I'm getting extremely tired of this "medical" front people are using.

Canna Connoiseur

Canna Connoiseur

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We spend billions of dollars on the war on drugs. Most the criminals incarcerated are in because of marijuana related issues. It costs every inmate 32k a year to take care and feed them. Think about the amount of money the gov't will be saving instantly. The possibilities are endless. There are multitudes of agriculture full legalization could produce. Boost in the economy and we can bring some more jobs into our own country.
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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Canna Connoiseur said:
We spend billions of dollars on the war on drugs. Most the criminals incarcerated are in because of marijuana related issues. It costs every inmate 32k a year to take care and feed them. Think about the amount of money the gov't will be saving instantly. The possibilities are endless. There are multitudes of agriculture full legalization could produce. Boost in the economy and we can bring some more jobs into our own country.
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You seem to be under the false notion that the politicians in office care about the good of the country.
 
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ChesusRice

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mr2shim said:
Isn't that what they did in Washington? You can possess it but not grow it. Basically giving the torch to big tobacco.
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I'm not sure
But I know in Arizona if they open a dispensarie you cannot grow within 25 miles of it.
Like WTF?!!!!!
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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ChesusRice said:
I'm not sure
But I know in Arizona if they open a dispensarie you cannot grow within 25 miles of it.
Like WTF?!!!!!
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It was more of a rhetorical question. They did that actually. Citizens can't grow. But I bet you some big corporation will show up and start rolling out perfect joints. All they need to do is make sure the Fed won't get in the way and I believe they're working on a bill. Something like in states that have passed legalization bills the DEA can't come after them.

sniffer said:
we can fire the politicians if need be
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We could, but we'll just hire someone else looking to get rich off lobbyists.
 
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ChesusRice

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mr2shim said:
It was more of a rhetorical question. They did that actually. Citizens can't grow. But I bet you some big corporation will show up and start rolling out perfect joints. All they need to do is make sure the Fed won't get in the way and I believe they're working on a bill. Something like in states that have passed legalization bills the DEA can't come after them.



We could, but we'll just hire someone else looking to get rich off lobbyists.
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As soon as big business gets in they will demand regulation
Not because Big Tobacco is altruistic
But just to make it illegal to grow your own

Did you know you cannot grow and sell your own tobacco easily?
 
mr2shim

mr2shim

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ChesusRice said:
As soon as big business gets in they will demand regulation
Not because Big Tobacco is altruistic
But just to make it illegal to grow your own

Did you know you cannot grow and sell your own tobacco easily?
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Oh, I know. You can make your own alcohol but you'll catch hell trying to sell it. Washintgon state is going to be the beginning of perfectly manufactured joints.
 
abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Washington went from medical to legal, so the idea that medical is an obstruction to legal clearly isn't born out of the few anecdotes that can be pointed to. Also, the idea that "most card holders are just trying to get high" is an opinion, nothing more.
 
cannabineer

cannabineer

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mr2shim said:
You compared alcohol(ethanol; manufactured substance) to a plant indigenous to this planet. If that's not flawed I have no idea what is.
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Alcohol is quite natural too ... yeast plus sugar = alcohol, and it happens in nature. You should have seen the robins at a house I once owned ... they chose their day in spring and then had a party. They got so shitfaced on fermented Pyracantha berries that they would stagger around the back yard until they regained enough of their balance to fly off sort of sideways. That day we'd still get two, three bird-shaped dust prints on our kitchen sliding door.

But alcohol is natural, and like weed has its place both medicinally (although more modern compounds have taken over most of its medicinal qualities) and for simple intoxication. I cannot see placing weed morally either above or below alcohol. cn
 
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psilocybindude

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To say that medical marijuana was not the correct path to take towards legalization is ridicules, 2 out of the only 2 states to go legal were medical states, and since 1996 when California started the medical movement 18 something states have followed in suite, the medical marijuana movement has opened the doors for conversation about marijuana and gotten people used to it, we even have net works like discovery channel and natgeo picking up programing that shows the industry in an unbiased manor and opens the doors to conversation about the subject, if you guys think we would be any where near where we are by now with out medical marijuana you are crazy.

And another thing you guys are correct the doors of marijuana are going to be opened to big business but that is an unavoidable part of capitalism, i would prefer this industry be kept in mom and pop grow shops because i believe it better serves the economy but the fact is that its just not going to happen, big business is going to come in and take every thing over because that is what big business does...
 
tumorhead

tumorhead

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mr2shim said:
Oh, I know. You can make your own alcohol but you'll catch hell trying to sell it. Washintgon state is going to be the beginning of perfectly manufactured joints.
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They already have them at dispensaries(Seattle), perfectly rolled like a cigarette, boxes of them, but they sell individually for $5, and I took one apart thinking it's probably shake and it was solid bud.

The dispensary has real products being produced somewhere, they sell bottled herb sodas and packaged edibles in normal commercial sealed packaging like an energy bar. Even a gram of kief and bubble hash for $15-$20 comes in a container with a screw top lid.
 
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ChesusRice

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psilocybindude said:
To say that medical marijuana was not the correct path to take towards legalization is ridicules, 2 out of the only 2 states to go legal were medical states, and since 1996 when California started the medical movement 18 something states have followed in suite, the medical marijuana movement has opened the doors for conversation about marijuana and gotten people used to it, we even have net works like discovery channel and natgeo picking up programing that shows the industry in an unbiased manor and opens the doors to conversation about the subject, if you guys think we would be any where near where we are by now with out medical marijuana you are crazy.

And another thing you guys are correct the doors of marijuana are going to be opened to big business but that is an unavoidable part of capitalism, i would prefer this industry be kept in mom and pop grow shops because i believe it better serves the economy but the fact is that its just not going to happen, big business is going to come in and take every thing over because that is what big business does...
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How come everyone forgets about Alaska being decrimanalized to grow personal 20 years ago?
And if there is NO money in it

How about Legal to grow and posses
Illegal to Grow?


Now big business and the goverment wont get involved
 
fb360

fb360

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NietzscheKeen said:
Facts have little to do with logic.
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Again false...

Logic is based on truths (facts), and so is reasoning. If x then y. That's a fact. If x happens, y happens, everytime. If you roll a die you have a 1/6 chance to get any value. Fact. Please refute.

Do you even know what logic is? Why don't you check here, I literally design the circuits that create "logic".
I fully understand every level of abstraction of logic. From the nano scale MOSFETS we use to create "1", "0" values, to the high level of comprehending that if I smoke pot, I will receive the medicinal effects regardless of if I intend to.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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NietzscheKeen said:
There is no real criteria for it; anyone can go to a certain "Dr." and say they feel better when smoking it and boom... you've got your rec. Every time I hear someone use the word "medicate" or "medicine" I want to punch them in their mouth. Most people feel better when they smoke, otherwise people wouldn't take all the risks and spend all the money to get it, but to call it medicine is just a cop out and an insult to the few people that could legitimately use it medicinally. Please just say you're getting stoned instead of "medicating".

Just because something makes you feel good doesn't make it medicine. I guess I could start referring to Johnny Walker Black as "medicine" cuz I feel better when I drink than when I don't. I'm sure that 95% of you people that "medicate" don't need it and if you argue that it helps with anxiety, etc. Well, they make pills for that. Marijuana is for people with AIDs, Cancer, Fibromyalgia and so on.

Ok, rant over. Thanks!
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i'm gonna go medicate with some of my medicine, my cannabis medicine. gonna smoke it all up and medicate.
 
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