All noobs read this before switching your light on please.

Lemon king

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i understand i am newish to this site, and maybe i should put pics up of my trees and said oi every one look i can grow weed, to try to earn some of your respect, however im not that type of man and it was not the point of the op!!
 

Kite High

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SOME HOW THIS HAS TURNED INTO A COMPETION OF who can put the best pic of there buds up. all of these negative comments are taking away from the fact none of you have tried this method and none of you know it works, and thats fine you can be set in your ways, dosent mean everyone else has too.

p.s if im just saying (an i am) your buds are some of the skinniest i have seen in ages thank the stars I didnt study botany :)
well 7 weeks later they were big as bats idiot...and it is a sativa dom not a dumbing down indica ....like I said when you actually know what you are talking about holla at me...you steadily prove you dont know a thing
 

Lemon king

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have fun with your yellow plants...see ya
ill give you a tip the fan leafs do that come harvest time, it would mean that i was doing my job right and the plant would be shedding its leafs as it prepares to die and my flushing technique is spot on!

or maybe not eh....who knows, ta da mate!!!
 

Lemon king

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well 7 weeks later they were big as bats idiot...and it is a sativa dom not a dumbing down indica ....like I said when you actually know what you are talking about holla at me...you steadily prove you dont know a thing
SUPER LEMON HAZE, clue would be in the HAZE!

anyways mate i thought you were gone. lets not bump heads, this method aint for you but just maybe a handfull of growers might try it and be better of eh!

(oh an when it catches on fast like curry through a piss head, you can try and bully some noob into it by acting like this is your forum and any ideas you do not like must be total bollox or you could go away and work on your pruning skills so you do not need to under light / light your girls with a million watts to get "bat colas", let the big boys have a real discussion while you be a good boy an go tug your pipe in the corner
 

Kite High

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ill give you a tip the fan leafs do that come harvest time, it would mean that i was doing my job right and the plant would be shedding its leafs as it prepares to die and my flushing technique is spot on!

or maybe not eh....who knows, ta da mate!!!
mine dont...green to the end...flushing is for toilets...cannabis growers are the only fools with this flushing plants and causing deficiencies improves the plant...not a single other type of horti practices this stupid drill because it is so ridiculous...

here try to learn something if you can
"Advanced - Flushing

A critical look at preharvest flushing

Pre harvest flushing is a controversial topic. Flushing is supposed to improve taste of the final bud by either giving only pure water, clearing solutions or extensive flushing for the last 7-14 days of flowering. While many growers claim a positive effect, others deny any positive influence or even suggest reduced yield and quality.

The theory of pre harvest flushing is to remove nutrients from the grow medium/root zone. A lack of nutrients creates a deficiency, forcing the plant to translocate and use up its internal nutrient compounds.

Nutrient fundamentals and uptake:

A good read about plant nutrition can be found here.

Until recently it was common thought that all nutrients are absorbed by plant roots as ions of mineral elements. However in newer studies more and more evidence emerged that additionally plant roots are capable of taking up complex organic molecules like amino acids directly thus bypassing the mineralization process.

The major nutrient uptake processes are:

1) Active transport mechanism into root hairs (the plant has to put energy in it, ATP driven) which is selective to some degree. This is one way the plant (being immobile) can adjust to the environment.

2) Passive transport (diffusion) through symplast to endodermis.

http://www.biol.sc.edu/courses/bio102/f99-3637.html

http://www.hort.wisc.edu/cran/Publications/2001 Proceedings/min_nutr.pdf

The claim only ‘chemical’ ferted plants need to be flushed should be taken with a grain of salt. Organic and synthetic ferted plants take up mineral ions alike, probably to a different degree though. Many influences play key roles in the taste and flavor of the final bud, like the nutrition balance and strength throughout the entire life cycle of the plant, the drying and curing process and other environmental conditions.

3) Active transport mechanism of organic molecules into root hairs via endocytosis.

http://acd.ucar.edu/~eholland/encyc6.html

Here is a simplified overview of nutrient functions:

Nitrogen is needed to build chlorophyll, amino acids, and proteins. Phosphorus is necessary for photosynthesis and other growth processes. Potassium is utilized to form sugar and starch and to activate enzymes. Magnesium also plays a role in activating enzymes and is part of chlorophyll. Calcium is used during cell growth and division and is part of the cell wall. Sulfur is part of amino acids and proteins.

Plants also require trace elements, which include boron, chlorine, copper, iron, manganese, sodium, zinc, molybdenum, nickel, cobalt, and silicon.

Copper, iron, and manganese are used in photosynthesis. Molybdenum, nickel, and cobalt are necessary for the movement of nitrogen in the plant. Boron is important for reproduction, while chlorine stimulates root growth and development. Sodium benefits the movement of water within the plant and zinc is neeeded for enzymes and used in auxins (organic plant hormones). Finally, silicon helps to build tough cell walls for better heat and drought tolerance.

http://www.sidwell.edu

You can get an idea from this how closely all the essential elements are involved in the many metabolic processes within the plant, often relying on each other.

Nutrient movement and mobility inside the plant:

Besides endocytosis, there are two major pathways inside the plant, the xylem and the phloem. When water and minerals are absorbed by plant roots, these substances must be transported up to the plant's stems and leaves for photosynthesis and further metabolic processes. This upward transport happens in the xylem. While the xylem is able to transport organic compounds, the phloem is much more adapted to do so.

