Jane Roe of ‘Roe v Wade’ Airs Anti-Obama Ad in Florida

[ChesusRice]

Ms. McCorvey, 46, has written her life story, with Andy Meisler, in "I Am Roe: My Life, Roe v. Wade and Freedom of Choice" (HarperCollins, 1994, $23), which besides telling its own rough tale, documents the making of the most unlikely role model in the history of the women's movement.
Her grandmother was a prostitute and fortuneteller. Her father was a television repairman, her mother an alcoholic. Part Cajun, part Cherokee Indian, and raised as a Jehovah's Witness, Norma Leah Nelson was 10 when she took money from the gas station where she worked to run away from home. After that, her education came from reform schools until the ninth grade. By the time she was 15, she had been sexually assaulted by a nun and a male relative of her mother's. At 16, she married an itinerant steel worker, Woody McCorvey, who, she says, beat her. She left him and returned to her mother's house in Dallas with plans to raise her unborn child alone.
But after her daughter, Melissa, was born and Ms. McCorvey confided in her mother that her sexual preference was for women, she says, her mother kidnapped Melissa, banished Ms. McCorvey from the house and raised her granddaughter herself. Ms. McCorvey writes that when she was drunk, her mother tricked her into signing adoption papers, giving away custody.
What followed for her were years of alcohol and drug abuse, and jobs as varied as bartender and carnival barker. After an affair with a co-worker resulted in a second pregnancy when she was 19, she gave the baby up for adoption. (Abortion was illegal in Texas in the late 1960's, and she had no money to go elsewhere).

 

[ChesusRice]

The two women met when Ms. Gonzalez caught Ms. McCorvey shoplifting groceries from a store where she worked. (She let her keep them.) "Norma has taught me a lot of things about people that I should have known, like, don't say yes if I mean no," Ms. Gonzalez says. "To just say what you feel. 'That dress is ugly.' 'Let me borrow something.' I was like somebody programmed to only say kind things. If my dad ever didn't know something, he would ask the priest, and if he didn't know, he would go to the library. No one would take a chance. When I met Norma, it was a chance after a chance. And it's true: if you don't take a chance you don't know nothing, don't learn nothing."
She remembers when Ms. McCorvey finally told her she was Jane Roe.
"She picked up the newspaper, twiddling her thumbs real nervous. And she told me about the Supreme Court decision. And I said, 'That's fantastic.' And she said, 'But you're a Catholic.' And I said: 'So what? I feel a woman's got the right to choose.' And she said, 'Well, I'm Jane Roe.' And I said, 'Yeah, and I'm the pope.'
"I said: 'I'm not mad at you. I'm proud as hell of you. Does your family know?' And she said no. And I said, 'You kept this a secret all these years?' She said, 'I had to.' And I hugged her and told her everything would be all right." She laughs. "Boy, was I wrong."
Ms. McCorvey has returned. "I was holed up here for 14 years," she says, recalling her fear that abortion opponents would try to kill her. After the 1989 shooting, she went to Northern California for a year, leaving Ms. Gonzalez behind.
"When I left, the TV movie 'Roe v. Wade' had just come out and we were at sorts with each other, scared to death from the gunshots," Ms. McCorvey says. "And the publicity started to bring us out. We're not like other lesbians, going to bars. We're lesbians by ourselves. We're homers.
"In 1989 I quit drinking and taking drugs, and in California I worked as a speaker. Me! I couldn't even tell my fourth-grade class how I spent my summer vacation without throwing up."
Which leads the conversation back to her mother, whom she last saw in February. Her parents are divorced and both live in Dallas.
"I wanted her to like me," she says. "That I would drive up in front of her house and she would say, 'Oh, Norma, it's so good to see you,' or 'I missed you.' But she'd call here and say, 'You filthy lesbian, what are you doing with those aborted fetuses at those clinics you work at?' "
Not only is her mother against abortion, Ms. McCorvey notes sadly, but so is her daughter, Melissa, who is now 29 and married. Since she is apparently trying to foster this relationship, she doesn't say more.

