Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

NightbirdX

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Matt, I know you are a big on the BioAg products. I am basically looking for a Humic Fulvic to add to my soil mix. I was thinking of mixing in some TM-7. Would this allow me to take out the Humega I am using currently? I know you also use the Vam Endo, but are there any of the others you would recommend using? I've looked over about 75% of this thread and am sure I missed it somewhere, cause i've seen it in here a million times, I just am getting tired and figured I would ask you.
 

GrowJahsGift

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DSCF1031.jpgDSCF1011.jpg4 day difference between photos 2nd day in of that 4 days they got a Compost Tea look at the difference between day 38 and day 42!!!!!! Go Microbeasties
1st pic is the day 42 second is day 38
This is the full GO line Plushberry under a 1000W HPS
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
Matt, I know you are a big on the BioAg products. I am basically looking for a Humic Fulvic to add to my soil mix. I was thinking of mixing in some TM-7. Would this allow me to take out the Humega I am using currently? I know you also use the Vam Endo, but are there any of the others you would recommend using? I've looked over about 75% of this thread and am sure I missed it somewhere, cause i've seen it in here a million times, I just am getting tired and figured I would ask you.
The humic and fulvic from BioAg are added to my water, not mixed in to my soil. The fulvic specifically is a golden liquid. The Humega is humic and can be replaced with BioAg's. The fulvic is a whole other level. I use the TM7 about every other week. I use their kelp in flower.

Happy Holidabs!
 

NightbirdX

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The humic and fulvic from BioAg are added to my water, not mixed in to my soil. The fulvic specifically is a golden liquid. The Humega is humic and can be replaced with BioAg's. The fulvic is a whole other level. I use the TM7 about every other week. I use their kelp in flower.

Happy Holidabs!
You just add the TM-7 in with a feeding? And then the cyto during flowering?
 

CaliWorthington

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Just ordered the TM-7 and Cytoplus. Thanks for the info.
I was gonna order some of the Cyto, but I think it's basically TM7 cut with kelp powder, so I'll just use separate kelp for now. The TM7 and Ful-Humix look really fine though, so next time I'll probably order the Cyto too.
 

Matt Rize

Hashmaster
You just add the TM-7 in with a feeding? And then the cyto during flowering?
Yes, but not every watering. More like every other week, or as needed.
I was gonna order some of the Cyto, but I think it's basically TM7 cut with kelp powder, so I'll just use separate kelp for now. The TM7 and Ful-Humix look really fine though, so next time I'll probably order the Cyto too.
Yup. It seems to me that TM-7 plus kelp powder = Cytoplus. Sometimes, when I don't want the added micros, I'll use the kelp with fulvic.
I have ful-power, but why does mine say .015% humic? I thought I was using fulvic
Thats some chemical thing. Its fulvic. The labeling is funny because of fulvic laws.
 

baldhead

Member
Neem seedcake according to the source I read is 4-3-2 NPK and .77 Ca, .75 Mg, 1.2 S and .28 Na
It seems pretty high on the S and P, so use accordingly depending on what else is in your mix.
 

CaliWorthington

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Neem seedcake according to the source I read is 4-3-2 NPK and .77 Ca, .75 Mg, 1.2 S and .28 Na
It seems pretty high on the S and P, so use accordingly depending on what else is in your mix.
Rize on man. bongsmilie At a rate of only 1 tbsp/gal of potting mix, I doubt it matters too much what you mix it with. Plus it's slow release as I understand. Then again, you make a good point. No need to mix in additional sources of phosphorus or sulfur when using the cake. Thanks for posting those numbers.

Also the BioCanna liquid fertilizer is pretty low in phosphorus going by the numbers, so neem cake is a perfect amendment to beef up (pun intended) the P a bit.

As for the BioAg powders, here's a quick breakdown:

Ful-Humix - straight fulvic/humic powder (use every watering)

TM7 - Ful-Humix with Micronutrients (weekly or as needed)

Cyto-Plus - TM7 with Kelp (weekly or as needed)

My guess is that it's perfectly fine to give your plants TM7 or Cyto-Plus every watering if you want to. Matt would know for sure.
 

whitey78

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I wanted to ask what you guys thought of the soil I put together for my rooted clones to be put in (a few are already in).

