Assuming Romney will win the Nomination

[desert dude]

Do you people care about ANYTHING other than marijuana laws?

I see the war on drugs as the catalyst for a lot of what has gone wrong with the US, and the world:

If not for the war on drugs, I don't think the patriot act would have passed or even been seriously considered, for example. The war on drugs is a clear constitutional violation that led to no-knock raids and the regular murder of American citizens by the authorities with absolutely no consequence for the authorities. The cops/judges/politician must have looked on in amazement as the WoD escalated and American citizens stood by and just knuckled under. America now spends about $50B per year prosecuting the war on drugs; that is money we don't have and is certainly money that should not be spent in an essentially evil enterprise.

Most of the WoD is waged against marijuana, and most of the profits for the cartels is derived from marijuana. If the American people can force their cowardly politicians to end the war on marijuana, I think the whole apparatus of the police state will begin to crumble.

So, to answer your question, yes I see the marijuana laws as a keystone in the evil empire. If you pull that stone out, America and the world will get back to normalcy in a whole host of areas.

Ron Paul is the only guy out there in the two major parties with any dependable principles. He is the only guy in the two parties worth voting for.

 

[Illegal Smile]

I see the war on drugs as the catalyst for a lot of what has gone wrong with the US, and the world:

If not for the war on drugs, I don't think the patriot act would have passed or even been seriously considered, for example. The war on drugs is a clear constitutional violation that led to no-knock raids and the regular murder of American citizens by the authorities with absolutely no consequence for the authorities. The cops/judges/politician must have looked on in amazement as the WoD escalated and American citizens stood by and just knuckled under. America now spends about $50B per year prosecuting the war on drugs; that is money we don't have and is certainly money that should not be spent in an essentially evil enterprise.

Most of the WoD is waged against marijuana, and most of the profits for the cartels is derived from marijuana. If the American people can force their cowardly politicians to end the war on marijuana, I think the whole apparatus of the police state will begin to crumble.

So, to answer your question, yes I see the marijuana laws as a keystone in the evil empire. If you pull that stone out, America and the world will get back to normalcy in a whole host of areas.

Ron Paul is the only guy out there in the two major parties with any dependable principles. He is the only guy in the two parties worth voting for.

Do you have any documentation that most of the war on drugs is about marijuana? I think it is a small part.

I think I am probably pretty much in agreement with most of the war on drugs. Are you saying you believe heroin and all other drugs should be completely legal and freely made and distributed?

 

[desert dude]

Do you have any documentation that most of the war on drugs is about marijuana? I think it is a small part.

I think I am probably pretty much in agreement with most of the war on drugs. Are you saying you believe heroin and all other drugs should be completely legal and freely made and distributed?

"What percentage of the cartels’ revenue comes from marijuana? It’s been widely stated by legalization opponents and advocates (including myself) that the cartels make 60 percent of their revenue from selling marijuana in the U.S. Our source for that statistic was none other than the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy." http://www.opposingviews.com/i/what-did-rand-study-say-about-cartels-and-marijuana

The numbers are disputed. Somebody is lying. The cartels are not non-profit organizations, though.

(1995-2010 - marijuana arrests percent share of total drug arrests by year) The following table references the drug and marijuana arrests columns in the "US Arrests" table. It pairs "Total Marijuana Arrests," "Marijuana Trafficking/Sale Arrests," and "Marijuana Possession Arrests" against "Total Drug Arrests" to arrive at the percentage each has of the total for the respective years. This table shows the growing dominance of marijuana arrests among total drug arrests in the U.S., rising from a percentage of 39.9% of total drug arrests in 1995 to 52.1% of such arrests in 2010. Further, while arrests for sales and trafficking have wavered a few percentage points around 5-6% of total drug arrests, the numbers driving marijuana's increased dominance of drug arrests are those for simple possession, jumping from 34.1% in 1995 to 45.8% in 2010. Arrests for marijuana possession have risen from about a third to about a half of all drug abuse violation arrests over the fifteen year 1995-2010 period.
[TABLE="align: center"]
[TR]
[TH="colspan: 4"]US Marijuana Arrests Percentage Share of Total Drug Arrests[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD="align: center"]Year[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Total Marijuana Arrests[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Marijuana Trafficking & Sale Arrests[/TD]
[TD="align: center"]Marijuana Possession Arrests[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[TD="align: right"][/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2010[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]52.1%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.3%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.8%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2009[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]51.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.0%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.6%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2008[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]49.8%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.5%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2007[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]47.4%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.3%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2006[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.8%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2005[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]4.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]37.7%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2004[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]44.3%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.0%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2003[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.0%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.5%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2002[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.3%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.4%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2001[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]45.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.2%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]2000[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46.5%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]40.9%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1999[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]46.0%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.5%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"] 40.5%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1998[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43.8%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.4%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38.4%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1997[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]43.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]38.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1996[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]42.6%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]6.3%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]36.3%[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]1995[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]39.9%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]5.8%[/TD]
[TD="align: right"]34.1%[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

Source:
FBI Uniform Crime Reports 1970-2010. Please see cite sources for U.S. Arrests table.





People Arrested for Cannabis Law Offenses this Year



Police arrested an estimated 858,408 persons for cannabis violations in 2009. Of those charged with cannabis violations, approximately 89 percent were charged with possession only. An American is arrested for violating cannabis laws every 30 seconds.