 

[ChesusRice]

what more do i need?

you admitted forcing her to have a baby under death threats

you boasted about making her see its in her best interest to do as you wish

you seemed surprise after that she had trouble bonding with kid immediately after birth (i'd google postnatal depression if i was you coupled with abusive partners who threaten to kill if they dont get their own way)

you've said after forcing her to go thru all of that that you keeping her away from her kid

from where i come from no matter the "totality of circumstances" that makes you a proper arsehole

yet here you are boasting

So would I get banned if considering everything budlover said
I think he is probably the biggest dick head I have ever met on the internet?

 

[budlover13]

So would I get banned if considering everything budlover said
I think he is probably the biggest dick head I have ever met on the internet?

i can be one's most loyal friend or the biggest asshole they've ever met.

With a few, i'm both

 

[ChesusRice]

i can be one's most loyal friend or the biggest asshole they've ever met.

With a few, i'm both

You sound unstable.
not quite parent material
Bi polar?

 

[budlover13]

You sound unstable.
not quite parent material
Bi polar?

Nope. ADD and OCD but no bi-polar in the mix

And all you gotta do is ask anyone who actually knows my (current) wife, ex-wife, son and i to confirm that i'm a better parent than the majority in this society.

 

[ChesusRice]

Nope. ADD and OCD but no bi-polar in the mix

And all you gotta do is ask anyone who actually knows my (current) wife, ex-wife, son and i to confirm that i'm a better parent than the majority in this society.

I'm pretty sure once a abusive spouse always a abusive spouse
I wouldnt ask your current victims anything unless they were in a safe enviroment away from you

 

[budlover13]

I'm pretty sure once a abusive spouse always a abusive spouse
I wouldnt ask your current victims anything unless they were in a safe enviroment away from you

Ask away lol.

 

[spandy]

I consider it murder if it stops a beating heart.

I couldn't agree more.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I couldn't agree more.

A beating heart does not define life.

Live organisms exist without hearts to beat.

Try again.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Padwan,
Yep, you just defined a liberal. Although my personal opinion is liberals are p-zombies.

 

[spandy]

A beating heart does not define life.

Live organisms exist without hearts to beat.

Try again.

I wasn't "trying" anything.

Nothing but semantic gymnastics to legalize the killing of the unborn.

It's alive inside the womb, it isn' growing by magic, its eating, producing waste, using oxygen, etc. Just because it hasn't met your defintion of life, or seen the outside of a vag, doesn't make it any less alive inside the womb.


I wont change your mind and you wont change mind. I'll just keep voting. So far, so good in this state, and thats all I can do at this point.

 

[Padawanbater2]

I wasn't "trying" anything.

Nothing but semantic gymnastics to legalize the killing of the unborn.

It's alive inside the womb, it isn' growing by magic, its eating, producing waste, using oxygen, etc. Just because it hasn't met your defintion of life, or seen the outside of a vag, doesn't make it any less alive inside the womb.


I wont change your mind and you wont change mind. I'll just keep voting. So far, so good in this state, and thats all I can do at this point.

As are sperm in the scrotum, and eggs being expelled every month via healthy periods. Potential life being wasted. Why no outcry for them?

Life -

noun


1. the condition that distinguishes organisms from inorganic objects and dead organisms, being manifested by growth through metabolism, reproduction, and the power of adaptation to environment through changes originating internally.


2. the sum of the distinguishing phenomena of organisms, especially metabolism, growth, reproduction, and adaptation to environment.

3. the animate existence or period of animate existence of an individual: to risk one's life; a short life and a merry one.

4. a corresponding state, existence, or principle of existence conceived of as belonging to the soul: eternal life.

5. the general or universal condition of human existence: Too bad, but life is like that.

 

[FlowerPower!]

I don't understand why this is so complicated! WHy can't there be a solution? Reduce the number of abortions per year or something

 

[ginwilly]

I agree that by constitutional definition, a baby is not a citizen until it's born. But arguing that it's not a life until it's born ignores science. Congrats to those making that argument. You are as batshit insane as the religious right and arguing based on ideology instead of science.

I've seen the argument also that it's not considered a life until the baby is viable and can survive outside the mother on it's own. How old is that, 8 years old? 13? 18? 26?

 

[NLXSK1]

I agree that by constitutional definition, a baby is not a citizen until it's born. But arguing that it's not a life until it's born ignores science. Congrats to those making that argument. You are as batshit insane as the religious right and arguing based on ideology instead of science.

