Vegan Organics Aka Veganics With Matt Rize

blueJ said:
It's red clover. Nitrogen fixer, helps keep topsoil moist and aerated with an active network of roots and yes with higher microbial activity towards the surface it will enhance decompostion of any mulch material layed down.

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digging the clover cover crops blue j! What is your favorite mulch? How much clover to you apply to get started?
 
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WOW....excuse me for my laziness,but i went back 5 pages or more and didnt see any specific stuff used for this grow....i know you are all about veganics(biocanna from what i remember)..im interested in starting veganic growing(over advanced nutrients-too much salt buildup)and have been reading kushmans stuff....so if you mind me asking, what all nutrients did you use? Also,what watt light? Those are some headies for veganic,nice job bro
 
Hello... I am not new to this site even tho my title seems that way. Everytime time I make a account the site has been hacked and I lose everything. Anyways I just have a quick question. I have been a caregiver in Michgian for about two years now. I started off using the GO line and was happy with my quality but not with my yields. So then I started doing some compost teas along with it and also feeding at a higher dosage of the nutrients. I started working for a Hydro shop a few weeks ago and we have been picked to carry the Canna lines. Have been looking over a lot of stuff on here and have decided to give it a try. Easy for me to say cause I get it at cost. But my question is.... Is there a movie out there that explains vegan/organics? Compost tea's? All that good kind of stuff?
i know there are a ton of reading materials. But I have problem comprehending what I read. I can read a whole chapter out loud and not remember one thing I read. Its very hard for me to Learn that way. I am a hands on type of person. No one at the shop does organics/vegan but me. So I have no help there. Just trying to find something that can help me. Figure out when I should be adding the right things to my teas during the correct stages of the plants life. I am really happy with the GO lines quality. Taste and smell is as good as it gets. But just never could pull big yields.
Thanks for your time!
 
Pimpski said:
Hello... I am not new to this site even tho my title seems that way. Everytime time I make a account the site has been hacked and I lose everything. Anyways I just have a quick question. I have been a caregiver in Michgian for about two years now. I started off using the GO line and was happy with my quality but not with my yields. So then I started doing some compost teas along with it and also feeding at a higher dosage of the nutrients. I started working for a Hydro shop a few weeks ago and we have been picked to carry the Canna lines. Have been looking over a lot of stuff on here and have decided to give it a try. Easy for me to say cause I get it at cost. But my question is.... Is there a movie out there that explains vegan/organics? Compost tea's? All that good kind of stuff?
i know there are a ton of reading materials. But I have problem comprehending what I read. I can read a whole chapter out loud and not remember one thing I read. Its very hard for me to Learn that way. I am a hands on type of person. No one at the shop does organics/vegan but me. So I have no help there. Just trying to find something that can help me. Figure out when I should be adding the right things to my teas during the correct stages of the plants life. I am really happy with the GO lines quality. Taste and smell is as good as it gets. But just never could pull big yields.
Thanks for your time!
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I used to have the same problem with not being able to absorb the information I was reading, until I started using cannabis concentrates. Now I've learned more about...everything...in the last 2 years than I have the rest of my life combined. Have you experimented with learning on different forms of cannabis? There are a lot of good studies coming out now about certain personality types experiencing better brain functioning on cannabis, certain strains obviously.

There isn't any video that I know of teaching veganics, only classes if you can get to one. But you don't really need a video teaching veganics, you just need to watch a video teaching organic gardening and a video teaching the soil food web and so on. That should be easier for you to find.

I also have not been able to get comparable yields with only plant-based methods, at least not yet. I took a page from some of my friends here in this thread and started using a liquid guano based product for the first 4 weeks of flower along with my normal nutrient schedule and added about .25 grams per watt to my yield on my blue dream. And guess what? It tasted just as sweet as the blue dream I grew without guano. The fact that I'm only using it the first half of flower may play into that, but I think a lot of us also started using teas and perfecting recipes around the time we started growing veganically and may have become a little biased to the methods. I think growing without poop and without animal products is really important, especially for the future, and I'll continue using plant based methods on most of my plants with the goal of getting matching yields to organic grows....but I've gotta admit it was nice to see a couple of branches the size of my forearm again, and still have the same great taste I'm used to. I'll be harvesting some Jilly Bean that also got guano for the first half of flower this weekend...I can't imagine it's not going to taste like candy lol.
 
Poo is truly everywhere in nature, only in much smaller amount... perhaps there might be a happy balance. Doesnt Poo have great beneficial microbes from being digested that you can't get through composted plant matter?
 
blueJ said:
It's red clover. Nitrogen fixer, helps keep topsoil moist and aerated with an active network of roots and yes with higher microbial activity towards the surface it will enhance decompostion of any mulch material layed down.

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Cool to see others undersowing legumes as well!!!

I do this with all my bigger veggie plants outside, and it keeps the weeds down as well as everything else mentioned.

Red clover is great, but, you should look into dutch white clover, it grows lower, faster and lives longer, "often planted in lawns because it tolerates regular mowing and shade, and requires summer irrigation. Recommended by M. Fukuoka (The One Straw Revolution) for use in permanent vegetable and row crop plantings."
 
Endur0xX said:
Poo is truly everywhere in nature, only in much smaller amount... perhaps there might be a happy balance. Doesnt Poo have great beneficial microbes from being digested that you can't get through composted plant matter?
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Earth ahem worm castings! ;)
 
Rising Moon said:
Cool to see others undersowing legumes as well!!!

I do this with all my bigger veggie plants outside, and it keeps the weeds down as well as everything else mentioned.