Source: Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation


That took me about 110 seconds of google time.

I don't think the hard drugs should be legal, but I also don't think the penalty for use of hard drugs should be prison time.

 

[abandonconflict]

OK, here is a statistic: Romney is a notorious flip-flopper, I won't list his flips because I assume you are familiar with them.

Obama has flipped on:
1. his "stance" on MM
2. his promise to close Gitmo
3. his support for indefinite detention. He has vastly expanded this unconstitutional practice.
4. His coziness with wall street.

Romney and Obama both carefully examine the steam wafting over their turds after they take a dump to see which way the political wind is blowing. You can't trust either one of them because you have no idea, really, of what they actually stand for.

Now you can have the last word.

Now I think we are compromising (sifting out bs for truth) and I am forced to agree Obama and Romney have serious commonalities. They are equal in many ways. Their contributions to cannabis prohibition abolition is not one of those. It is undeniable that Obama has allowed the most progress toward ending cannabis prohibition of any sitting president during the lives of anyone on this site. Considering the purpose of this thread, that really should be the "last word" but I know someone else will be making me defend the guy I'm not going to vote for.

 

[abandonconflict]

Do you people care about ANYTHING other than marijuana laws?

There are sites for many purposes, this site happens to be for marijuana growers. I think.

 

[sync0s]

Do you have any documentation that most of the war on drugs is about marijuana? I think it is a small part.

I think I am probably pretty much in agreement with most of the war on drugs. Are you saying you believe heroin and all other drugs should be completely legal and freely made and distributed?

Why wouldn't one be?

 

[Illegal Smile]

Why wouldn't one be?

Why wouldn't one be in agreement with most of the war on drugs? Or why wouldn't one believe heroin should be legal?

If the former, I don't know, if the latter, really?

 

[sync0s]

Why wouldn't one be in agreement with most of the war on drugs? Or why wouldn't one believe heroin should be legal?

If the former, I don't know, if the latter, really?

The latter, and yes, really.

 

[desert dude]

Why wouldn't one be in agreement with most of the war on drugs? Or why wouldn't one believe heroin should be legal?

If the former, I don't know, if the latter, really?

You don't know why people would disagree with most of the war on drug? Really?

 

[Illegal Smile]

The latter, and yes, really.

I'm also a shooter, 2nd amendment rights advocate, and Life Member of NRA. Yet when I hear someone saying of course it should be legal to watch kids on a school playground through a sniper rifle's scope, or of course it should be legal for citizens to own RPGs, I get sick thinking how much damage those people do to the cause.

That's what you're reminding me of.

 

[abandonconflict]

I'm also a shooter, 2nd amendment rights advocate, and Life Member of NRA. Yet when I hear someone saying of course it should be legal to watch kids on a school playground through a sniper rifle's scope, or of course it should be legal for citizens to own RPGs, I get sick thinking how much damage those people do to the cause.

That's what you're reminding me of.

So you are of the mind that having more laws, cops and prisons will result in more liberty? Or are you anti-liberty?

 

[sync0s]

I'm also a shooter, 2nd amendment rights advocate, and Life Member of NRA. Yet when I hear someone saying of course it should be legal to watch kids on a school playground through a sniper rifle's scope, or of course it should be legal for citizens to own RPGs, I get sick thinking how much damage those people do to the cause.

That's what you're reminding me of.

In other words you have no legitimate argument and choose to use fear mongering propaganda? Cool dude.

The funny thing is in this thread I have never expressed my opinion on either side of the argument. You have done nothing so far but making assumptions then demonizing me.

 

[abandonconflict]

It sickens me that people, with our country in the predicament it is, would base a vote on marijuana laws. Oh well, some people sell their vote for a pack of cigarettes.

It is not just about enjoying the benefit of the plant. It is also about owning a means of production.

 

[desert dude]

It is not just about enjoying the benefit of the plant. It is also about owning a means of production.

Why don't you just go ahead and explain what you mean by "means of production"? I think it means "own the factory", or "own the farm", or being more or less self reliant. Is that what you mean?

 

[abandonconflict]

Why don't you just go ahead and explain what you mean by "means of production"? I think it means "own the factory", or "own the farm", or being more or less self reliant. Is that what you mean?

Are you allowed to know?

 

[desert dude]

Are you allowed to know?

I guess not.

 

[abandonconflict]

I guess not.

It's up to you.

 

[desert dude]

It's up to you.

I told you what I thought it means, and then I politely asked you what mean by it.

 

[abandonconflict]

I told you what I thought it means, and then I politely asked you what mean by it.

The lack of mention of means of production is what makes Ron Paul just another GOP candidate.

 

[Illegal Smile]

In other words you have no legitimate argument and choose to use fear mongering propaganda? Cool dude.

The funny thing is in this thread I have never expressed my opinion on either side of the argument. You have done nothing so far but making assumptions then demonizing me.

You're being awfully defensive. I understood you to say you thought all drugs should be legal. Why don't you clarify that for us? Does it mean anyone can cook up meth and hand it out to school kids? If not, then what and where are the restrictions? And if there are restrictions, does that make it legal, or just less illegal?