I've seen the argument also that it's not considered a life until the baby is viable and can survive outside the mother on it's own. How old is that, 8 years old? 13? 18? 26?

I am sure there are some 40 year old men that cannot survive without their mother's...

And some of them post here

 

[Padawanbater2]

All I said was a heartbeat does not define life. There are plenty of organisms that are completely alive in every sense of the word which have no heart.

A separate set of standards is being used here to make the point. Completely inconsistent. That is not science.

 

[FreedomWorks]

[video=youtube;hSNGJd3wCes]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNGJd3wCes&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

 

[Padawanbater2]

[video=youtube;hSNGJd3wCes]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSNGJd3wCes&feature=player_detailpage[/video]

You already posted that, and this was the response;

Interesting what a little bit of research does..

CBN Correspondent David Brody: Real quick, the born alive infant protection act. I gotta tell you that’s the one thing I get a lot of emails about and it’s just not just from Evangelicals, it about Catholics, Protestants, main – they’re trying to understand it because there was some literature put out by the National Right to Life Committee. And they’re basically saying they felt like you misrepresented your position on that bill.

Obama: Let me clarify this right now.

Brody: Because it’s getting a lot of play.

Obama: Well and because they have not been telling the truth. And I hate to say that people are lying, but here’s a situation where folks are lying. I have said repeatedly that I would have been completely in, fully in support of the federal bill that everybody supported – which was to say – that you should provide assistance to any infant that was born – even if it was as a consequence of an induced abortion. That was not the bill that was presented at the state level. What that bill also was doing was trying to undermine Roe vs. Wade.

NRLC posted documents – which are so far undisputed – showing that Amendment 001 was adopted in committee and added the following text: "Nothing in this Section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being born alive as defined in this Section." That wording matches exactly the comparable provision in the federal law.

Obama campaign statement, June 30: Illinois And Federal Born Alive Infant Protection Acts Did Not Include Exactly The Same Language. The Illinois legislation read, "A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person and accorded immediate protection under the law." The Born Alive Infant Protections Act read, "Nothing in this section shall be construed to affirm, deny, expand, or contract any legal status or legal right applicable to any member of the species homo sapiens at any point prior to being ‘born alive’ as defined in this section." [SB 1082, Held in Health and Human Services, 3/13/03; Session Sine Die, 1/11/05; BAIPA, Public Law 107-207]

Obama, Senate floor, 2002: [A]dding a – an additional doctor who then has to be called in an emergency situation to come in and make these assessments is really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the physician to induce labor and perform an abortion. … I think it’s important to understand that this issue ultimately is about abortion and not live births.

Obama, Senate floor, 2001: Number one, whenever we define a previable fetus as a person that is protected by the equal protection clause or the other elements in the Constitution, what we’re really saying is, in fact, that they are persons that are entitled to the kinds of protections that would be provided to a – a child, a nine-month-old – child that was delivered to term. That determination then, essentially, if it was accepted by a court, would forbid abortions to take place. I mean, it – it would essentially bar abortions, because the equal protection clause does not allow somebody to kill a child, and if this is a child, then this would be an antiabortion statute.

Obama’s critics are free to speculate on his motives for voting against the bills, and postulate a lack of concern for babies’ welfare. But his stated reasons for opposing "born-alive" bills have to do with preserving abortion rights, a position he is known to support and has never hidden.



http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/obama-and-infanticide/

The Federal bill and the state bill were not the same, Obama was voting for womens rights.

 

[ginjawarrior]

"Keeping her away" lol. She left US. Yes, she left myself AND my son.

you were threatening her life and you think she should have stayed with you?? fuck me thats a strange view

you also said she's there for a weekend a month and is interested in seeing her son more yet your gonna fight her in court to stop that

And "boasting" isn't where i'm coming from. i'm TRYING to contribute my pov to this thread. TRYING to add a little reality from my perspective.

dont try to back away from it now i thought you were a man of your principles

your POV is one of an abusive partner that terrorised a women into being a baby making meat machine for you

Correct, unless it was MY speckled toad embryo.

i cannot read this post in any other way than an over possessive kid who's never been told no in his life