I was able to get 2 30 or 40 pound bags of "wiggle worm" worm castings (I'm pretty sure the bags said organic so I hope they were, only choice), 2 bags of happy frog, 3 bags of ocean forest, I had lime and granular mycos on hand. I also bought a bag of bone meal only because I mixed up the name label and the N-P-K label of another fox farms amendment and didnt catch it until after I opened and sprinkled a little in the fist batch I mixed but whatever, I dont think I'll be using it anymore, definitely not what I want in there if its not fish bone meal which I dont think it is but even then..whatever...

Anyhow I mixed basically the happy frog and ocean forest 60/40 (HF/OF), mixing up like 20 gal. of soil which I added a good 10-12+ heavy cups of EWC's and a little over a half cup of lime, and then some myco's were mixed in when I transplanted, hit them with some water to get the new soil wet, and then I had mixed up some of the GO products as well as some myco's in a bucket with some molasses for 24 hours prior to all this and I topped off the new potted plants with a few cups around the center of the pot of the aerated go/myco/molasses brew. The first 3 I did last night seem to be good and not suffering to much stress but they are looking a little light yellowish similar to lacking N on the newest growth, the top site and all the small node sites down the main stem are yellow on 1 or 2 of the clones I think. I just put them in the potting mix that contains some NPK so I hope by the time they need watering I'll know but I dont plan on doing anything at least until then, but I figured I'd ask. I just didnt have access to any good amendments but I plan to do some looking around online over the next few weeks hopefully before I need more dirt, so if theres any other amendments you guys care to post for the 50th time go for it please. I smoked querkle, jilly bean, the void, and chernobyl today starting before 10am (I'll try for earlier tom.) so the #1 excuse said on this site is mine tonight..... "I'm high".

My next question is for rize or anyone who's keen on tea's and when I should apply them in veg? (also howz about the explanation on that bio film comment I made awhile back, how and when should it be used/applied? and what are they made of? I owe you for that one dude, whenever you can post it). Also, I read a few pages back you recommended just ewc's and molasses for tea's so I think I'm going to go with that once my newly planted clones get established a little before being flipped just not sure when I should, thats what I planned to do anyhow.

But is there anything else you guys throw into your teas besides ewc's and at what points does everyone apply the teas? and do I remember it being posted I'm supposed to put the contents of the tea into an old sock and then toss it into a bucket with some bubbles...right?

Thanks all, this thread and a lot of you non haters have helped me out a lot, I'm still a newb and bust out with the long dumb questions sometimes as well as being a slight twinge of neurotic so its all good LOL....
 

whitey78

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You might consider adding a bit more lime next time, assuming it's dolomite that you're using...

More lime....check..... and it is dolomite or derived from I believe, its just the home depot or plant tone brand or whatever.

Its funny, I searched and was thinking about asking how much I should put in and thought I'd get the "do you not know what the search feature is" response so I guesstimated on the low side. But it always seems like when you need that little snippet of information that you've seen 9 million times when I had no use for it, it becomes un-find-able when I do need it.

But thanks W, I've read some people throw a cup or 2 of lime in per bag of soil and a few other amounts that werent set in stone, but I really wasnt sure in my situation but I knew I needed some. Just out of curiosity, how much would you recommend? What I put in there was only for 4 - 5 gallon buckets of soil that I mixed up with those ingredients, think a cup would be enough?

Now let me ask the more important question, the lime I'm putting in is going to control PH somewhat, but is the lime more for helping the soil decompose or is it more for PH? I havent concerned myself one bit with PH since I started using the GO stuff and I will admit I've never been happier to not have to sit there and play with ph especially when you go through meters like I do.

But does the PH of the medium have any kind of (??) bearing or importance in this style of growing? Just tryin to learn a bit more info that isnt bullshit and can help me understand this style of growing a little better. Sorry if I come off as an all over the place nut.....lol
 

Wolverine97

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More lime....check..... and it is dolomite or derived from I believe, its just the home depot or plant tone brand or whatever.

