Heard an Interesting POV...

[NoDrama]

Of course we do, and we both know that such laws are for the minority because as you say, the majority abide by their own code of conduct, most laws are expressly FOR that one percent.

So if we have regulations against wife beating and killing, do wife beatings and wife murders for monetary gain still happen to this very day?

 

[canndo]

Before hating corporations I think people need to look at who corporations are. Oh wait, its them, and the person next to them, and their best friend and all his coworkers, the checkout clerk at the grocery store, and the bank, and the gas station, the person that made their car, phone, food. Do you hate the environment? Are you super rich? What about your coworks? Your friends? Hmmm...

That is as accurate as my saying that we are our government.

 

[Gastanker]

Yes, if the conservancy is non profit, which many if not most of those tree saving groups are.

Are non-profits different than the rest?

 

[canndo]

So if we have regulations against wife beating and killing, do wife beatings and wife murders for monetary gain still happen to this very day?

Certainly, we can only presume that the law alone deters some.

 

[canndo]

Are non-profits different than the rest?

Non profits presumably are not driven by profit but by some other motivation, perhaps like saving trees. You must admit that other than public relations it would be a poor decision for the stock holders for a company to purchase a tract of land bearing large trees that the company did not intend to sell.

 

[NoDrama]

Yes, if the conservancy is non profit, which many if not most of those tree saving groups are.

so a "For Profit" conservancy group has cut down all their trees?

 

[Gastanker]

Non profits presumably are not driven by profit but by some other motivation, perhaps like saving trees. You must admit that other than public relations it would be a poor decision for the stock holders for a company to purchase a tract of land bearing large trees that the company did not intend to sell.

I actually know several large companies that have done this and a ton of rich people that have. I would say non-profits are just as profit driven as any other company - larger salary is nice, right?

Actually I know several for profit that aren't profit driven as well...

 

[NoDrama]

Certainly, we can only presume that the law alone deters some.

You actually cannot presume that at all, all you can really presume with the data presented is that regulations do not necessarily deter any activity at all. I mean what is the REAL REASON you don't chop your wife's head off with a hedge trimmer? Is it because there are laws against murder or do you feel that killing others is wrong and morally repugnant?

Do you think armed forces members who are forced to kill enemy combatants feel no remorse? Do you think they just go about their day as if nothing ever happened because they were "Authorized"? I can tell you from personal experience that you never forget those faces, they are clearer in your mind than your own children.

 

[canndo]

so a "For Profit" conservancy group has cut down all their trees?

I suppose it is possible that a "for profit" or even a non=profit might preserve the trees as tourist attractions, now where are you going with this NoD? The point is that the reason many large trees still stand is that non profit orgaizations bought the land and preserved the trees - usually because of the stated interest of the logging companies to cut them down. At least that is what I remember the last time I visited that area of the country.

 

[canndo]

You actually cannot presume that at all, all you can really presume with the data presented is that regulations do not necessarily deter any activity at all. I mean what is the REAL REASON you don't chop your wife's head off with a hedge trimmer? Is it because there are laws against murder or do you feel that killing others is wrong and morally repugnant?

It is because currently there is no financial gain in doing so. What you are saying is that consequences are not a part of any behavioral equation - and on that we disagree.

 

[Gastanker]

I suppose it is possible that a "for profit" or even a non=profit might preserve the trees as tourist attractions, now where are you going with this NoD? The point is that the reason many large trees still stand is that non profit orgaizations bought the land and preserved the trees - usually because of the stated interest of the logging companies to cut them down. At least that is what I remember the last time I visited that area of the country.

Must have been a while ago. We are super "green" now. Talk like that is blasphemy over here.

 

[canndo]

Must have been a while ago. We are super "green" now. Talk like that is blasphemy over here.

Gastanker, it was described to me as the history of why the trees still stood, I was up in Humbolt July of this year and took a tour of some of the big ones.

 

[NoDrama]

It is because currently there is no financial gain in doing so. What you are saying is that consequences are not a part of any behavioral equation - and on that we disagree.

Which consequence is worse? Going to prison for 20 years or having to live your life with the pain of doing it? Ask most anyone who isn't a psychopath who in a fit of rage or a moment of fear had to end another fellow human beings life and ask them if they could have done it differently would they have? I suspect your going to get a very lopsided answer in the affirmative.

