Has the American Government become Tyrannical?

[UncleBuck]

Self interest ? Hmm, how can this "self interest" of a country of millions of different people cross the barrier of those same individuals with many independent points of view?

yeah, i imagine there's plenty of israelis who probably wake up preferring to be wiped from the page of history. i bet 90% or so hold that in their self interest

are you seriously retarded? serious question. you only ever have one argument, really. and basically everything you say is fail.

 

[UncleBuck]

He believes that might makes right. That could make him a member of either cult.

no, i just find you to be a childish, freeloading mooch who drones on like a broken record.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Doc,

Who protects me from the police?

I don't harm anyone, including myself, when I smoke the reefer. Yet if the police could, they'd stick that pipe of mine up my ass.

Again, I'd rather not have pipes up my ass. Especially just moments after toking. It really burns

and that, my dear bunny wabbit is why we have a constitution.

when operating as written our constitution limits the power of the gvernment and restrains the assholes who might gain political power in spite of the informed electorate's votes (such as say, a fawning press concealing crucially important details about the candidate's life, history, views and capability for the office until their chosen candidate is safely ensconced within the office... sound familiar?)

unfortunately our constitution is not functioning due to the actions of politicians, judges, the press and the money men who pay them off, resulting in a government more interested in the prosperity of wall street than adhering to founding principles.

and it all happens in plain sight of the electorate who are simply told, "This is for your own good, now go back an consume."

 

[Doer]

I used to fell that way too, the more I learned about it the more it grew on me. It's basically just the absence of hierarchy applied within an existing system.

Impossible. It can't be done and it never has been done. It ain't human, and it ain't even mammal. It is just pipe dreams, this non-hierarchy. Everything is in hierarchy. Your brain is stacked in hierarchy. You were born into it. It cannot be escaped simply because there is nothing to escape from, except these day dreams. Go read my posts about the fur traders and about how personal capital begins before and causes the markers, money, furs, riches, women, family and other various pursuit of happiness to occur. You personal standing in the hierarchy of society is very, very important to you, right now. It's Not how much standing. That dogs us our entire lives. But, where is your place, if any? It's the life of the mind, brother. Right now.

Hierarchy is natural. Hierarchy will stamp out anarchy every time before it can even start. It will not be allowed to exist. So, it has never existed. It ain't natural.

 

[GOD HERE]

Impossible. It can't be done and it never has been done. It ain't human, and it ain't even mammal. It is just pipe dreams, this non-hierarchy. Everything is in hierarchy. Your brain is stacked in hierarchy. You were born into it. It cannot be escaped simply because there is nothing to escape from, except these day dreams. Go read my posts about the fur traders and about personal capital begins before and causes the markers, money, furs, riches, women, family and other various persuit of happiness to occur.

Heirarchy is natural. Anarchy will be stamped out by hierarchy every time before it can even start. It will not be allow to exist. So, it has never existed. It ain't natural.

As far as I know other mammals have yet to develop democracy. I'm not looking to get into another argument but yes it is possible, yes it has been done (in communities not countries) and yes it works quite well until it's stamped out. Saying you know something to be fact without knowing anything of the sort is a waste of everyone's time.

 

[Canna Sylvan]

Doer,

Anarchy only means without government, not without hierarchy. It's very possible to have private parties who will provide a limited form of a government like function.

You sound like those bible thumpers who claim morality cannot exist without god. No offense intended, I mean it.

I hear the argument all the time, "what happens if this private entity becomes corrupt." Seriously? What about if government becomes corrupt?

 

[UncleBuck]

Anarchy only means without government, not without hierarchy. It's very possible to have private parties who will provide a limited form of a government like function.

replacing government with government. so ingenious.

 

[GOD HERE]

Doer,

Anarchy only means without government, not without hierarchy. It's very possible to have private parties who will provide a limited form of a government like function.

You sound like those bible thumpers who claim morality cannot exist without god. No offense intended, I mean it.