Red clover is great, but, you should look into dutch white clover, it grows lower, faster and lives longer, "often planted in lawns because it tolerates regular mowing and shade, and requires summer irrigation. Recommended by M. Fukuoka (The One Straw Revolution) for use in permanent vegetable and row crop plantings."
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Thanks, yea I need to look that variety up, I'll have to turn to ordering online, I had just been grabbing what was avail. local and of course not much variety in the clover dept!

Its cool though, in some 2nd run no tills the clover is alive and kicking and new shoots chopping up thru the ewc topdress
 
+ WitchDoctor + said:
I used to have the same problem with not being able to absorb the information I was reading, until I started using cannabis concentrates. Now I've learned more about...everything...in the last 2 years than I have the rest of my life combined. Have you experimented with learning on different forms of cannabis? There are a lot of good studies coming out now about certain personality types experiencing better brain functioning on cannabis, certain strains obviously.

There isn't any video that I know of teaching veganics, only classes if you can get to one. But you don't really need a video teaching veganics, you just need to watch a video teaching organic gardening and a video teaching the soil food web and so on. That should be easier for you to find.

I also have not been able to get comparable yields with only plant-based methods, at least not yet. I took a page from some of my friends here in this thread and started using a liquid guano based product for the first 4 weeks of flower along with my normal nutrient schedule and added about .25 grams per watt to my yield on my blue dream. And guess what? It tasted just as sweet as the blue dream I grew without guano. The fact that I'm only using it the first half of flower may play into that, but I think a lot of us also started using teas and perfecting recipes around the time we started growing veganically and may have become a little biased to the methods. I think growing without poop and without animal products is really important, especially for the future, and I'll continue using plant based methods on most of my plants with the goal of getting matching yields to organic grows....but I've gotta admit it was nice to see a couple of branches the size of my forearm again, and still have the same great taste I'm used to. I'll be harvesting some Jilly Bean that also got guano for the first half of flower this weekend...I can't imagine it's not going to taste like candy lol.
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when you say you get a smaller yield veganic, is it without worm castings as well?

and say that my weed taste so good it`s some of the best I have ever smoked, would trying to grow veganic really improve the taste another step above?

I am not sold on smaller yield, please try to convert me or help me understand the veganic thing, I am very open minded and my diet is moslty raw vegan...

For my plant though I will always use EWC that is for sure.
 
Matt Rize said:
mushroom hunting... for that good good dirt.

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can you expand? Are you saying you go in the bush and bring back some goodies for your supersoil? (or base-soil whatever you do) if so, how do you go about it and what is it that you are looking for? THANKS!
 
I'm rocking the bio marine from GO this run, so not full veganic for me this time. I'm interested to see the difference in the Natures Nectar and the GO line...taste, flavor, resin, etc... Stay irie all!
 
sharpshoota said:
alright so i think i am on the right track, just not sure which bucket some supplements and zymes would go in...

So right now have the aereated bucket with nutrition (all bio series from canna) and supplemental nutes in one , and another aerated bucket in the other stuff like great white, molasses, humega (humic acid),

i have hygrozyme, seaplex, cannazyme, rhizo. as well, which bucket would they go??

also which bucket would be best for humbolt honey es? Im not using it yet, unless its not a bad idea, just curious.

damn i ask so many questions i might as well have you come over and grow my bud haha
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Cannazyme and Hygrozyme although slight different, are essentially the same thing. Could save you money to chose your prefered. Hygrozyme + Orchid CHampion(same companies) is the best enzyme / cleaning setup persoanlly.Rhizo is a great product, but without Bio-boost, ur missing part of your myco's. Plant Success "Soluble" NOT granuler Mycorrhizae is the best and is typically in Every myco you use already as they sell nutrients to big companies. Big companies add 1 or 2 useless strains of bacteria or fungis which are not full tested for marijuana or plant crops, some have and are added anyways. OMRI Veganic No Meals, Pure Extracts, 2week Flush. The way it was ment to be.

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Pacific North West. The land of Trees ;)
 
Pimpski - Kyle Kushman is offering up veganic seminars which would probably get you everything you need in a non-reading format. I just hope you have a serious memory because he dropped so much knowledge during 6 hours that all these NM growers heads were hurtin I could tell! I just attended one back in august and it elevated my grow skill much higher and confirmed what I was doing right already.

Witch - sup man. I am also bringing in guano again to help my yields. My plan is to reintroduce it in my mix and AACTs. I hear you about wanting some better nuggage again. I do not run co2 and am also upping the light intensity which should help too. My other non veganic stuff will be crab meal and fishbone meal also in the mix for Ca and P upgrades.

Endur0xX- dont say you are not sold on lower yields until you have sampled some amazing veganic resin. Dont take our word that it will take your meds a step or MORE higher, TRY IT; this thread is the guide. Some growers are pulling nice yield and density on here. I think Matt is implying that going out into the bush and finding natures energy in special spots and bringing those microbes back into our gardening systems. Use nature to help you out!
 
Ok, I want to try it! but I am confused because even you as a veganic guru, you are still using poop to help your yield and you tell me I shouldnt use any!! hehe

I am willing to try it, only if I can do it with a supersoil style, dont want to buy veganic bottled nutrients... I would like to try 1 or 2 containers to start with, if someone wants to post a recipe that I could use for my first try I will do it.


Do you keep buying nutrients for your AACTs or you can re-compost and re-use them ? Of course the overall food content would be diminished but we are just trying to grow a population of microbes right?
 
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