school shooting taft california

st0wandgrow

Well-Known Member
Well, if that's your attitude then we better ban cars because far more children are killed in car crashes than by guns.

Public safety?

General welfare?



no?

Erasers too, because a kid may choke on them, right?

This is a tired, worn out line. If I need to explain the difference between guns and toothbrushes to you, then I fear I may be wasting my time.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
nonsense.

common sense laws have lowered the number of DUI fatalities, we just have to do them.
Cars are not guns, either operationally or legally. Not a suitable comparison.
Also, a DUI arrestee is subject to punitive penalties including forfeiture of the vehicle. Nothing common-sense about that; in fact it's MADD as the proverbial hatter. cn
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Cars are not guns, either operationally or legally. Not a suitable comparison.
Also, a DUI arrestee is subject to punitive penalties including forfeiture of the vehicle. Nothing common-sense about that; in fact it's MADD as the proverbial hatter. cn
it's a perfectly apt comparison.
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
suppose lanza was pulled over on the way to the massacre.
Suppose he was.

If only there was a national registry of guns linked to owners then this would have been averted.

As it is, because the ~150 million lawful gun owners are not tracked like non-neutered pets, he gets pulled over with two loaded handguns and an AR15 next to him in the front seat and the cop claps him on the shoulder and gives him a donut and tells him to have a nice day. Right, buck?
 

Mr Neutron

Well-Known Member
Erasers too, because a kid may choke on them, right?

This is a tired, worn out line. If I need to explain the difference between guns and toothbrushes to you, then I fear I may be wasting my time.
But, but, but... I thought all your concern was about the greater good, the general welfare and public safety... no?

I did not realize that toothbrushes were so deadly... please, show me the evidence.
 

desert dude

Well-Known Member
nonsense.

common sense laws have lowered the number of DUI fatalities, we just have to do them.
Like roadside check points, where the cops stop you at night and shine a light in your eyes and make small talk while the other cop shines a flash light through the passenger side window and looks for anything that is forbidden, and the other cop walks around your car with a dog waiting for it, or maybe coaxing it, to alert?

We just need a total nanny/police state and then we will all be secure! Wheee!!!!
 

UncleBuck

Well-Known Member
Like roadside check points, where the cops stop you at night and shine a light in your eyes and make small talk while the other cop shines a flash light through the passenger side window and looks for anything that is forbidden, and the other cop walks around your car with a dog waiting for it, or maybe coaxing it, to alert?

We just need a total nanny/police state and then we will all be secure! Wheee!!!!
i was thinking more like ignition interlock devices for repeat offenders, massive fines, jail time, and the like.

but you go on with your senile, paranoid self old man.
 

NLXSK1

Well-Known Member
What If I steal one of your guns, you don't immediately notice it missing, and the police are called to my house for something unrelated and stumble upon the gun. How would they know that I'm the lawful owner of that gun without some type of registration process?
Ok, so the police are called to your house for something unrelated.. How exactly do they stumble on the gun? Are you so irresponsible that you leave firearms laying on the floor? Are you advocating cops get to search homes now to check that all guns are legal?

If you are already a criminal, the cops dont need to check the gun, you are in violation.

Therfore, you would need to be a legal citizen subject to unreasonable search and seizure and expectation of guilt for the police to have to check the weapons you have registered.

Are you really interested in a Nazi state? I would rather the police leave me the fuck alone...
 

echelon1k1

New Member
Aside from the issue of gun control, safety in schools is of paramount concern.

Why not consider the use of highly trained K-9's firstly as a deterent against guns & drugs, secondly as means of neutralising an active shooter or threat. They've been used for centuries as guard/protection dogs and we all know how far they come over time. They are one of the few, if not, only animals that can read our eyes and the intent behind them.

Obviously you would choose the right dogs (numbers depend on size) for the role as you'd require a confident, social, intelligent animal that is capable of moving through varying envionments with kids, adults, other dogs/animals while being able to identify/analyze/neutralise any possible threat. They can also sniff out weapons in bags or hidden in the buildings or on the grounds. Soldiers trust them with their lives in combat, maybe a nice way to retire military working dogs - Great hours 9-3, good holidays & lots of pats from the kids!

But don't mess with them;

[video=youtube;yadeRfqjMMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yadeRfqjMMM&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
finally, would it not make sense to give the above points some teeth, and introduce some severe penalties for anyone caught with a firearm not registered to them, or anyone selling a gun without conducting the proper background check?

This would certainly help to insure that weapons don't end up in the wrong hands, no?
Since guns are not registered in the USA, that would be a very severe penalty considering hundreds of millions of firearms are not registered to anyone.

How do you stop Billy Bob down the block from selling me his .45 without doing a background check on me?
 

NoDrama

Well-Known Member
Aside from the issue of gun control, safety in schools is of paramount concern.

Why not consider the use of highly trained K-9's firstly as a deterent against guns & drugs, secondly as means of neutralising an active shooter or threat. They've been used for centuries as guard/protection dogs and we all know how far they come over time. They are one of the few, if not, only animals that can read our eyes and the intent behind them.

Obviously you would choose the right dogs (numbers depend on size) for the role as you'd require a confident, social, intelligent animal that is capable of moving through varying envionments with kids, adults, other dogs/animals while being able to identify/analyze/neutralise any possible threat. They can also sniff out weapons in bags or hidden in the buildings or on the grounds. Soldiers trust them with their lives in combat, maybe a nice way to retire military working dogs - Great hours 9-3, good holidays & lots of pats from the kids!

But don't mess with them;

[video=youtube;yadeRfqjMMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yadeRfqjMMM&feature=youtu.be[/video]
Sounds great until one of the dogs tears a 5 year olds face off, then laws would have to be enacted banning dogs from schools. "Dog Free Zones" would have to be setup. Sounds like such a hassle.
 

fb360

Active Member
perhaps the fact that the rounds were in his pocket rather than in the gun ready to shoot means there was only 2 victims rather than the many more it could have been

is this a case of california's gun laws helping in part to stop this being worse?
You mean like the law to not let a minor have a gun? Naw, didn't seem to help out much bro
 
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