I hear the argument all the time, "what happens if this private entity becomes corrupt." Seriously? What about if government becomes corrupt?

Look I'm not some far left anarchist, I'm just trying to give a fair explanation here. I believe in protection from government, not the abolition of it.

First off Canna, everything you said there was right except one. Those are both possibilities that should be given equal consideration. The only point that's off is that in Anarchy there wouldn't be any private parties, it would be a directly democratic system that would avoid any forms of consolidated power, whether they be private or state. As for that bible thumper comment, you have to realize that you guys cling to capitalism like any other system is certain death. That sounds more like fanaticism to me than giving a fair explanation of a political ideology that I don't even adhere to.

Buck your comment was second. Anarchy doesn't replace government with government.

I feel like I'm catching a lot of flack here for just explaining a concept. If you have a problem with Anarchism go argue with Chomsky.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Look I'm not some far left anarchist, I'm just trying to give a fair explanation here. I believe in protection from government, not the abolition of it.

First off Canna, everything you said there was right except one. Those are both possibilities that should be given equal consideration. The only point that's off is that in Anarchy there wouldn't be any private parties, it would be a directly democratic system that would avoid any forms of consolidated power, whether they be private or state. As for that bible thumper comment, you have to realize that you guys cling to capitalism like any other system is certain death. That sounds more like fanaticism to me than giving a fair explanation of a political ideology that I don't even adhere to.

Buck your comment was second. Anarchy doesn't replace government with government.

I feel like I'm catching a lot of flack here for just explaining a concept. If you have a problem with Anarchism go argue with Chomsky.

anarchism is NOT democracy, not even Direct Democracy. anarchy is NO RULES thats why it's called that. anarchy is chaos, the total breakdown of all society and reversion to savagery fallout 3 style, and eventaully the power vacuum will be filled by strongmen, warlords, or some new power to establish it's dominance for it's own benefit, and to the detriment of the people who are now subject to that domination.

on the upside, our new Overdog will probably line up the Occupy-tards against a wall and shoot them. so the future will at least be less whiney.

 

[fb360]

Allow me to ask you, Rob Roy ... there is one thing about the nonaggression principle that i do not understand. How to arrive at a physicist's definition of aggression that applies to everyone ... and then how to respond to those who would subvert it for personal gain without any coercion (the other anathema)? cn

A physicists definition? You mean like city sized rocks smashing into other city sized rocks in interstellar medium?

 

[Dr Kynes]

A physicists definition? You mean like city sized rocks smashing into other city sized rocks in interstellar medium?

actually i think he's looking for something along the lines of Spherical Chickens Laying Eggs in a Vacuum..

 

[fb360]

actually i think he's looking for something along the lines of Spherical Chickens Laying Eggs in a Vacuum..

I was giving my own definition..

 

[Doer]

As far as I know other mammals have yet to develop democracy. I'm not looking to get into another argument but yes it is possible, yes it has been done (in communities not countries) and yes it works quite well until it's stamped out. Saying you know something to be fact without knowing anything of the sort is a waste of everyone's time.

Hey bonehead. Is hierarchy the same as democracy to you? So, I didn't say other manual have democracy, did I? Mammals are in hierarchy, as is your brain if you would use it.

You are wasting your eyeballs by attending this forum, but you are not wasting my time.

Give me one single example where it was working quite well until hierarchy got there. You cannot. So, who knows nothing?

 

[Doer]

Look I'm not some far left anarchist, I'm just trying to give a fair explanation here. I believe in protection from government, not the abolition of it.

First off Canna, everything you said there was right except one. Those are both possibilities that should be given equal consideration. The only point that's off is that in Anarchy there wouldn't be any private parties, it would be a directly democratic system that would avoid any forms of consolidated power, whether they be private or state. As for that bible thumper comment, you have to realize that you guys cling to capitalism like any other system is certain death. That sounds more like fanaticism to me than giving a fair explanation of a political ideology that I don't even adhere to.

