Why don't Republican officials accept science? 3 examples..

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Why shouldn't scientists who get hired by government be held responsible when they on purpose compromise their ethics for profit? Did Nazi scientists not know? Other ethical requirements need to be used other than the obvious.
It would make more sense to me to prosecute Nazi scientists as Nazis, not scientists. And from my reading of the history of science in the 20th century, most scientists who stayed on with the Germans were driven by loyalty to Germany and not Hitler. I have spoken with some of them myself, and almost to a man they despised Hitler while still feeling a national duty.

But by Godwin's Rule, you win. ;) cn
 

OGEvilgenius

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It would make more sense to me to prosecute Nazi scientists as Nazis, not scientists. And from my reading of the history of science in the 20th century, most scientists who stayed on with the Germans were driven by loyalty to Germany and not Hitler. I have spoken with some of them myself, and almost to a man they despised Hitler while still feeling a national duty.

But by Godwin's Rule, you win. ;) cn
A large number of Nazi scientists, as you are probably aware, were brought into the mix with Operation Paperclip. I'm pretty sure the first head of Nasa was a Nazi scientist.

As far as your speaking to them yourself, what were they supposed to say? Surely some of what was said was true, I'm not sure how many you spoke to, but some of what you heard was probably pure unadulterated bullshit too.

Some of the stuff these guys were guilty of in their methodology is shocking and disgusting. It did not prevent their protection and transfer into American society.
 

Canna Sylvan

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OG,Exactly. When scientists put tests near the AC vent to skew their results when govt demands get the results by an means,those scientists need to be held accountable.But FDA forces herbal remmedies to say disclaimers because of big pharma.Is that fair?
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
A large number of Nazi scientists, as you are probably aware, were brought into the mix with Operation Paperclip. I'm pretty sure the first head of Nasa was a Nazi scientist.

As far as your speaking to them yourself, what were they supposed to say? Surely some of what was said was true, I'm not sure how many you spoke to, but some of what you heard was probably pure unadulterated bullshit too.

Some of the stuff these guys were guilty of in their methodology is shocking and disgusting. It did not prevent their protection and transfer into American society.
Are you aware of any of "our" Germans who were guilty of atrocity? I am aware that there is a conspiracy-theory focus on the Operation Paperclip Kinder, but I've not seen anything substantive. cn
 

Heisenberg

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OG,Exactly. When scientists put tests near the AC vent to skew their results when govt demands get the results by an means,those scientists need to be held accountable.But FDA forces herbal remmedies to say disclaimers because of big pharma.Is that fair?
Science is a process, not a person. Science is not some sort of entity or organization, it is a method. Anyone who subverts science is corrupting it, and should be held accountable. By that same standard, herbal remedies can not be allowed to make claims they can not demonstrate scientifically.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
I'm not clear on your point here.
Where it isn't the scientists' fault, it's rape (to be misused in a policy debate).
Where it is the scientists' fault, they were not being students but whores. The problem is with the people and not with science, is the opinion I was capsularizing. cn
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Science is a process, not a person. Science is not some sort of entity or organization, it is a method. Anyone who subverts science is corrupting it, and should be held accountable. By that same standard, herbal remedies can not be allowed to make claims they can not demonstrate clinically.
Mild edit to point out a diff between science and engineering, to which category I place drug development more closely.
 

NLXSK1

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I know of one Democrat that was concerned Guam would tip over if we put more troops on it...

Stupidity does not have a party affiliation
 

Canna Sylvan

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Bear,
Would you rather I use Japanese Unit 731? Why when you label it religion it's genocide, but when science it's progress?
 

OGEvilgenius

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Where it isn't the scientists' fault, it's rape (to be misused in a policy debate).
Where it is the scientists' fault, they were not being students but whores. The problem is with the people and not with science, is the opinion I was capsularizing. cn
I don't think many people would disagree with this.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Bear,
Would you rather I use Japanese Unit 731? Why when you label it religion it's genocide, but when science it's progress?
To what effect? Japan at the time was not an open society. The situation and outcome was comparable to the Nazi experiments on humans (to which OGE alluded) who were classified as subhumans. But it must be understood that the classifiers were politicians, and their tame Igors in labcoats who backed them up were ... whores, which means also politicians rather than scientists. Jmo. cn
 

Canna Sylvan

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Vaccines are allowed epidemiological studies but herbal needs double blind. Scientists know how flawed epidemiological method is yet they do it and claim they're just as valid.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Vaccines are allowed epidemiological studies but herbal needs double blind. Scientists know how flawed epidemiological method is yet they do it and claim they're just as valid.
Do you have reason to believe that vaccines are not tested by double-blind clinical studies?

(Total tangent. Many vaccines are currently animal products. Does their injection violate the vegan principle? How about the ones made in cell lines but not organisms?) cn
 

Canna Sylvan

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Bear,
Hate to be annoying, but that's why I'm vegan. Animal exploitation is political. But does it make it right? When Michael Vic is a villain doing animal abuse but that worker at Phizer or NIMH does anal eletrocutions to dogs it's political?
 
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