Its funny, I searched and was thinking about asking how much I should put in and thought I'd get the "do you not know what the search feature is" response so I guesstimated on the low side. But it always seems like when you need that little snippet of information that you've seen 9 million times when I had no use for it, it becomes un-find-able when I do need it.

But thanks W, I've read some people throw a cup or 2 of lime in per bag of soil and a few other amounts that werent set in stone, but I really wasnt sure in my situation but I knew I needed some. Just out of curiosity, how much would you recommend? What I put in there was only for 4 - 5 gallon buckets of soil that I mixed up with those ingredients, think a cup would be enough?

Now let me ask the more important question, the lime I'm putting in is going to control PH somewhat, but is the lime more for helping the soil decompose or is it more for PH? I havent concerned myself one bit with PH since I started using the GO stuff and I will admit I've never been happier to not have to sit there and play with ph especially when you go through meters like I do.

But does the PH of the medium have any kind of (??) bearing or importance in this style of growing? Just tryin to learn a bit more info that isnt bullshit and can help me understand this style of growing a little better. Sorry if I come off as an all over the place nut.....lol
I do 1 cup/cubic ft of soil, but if mixing from scratch with sphagnum etc then I'd do more. It serves several purposes, first is pH control, but it is also a good source of calcium and magnesium (ratios depend on the source). The pH matters, but the key is just getting your starting mix right and the soil life and plant itself will take care of the rest. I don't have a problem answering questions, as long as I have the time and it doesn't get too tedious. Peace.
 

Bird Gymnastics

New Member
Yes, but not every watering. More like every other week, or as needed.

Yup. It seems to me that TM-7 plus kelp powder = Cytoplus. Sometimes, when I don't want the added micros, I'll use the kelp with fulvic.

Thats some chemical thing. Its fulvic. The labeling is funny because of fulvic laws.
Ha ha that
is what i figured about the fulvic...damn labeling laws! Also, my girlfriend wants to know where she can obtain her own "rize up" shirt? She said ever since I started listening to you the taste of my bud is now PERFECT! Lol happy holidabs and merry Christmas!
 

MalcolmMustang

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On my first Veganic Grow right now.
running Bio Canna Kyle Kushman style.
This thread is full of great info. Thank you for all your contributions Matt Rize. Are you still using BioCanna? Is a flush needed or should I just discontinue nutes for the last couple weeks?
 

whitey78

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I do 1 cup/cubic ft of soil, but if mixing from scratch with sphagnum etc then I'd do more. It serves several purposes, first is pH control, but it is also a good source of calcium and magnesium (ratios depend on the source). The pH matters, but the key is just getting your starting mix right and the soil life and plant itself will take care of the rest. I don't have a problem answering questions, as long as I have the time and it doesn't get too tedious. Peace.

Thanks dude, its definitely appreciated.

Dont get me wrong, I understand the overall basis of veganics but I'm just completely new to organics in general and whats going on in the soil and how to keep it going on in the right ways without pissing any of the crow-bies off, having them go on strike on me or something.

The 3 ladies I mentioned in one of my posts that I put in the soil I mixed up are all coming to life nicely so far. They are in 5 gallon smart pots which I think I went a little too big on for clones based on how long I'm going to veg them for but whatever, next time I'll put them in 3's I think, I'll have to see how this first batch works out, as soon as I can take a few cuts I'm gonna flower them out.

The kind of important question I have is when should I be applying tea's? So far I'm gonna go with just the EWC's and some humbolt honey es I think as I've seen mr. rize say he uses (with molasses), but I'm gonna wait until I get at least one watering in with straight water i think. I think thats what I should do but I'll have to wait and see what the plants say when its watering time.

What does everyone do for foliar feeding? I've been only hitting them with water here and there, I was doing a foliar of liquid karma when they were put in small pots to establish roots but other than the water, I havent been doing much.

Thanks again and happy holidays everyone.
 

CaliWorthington

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Yesterday I scored an 80 gallon compost tumbler, brand new in the box, for $80. It's the Lifetime tumbler that retails for $140. With temperatures of 34 degrees at night, I figure I'll need to keep my veganic soil mix indoors for it to season. A tumbler seemed like the best solution for both mixing and storage.

Oh yeah, Merry Christmas everyone!

And Happy Chronica!
 
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