Buck your comment was second. Anarchy doesn't replace government with government.

I feel like I'm catching a lot of flack here for just explaining a concept. If you have a problem with Anarchism go argue with Chomsky.

You are trying to explain Chomsky and I'm telling you it is impossible so it can't be explained...only theorized about.

Give one example.

BTW, I can't explain this over and over. Go back and look it up if you care.

Capital is not an -ism. It's not a theory to be compared and shit on like Marxism.

That's the root of your misunderstanding.

And Canna, what I sound like to you is not at all what I have written.

God is a theory. Marxism and Anarchy are theory.

Capital is not. Hierarchy is not theory.

And HERE-boy, you are talking about mob rule. "direct action democracy" is some kind of mobs' instant incited flash opinion rule. IMPOSSIBLE>

 

[GOD HERE]

anarchism is NOT democracy, not even Direct Democracy. anarchy is NO RULES thats why it's called that. anarchy is chaos, the total breakdown of all society and reversion to savagery fallout 3 style, and eventaully the power vacuum will be filled by strongmen, warlords, or some new power to establish it's dominance for it's own benefit, and to the detriment of the people who are now subject to that domination.

on the upside, our new Overdog will probably line up the Occupy-tards against a wall and shoot them. so the future will at least be less whiney.

No actually its not. You realize you can't just make shit up right? Because that seems to be a reoccurring thing with you. There are established definitions for words. Your not 5, you don't get to change their meaning. As for that other part... Check yourself into a mental hospital man, you have some serious fuckin issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

 

[Doer]

Well, what are you making up? You get flak and you blame Chomsky.

There is not one single example of this being real, this vaulted Anarchy.

 

[Dr Kynes]

No actually its not. You realize you can't just make shit up right? Because that seems to be a reoccurring thing with you. There are established definitions for words. Your not 5, you don't get to change their meaning. As for that other part... Check yourself into a mental hospital man, you have some serious fuckin issues.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism

[h=3]an·ar·chy[/h]/ˈanərkē/

Noun A state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority. Absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

Synonyms chaos - misrule - anarchism

HA HA HA HA HA!

Anarchy. a from the greek.

AN - No

ARCHY - rule/rulers

you may drink the kool-aide of the occupy fools and their "im an anarchist" whinges, but anarchy is still and always has been a petulant temper tantrum from emo kids and people who think an actual political position is "Just Too Mainstream"

i am not making shit up, the fools feeding you your beliefs are.

YOU do not get to bitch about "established definitions of words" since YOU are the one who apparently does not have a dictionary (despite their being free on the googles...)

if you think people who can read and comprehend the definition of a word and understand it's use are insane and need to be committed then you are fucking nutty as squirrel shit.

 

[Dr Kynes]

an·ar·chy (

n

r-k

)n. pl. an·ar·chies 1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
[New Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhi

, from anarkhos, without a ruler : an-, without; see a-[SUP]1[/SUP] + arkhos, ruler; see -arch.]

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an·ar·chy

[an-er-kee] Show IPA
noun 1. a state of society without government or law.

2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy. Synonyms: lawlessness, disruption, turmoil.

3. anarchism ( def 1 ) .

4. lack of obedience to an authority; insubordination: the anarchy of his rebellious teenage years.

5. confusion and disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith. It was impossible to find the book I was looking for in the anarchy of his bookshelves. Synonyms: chaos, disruption, turbulence; license; disorganization, disintegration.
Origin:
1530&#8211;40; (< Middle French anarchie or Medieval Latin anarchia ) < Greek, anarchía lawlessness, literally, lack of a leader, equivalent to ánarch ( os ) leaderless ( an- an-[SUP]1 [/SUP] + arch ( ós ) leader + -os adj. suffix) + -ia -y[SUP]3 [/SUP]

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an·ar·chism

[an-er-kiz-uh

m] Show IPA
noun 1. a doctrine urging the abolition of government or governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full social and political liberty.

