms stuff as far as amendments, hopefully they have some decent non-guano "shit" for me to buy.

I was wondering what kind of run off are you guys looking for with the GO stuff? With chem nutes I was going for like 30%+ but that much isnt needed with the go products I imagine. I have some seedlings that are probably going to be fed for the first time today as well as some cuttings that I am just working up to full strength feedings that I want to transplant later on when I get back with the "dirt".

What have you guys dropped out of the GO line just out of curiosity? I ordered quarts of everything except the marine and the bio-thrive grow which I ordered gallons of figuring I'd use the marine for both veg and bloom as well as it seems that I am always using more grow than bloom nutes. I picked up the diamond black but right after I ordered it I see its the first thing people are dropping so maybe I'll do a pepsi/coke challenge and see if I can see any difference on a couple of plants or 1 or 2 of each strain that I grow this time. Other than that I am using (havent started it yet) hygrozyme, protekt silica, and humbolt honey es, I bought a bottle of blackstrap molasses in the grocery store the other day to try but the HH es probably has some better shit in it than just un-sulphered molasses, but I'm gonna try it see how it goes.
 

Wolverine97

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I just make sure that there is some runoff, and that's only to ensure even saturation. You don't have to be concerned with salt buildup like you would with a chem nutrient line.
 

CaliWorthington

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Hopefully they have worm castings for me as they are as elusive as big foot around here
Don't know where you're located, but I got some absolutely beautiful, clean, dark, moist, loamy earthworm castings at my hydro store the other day. It's the Nature's Solution brand. These castings look so good, they're probably worth paying the shipping if you can't get any locally. OMRI certified and vegetable sources only. Again, no affiliation with either of these companies, just trying to help.

http://www.discount-hydro.com/products/Nature's-Solution-Worm-Castings.html
 

jray2469

Member
Great thread interested to see where this goes, Well here is an interesting way to control height and increase a pine cone style bud in bloom. A Koranic feller told me that if i were to brew a co2 mixture of 1/2 tsp. dry yeast to some Black Strap molasses(1/2 cup), and 3 tbsp. Mexican guano. and last but not least 1 cup brown sugar preferred, but can be subbed with white. brew for a day with free co2 for grow room for a day with a milk jug and a 1/4 in. line out the top. shaking now and then to create pressure. Once brewed, there will be a layer of goo at the top, extract with a baster from the center leaving the top and bottom layers undisturbed.Re-jar and feed at a 1/4 to 1/2 cup per gallon of water. I added one banana skin chopped up to the mix. smoking the bang bud now and its great and one hit sh@t. Spreading the brew, whats yours?
 

jray2469

Member
its the low levels of alcohol brewed gets them addicted and then it seems they become dependent on the juice. it lasts for 2 weeks in a dark cool p[ace, however it is a alcohol brew so do not forget to allow room for the pressure expansion in the jar, allow at least 3" of space or this crap will explode like a shakin soda!
 
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