UncleBuck
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you poor, poor slave. tell us all about how difficult it is to be a slave, you whiny little bitch.ALSO:.....
Has the American Government become Tyrannical?
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UncleBuck
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says the douchebag who relies on a government disability check, medicaid, and food stamps.
UncleBuck
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it wouldn't be in israel's self interest to be anything but collectivist.
it's a counterexample that proves you wrong. again.
Rob Roy
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Self interest ? Hmm, how can this "self interest" of a country of millions of different people cross the barrier of those same individuals with many independent points of view?
You imagine that these people all shit at the same time, all take their coffee with cream and two sugars and all believe in the same magic man in the sky? How does that happen, Archie ?
GOD HERE
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Buck where are you politically? I'd pin you for a liberal, but some things you say seem to lean right.
Rob Roy
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He believes that might makes right. That could make him a member of either cult.
Dr Kynes
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yes, we all know thats what you do when you cannot argue against the statement and it's factual nature, you fap vigorously, give yourself a French Mistake (moneyshot in your own eye) and then post an image with no commentary, no context and no ideas behind it.
self-indulgent image-only posts may make you feel like youre "pwning" somebody but in fact you are simply taking up space with yourt juvenile antics.
not that i oppose juvenile antics. and at least this one was humorous.
Dr Kynes
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rob doesnt understand why anyone would value anything more than his own self-interest.
he indulges in the lysander spooner school of thought which places the personal desire for immediate gratification over any other consideration, and rejects anyone who actually believes in anything which does not have any immediately apparent self-interest at it's heart.
he seems to be otherwise sensible, but his deliberate obtuseness over matters of faith, dedication and devotion to any idea outside his narrow world-view is frustrating.
Rob Roy
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Good Doctor, please brush up on the non initiation of aggression principle. Peace. Thank you for the pictures of smurfy ponies...Uncle Buck seems to be on pony picture strike and THAT really hurts.
Doer
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Oh, of course, there is the theory of non-initiation of aggression. Is it a personal principle of mine, well, yes! But, it is not that simple. Those words are as slippery as all words are. And that is just in English.
I don't indulge in hypothetical. But, all of this depends on that one set of people NOT being very sneaky, indeed. In other words trust. Why?
There is no evidence that we can even trust each other very far. And if you don't think the wolves would love move in, I say they are. But, we treat wolves with kindness. Most will get it. It's better if we just put this "the big govt is tyranny" on the shelf. It ain't so. We attempt to absorb the bad out of these Bronze Age cultures, like mercy killing and honor killing.
All the while we refuse to even acknowledge Sharia as anything but a personal preference. Not mitigating, not damning...absorbed. Just one example of one element. We are busy absorbing racism, sexism, as best we can.
Because we can't afford to simply trust; thus the need for five kinds of spy. Is that non- or not? Is it aggression, per se?
Of course it is. No theory will work. Only the constant gnawing on self evident Rights.
That is only one thing. Self Sovereign Self Interest. Self Govt.
I don't indulge in hypothetical. But, all of this depends on that one set of people NOT being very sneaky, indeed. In other words trust. Why?
There is no evidence that we can even trust each other very far. And if you don't think the wolves would love move in, I say they are. But, we treat wolves with kindness. Most will get it. It's better if we just put this "the big govt is tyranny" on the shelf. It ain't so. We attempt to absorb the bad out of these Bronze Age cultures, like mercy killing and honor killing.
All the while we refuse to even acknowledge Sharia as anything but a personal preference. Not mitigating, not damning...absorbed. Just one example of one element. We are busy absorbing racism, sexism, as best we can.
Because we can't afford to simply trust; thus the need for five kinds of spy. Is that non- or not? Is it aggression, per se?
Of course it is. No theory will work. Only the constant gnawing on self evident Rights.
That is only one thing. Self Sovereign Self Interest. Self Govt.
Dr Kynes
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i agree 100%, initiating violence is wrong, stealing other people's shit is wrong too, kidnapping, raping and murdering lollies is wrong too. my personal conviction to not start shit doesnt do anything to stop those who DO want to start shit from in fact Starting Shit.
i may be able to defend myself, but not everybody can, and thus we need gendarmes to defend the helpless, and these gendarmes are often abused by political hucksters and they are often ordered to enforce bullshit laws, and the GOOD cops think this sucks, but they cannot say it in public. likewise simply refusing to accept the authority od the cops which WE have given them does not help protect the lollies Richard Alan Davis intends to rape and murder, nor does it help you in any way to reclaim the rights you think are being infringed.
if we were all my little pony type innocent childlike doofuses we would not need cops, and we would not have dumbass laws that intrude for no explicable reason, but we would also be easily dominated and controlled by the first asshole who finds his way into our hidden paradise of innocence and childlike wonder. and ponies.
then equestria would be naught but the feifdom of our new warlord and we would all be helpless serfs pulling a plow and applebucking for the warlord's pleasure. plus the warlord would probably be fucking fluttershy and pinkie pie.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I am embarrassed. i meant the opposite of proponent. If I remember, von Mises dodn't like socialism.
I remain curious. GOD implied that outside the US and its immediate sphere of influence, libertarianism was wound onto a socialist core. I would love to know how that works. cn
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Allow me to ask you, Rob Roy ... there is one thing about the nonaggression principle that i do not understand. How to arrive at a physicist's definition of aggression that applies to everyone ... and then how to respond to those who would subvert it for personal gain without any coercion (the other anathema)? cn
GOD HERE
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Well I pulled my source from the pit of hell to appease any Beck fans out there like Keynes. All it takes is a simple google search.
http://www.conservapedia.com/Libertarianism
"Outside the United States, the term "libertarian" refers to left-wing anarchism."
btw I didn't implicitly call it socialism, I mentioned syndicalism as well. Communism also falls under that banner even more often than syndicalism does since it's now a minority philosophy.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Perhaps my problem is that I viscerally don't get anarchism of any stripe. It cannot work within the frame of what I believe I know about human nature. cn
GOD HERE
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I used to fell that way too, the more I learned about it the more it grew on me. It's basically just the absence of hierarchy applied within an existing system.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
With apologies, that doesn't work. All existing systems are hierarchic to some degree. Remove all hierarchy, and the system loses all meaning and capacity for effect. My opinion. cn
Canna Sylvan
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Doc,
Who protects me from the police?
I don't harm anyone, including myself, when I smoke the reefer. Yet if the police could, they'd stick that pipe of mine up my ass.
Again, I'd rather not have pipes up my ass. Especially just moments after toking. It really burns
Who protects me from the police?
I don't harm anyone, including myself, when I smoke the reefer. Yet if the police could, they'd stick that pipe of mine up my ass.
Again, I'd rather not have pipes up my ass. Especially just moments after toking. It really burns
GOD HERE
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Not true, but that's a whole other talk. I'm a libertarian, not a purist on the anarchist front. If you want to understand how it would work, it never hurts to read.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
I do like to read, but I have never found a screed, either sociaist or libertarian, that sufficiently accounts for plain human nastiness. Both systems seem to require team spirit, and I accept as axiom that there will be one or more people on the team surveying it for strip-mining.
If you can recommend a place to start ... cn