2. the methods or practices of anarchists, as the use of violence to undermine government.

3. anarchy.






but yeah im just making this shit up.

OR

youre not very well educated

OR

youre a lying turd trying to bullshit your way out of the word-trap you have constructed around yourself.

 

[GOD HERE]

an·ar·chy (

n

r-k

)n. pl. an·ar·chies 1. Absence of any form of political authority.
2. Political disorder and confusion.
3. Absence of any cohesive principle, such as a common standard or purpose.
[New Latin anarchia, from Greek anarkhi

, from anarkhos, without a ruler : an-, without; see a-[SUP]1[/SUP] + arkhos, ruler; see -arch.]

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an·ar·chy

[an-er-kee] Show IPA
noun 1. a state of society without government or law.

2. political and social disorder due to the absence of governmental control: The death of the king was followed by a year of anarchy. Synonyms: lawlessness, disruption, turmoil.

3. anarchism ( def 1 ) .

4. lack of obedience to an authority; insubordination: the anarchy of his rebellious teenage years.

5. confusion and disorder: Intellectual and moral anarchy followed his loss of faith. It was impossible to find the book I was looking for in the anarchy of his bookshelves. Synonyms: chaos, disruption, turbulence; license; disorganization, disintegration.
Origin:
1530&#8211;40; (< Middle French anarchie or Medieval Latin anarchia ) < Greek, anarchía lawlessness, literally, lack of a leader, equivalent to ánarch ( os ) leaderless ( an- an-[SUP]1 [/SUP] + arch ( ós ) leader + -os adj. suffix) + -ia -y[SUP]3 [/SUP]

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an·ar·chism

[an-er-kiz-uh

m] Show IPA
noun 1. a doctrine urging the abolition of government or governmental restraint as the indispensable condition for full social and political liberty.

2. the methods or practices of anarchists, as the use of violence to undermine government.

3. anarchy.






but yeah im just making this shit up.

OR

youre not very well educated

OR

youre a lying turd trying to bullshit your way out of the word-trap you have constructed around yourself.

First off, your hostility makes you look like a complete prick. Second off, a lack of hierarchy is not disorder. It's organized by voluntary associations. That's the whole point. It's not savagery. It's not fallout 3 or whatever shit you were talking about. It's simply another idea that some people still perpetuate.

And for the last time, I'm not an Anarchist, I'm just trying to get through to you what the idea of anarchy actually is, rather than your right wing slanted view on it.
I realize in your mind I'm on the left and you're on the right and that's not going to change. You don't need to be a prick just to be a prick, and honestly I don't really enjoy arguing especially over something that can be easily resolved. If you wanna go off and be Joe McCarthy, be my guest. Otherwise, I don't see a reason to have a fight over something like this. You're looking for a fight because you have some weird need to be some internet strongman, and I don't. I'm not down for some pointless back and forth with someone who is convinced that he is right because he read something from a clearly biased source. If you want to have a calm and reasonable discussion about politics, I'm always down for that.

 

[Doer]

OK...look. Fallout 3 is a video game. Clear enough.
What you even mention as plausible in the same context as the other -ism, will not work, and has never worked. It's never been tried and it is not allowed.

So, to support that side, as you seem, in the forum....this is disagreement. I don't condone the mud names, but, if if hurts you, then....I don't see how. You are proposing mafia, warlord, union thug. It doesn't matter that it's "supposed to be, <wink>" just volunteer interlocking associations.
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I'm your worst nightmare. Voluntary? I got yer voluntary, right here. OK OK, don't kill him, boys.

There is still the small matter of dues to the association, run by, me...see. We'll uh, well..we start you at 20 a week.

Put back the wallet, dope, not dollars. 20 points. Upfront...now. Bring your books.
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Think about it. What you see is a visceral reaction. We crawled up through the slime of anarchy and got finally to here.

To mutter it is verminous, to me. <eewwww>