 

[Gastanker]

Gastanker, it was described to me as the history of why the trees still stood, I was up in Humbolt July of this year and took a tour of some of the big ones.

About how they were cutting them down during the depression? I have a house 30 minutes from Big Trees National Forest and the local logging company is probably the largest conservation group around and has been for some time.

That posting of local forestry practices was for the Humbolt logging company.

 

[doc111]

Which of the current candidates call for the elimination of the EPA?

"Ru Paul"? lmfao!!!!!!

Welcome back duke.

 

[doc111]

That is as accurate as my saying that we are our government.

Huh?????

You're not too swift are ya?

 

[Terms]

"Ru Paul"? lmfao!!!!!!

Welcome back duke.

Yeah Ron Paul is another one calling for the elimination of the EPA

He might be mor7e enviromentally freindly if most of his stocks weren't gold mining

 

[Gastanker]

Where do you draw the line?

Here's a true story -

This middle aged hippie who use to tour with a bunch of the big bands teams up with some of the different band techs and opens a speaker repair shop. The guys are all the best of their craft and business booms with all of the biggest bands wanting their speaker and amps tweaked. The work is so nice that pretty soon bands are demanding complete set-ups. Business increases to the point that the middle aged hippie hires two more of his buddies, demand increases more so he hires two of his buddies kids to run errands, and then one of their friends who's into IT to make a website, and one of his friends to do graphics, and pretty soon there's a receptionist who's the girlfriend of a cone worker, and the daughter of the hippie is doing the accounting.

Now demand is really increasing and the middle aged hippie want's to start helping the environment so he creates a line of hemp cone speakers to help the environment. BOOM! Business skyrockets and he's hiring friends of friends left and right to go to trade shows and preach about the importance of sustainability and hemp blah blah blah, magazines want articles so he's hiring writers and photographers. Pretty soon a huge headphone manufacturer calls and wants miniature hemp cones for headphones so he has to hire another accountant and a lawyer and a certified sound tech for the testing and graphs....

So when should my middle aged hippie friend have stopped? Now he has a corporation...

 

[NoDrama]

Where do you draw the line?

Here's a true story -

This middle aged hippie who use to tour with a bunch of the big bands teams up with some of the different band techs and opens a speaker repair shop. The guys are all the best of their craft and business booms with all of the biggest bands wanting their speaker and amps tweaked. The work is so nice that pretty soon bands are demanding complete set-ups. Business increases to the point that the middle aged hippie hires two more of his buddies, demand increases more so he hires two of his buddies kids to run errands, and then one of their friends who's into IT to make a website, and one of his friends to do graphics, and pretty soon there's a receptionist who's the girlfriend of a cone worker, and the daughter of the hippie is doing the accounting.

Now demand is really increasing and the middle aged hippie want's to start helping the environment so he creates a line of hemp cone speakers to help the environment. BOOM! Business skyrockets and he's hiring friends of friends left and right to go to trade shows and preach about the importance of sustainability and hemp blah blah blah, magazines want articles so he's hiring writers and photographers. Pretty soon a huge headphone manufacturer calls and wants miniature hemp cones for headphones so he has to hire another accountant and a lawyer and a certified sound tech for the testing and graphs....

So when should my middle aged hippie friend have stopped? Now he has a corporation...

OMG a corporation? PURE EVIL!! Corporations cannot do good, we need to make all corporations a part of the government so we can make sure they are correctly run!!!!

this is what I am hearing from some of the opponents of reduced federal intervention.

 

[canndo]

Which consequence is worse? Going to prison for 20 years or having to live your life with the pain of doing it? Ask most anyone who isn't a psychopath who in a fit of rage or a moment of fear had to end another fellow human beings life and ask them if they could have done it differently would they have? I suspect your going to get a very lopsided answer in the affirmative.

but the 20 years in jail will happen regardless of the mental anguish. Now ask Kenneth Lay (well, if you could) how he felt about perpetrating his company's antics on the country at large. I think you are getting off the point. What you seem to be saying is that we need only rely upon people's inner moral limitations and we need not have laws to the same effect. I say you are wrong and that consequences I.E. regulations play an important part in an orderly society.