The organic compounds thus originating in the leaves have to be moved throughout the plant, upwards and downwards, to where they are needed. This transport happens in the phloem. Compounds that are moving through the phloem are mostly:
Sugars as sugary saps, organic nitrogen compounds (amino acids and amides, ureides and legumes), hormones and proteins.

http://www.sirinet.net

Not all nutrient compounds are moveable within the plant.

1) N, P, K, Mg and S are considered mobile: they can move up and down the plant in both xylem and phloem.
Deficiency appears on old leaves first.

2) Ca, Fe, Zn, Mo, B, Cu, Mn are considered immobile: they only move up the plant in the xylem.
Deficiency appears on new leaves first.

http://generalhorticulture.tamu.edu

Storage organelles:

Salts and organic metabolites can be stored in storage organelles. The most important storage organelle is the vacuole, which can contribute up to 90% of the cell volume. The majority of compounds found in the vacuole are sugars, polysaccharides, organic acids and proteins though.

http://jeb.biologists.org.pdf

Translocation:

Now that the basics are explained, we can take a look at the translocation process. It should be already clear that only mobile elements can be translocated through the phloem. Immobile elements cant be translocated and are not more available to the plant for further metabolic processes and new plant growth.

Since flushing (in theory) induces a nutrient deficiency in the rootzone, the translocation process aids in the plants survival. Translocation is transportation of assimilates through the phloem from source (a net exporter of assimilate) to sink (a net importer of assimilate). Sources are mostly mature fan leaves and sinks are mostly apical meristems, lateral meristem, fruit, seed and developing leaves etc.

You can see this by the yellowing and later dying of the mature fan leaves from the second day on after flushing started. Developing leaves, bud leaves and calyxes don’t serve as sources, they are sinks. Changes in those plant parts are due to the deficient immobile elements which start to indicate on new growth first.

Unfortunately, several metabolic processes are unable to take place anymore since other elements needed are no longer available (the immobile ones). This includes processes where nitrogen and phosphorus, which have likely the most impact on taste, are involved.

For example nitrogen: usually plants use nitrogen to form plant proteins. Enzyme systems rapidly reduce nitrate-N (NO3-) to compounds that are used to build amino-nitrogen which is the basis for amino acids. Amino acids are building blocks for proteins, most of them are plant enzymes responsible for all the chemical changes important for plant growth.

Sulfur and calcium among others have major roles in production and activating of proteins, thereby decreasing nitrate within the plant. Excess nitrate within the plant may result from unbalanced nutrition rather than an excess of nitrogen.


Summary:

Preharvest flushing puts the plant(s) under serious stress. The plant has to deal with nutrient deficiencies in a very important part of its cycle. Strong changes in the amount of dissolved substances in the root-zone stress the roots, possibly to the point of direct physical damage to them. Many immobile elements are no more available for further metabolic processes. We are loosing the fan leaves and damage will show likely on new growth as well.

The grower should react in an educated way to the plant needs. Excessive, deficient or unbalanced levels should be avoided regardless the nutrient source. Nutrient levels should be gradually adjusted to the lesser needs in later flowering. Stress factors should be limited as far as possible. If that is accomplished throughout the entire life cycle, there shouldn’t be any excessive nutrient compounds in the plants tissue. It doesn’t sound likely to the author that you can correct growing errors (significant lower mobile nutrient compound levels) with preharvest flushing.

Drying and curing (when done right) on the other hand have proved (In many studies) to have a major impact on taste and flavour, by breaking down chlorophylls and converting starches into sugars. Most attributes blamed on unflushed buds may be the result of unbalanced nutrition and/or overfert and unproper drying/curing."




 

Orlandocb

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im not being funny here but i have done the tests, have you??

edit: or would you prefer me to spout a bunch of shiznit untill i have a million posts just so i can say listen to me my willy, i mean post count is bigger then yours??
meanwhile good growers get disheartened because someone told them to flush for weeks when the plant was starving?? weve all seen it!!
I would prefer more fire and less smoke. Yeah i never said anything about flushing. I just find it funny that you have some sense of entitlement to call people noobs when growing a very hardy plant and when you're no expert yourself. I haven't done the tests, but i've done the comparisons, if you were growing Osha i would feel different
 

Kite High

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SUPER LEMON HAZE, clue would be in the HAZE!

anyways mate i thought you were gone. lets not bump heads, this method aint for you but just maybe a handfull of growers might try it and be better of eh!

(oh an when it catches on fast like curry through a piss head, you can try and bully some noob into it by acting like this is your forum and any ideas you do not like must be total bollox or you could go away and work on your pruning skills so you do not need to under light / light your girls with a million watts to get "bat colas", let the big boys have a real discussion while you be a good boy an go tug your pipe in the corner
with lots of indica in it...look at the lineage
 

Lemon king

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mine dont...green to the end...flushing is for toilets...cannabis growers are the only fools with this flushing plants and causing deficiencies improves the plant...not a single other type of horti practices this stupid drill because it is so ridiculous...

here try to learn something if you can
"Advanced - Flushing

A critical look at preharvest flushing

Pre harvest flushing is a controversial topic.
I think ill stop you there my friend,

P.S i see trees outside shedding leafs come winter time. and then some believe the taste is affected by the chlorophyll, which is found in the green parts of the plant, the bits that are made green by the nitrogen in your feed....i wonder if feed companies drop the nitrogen in bloom mixes and only have the smallest amount that the plants need to use to complete other functions for a reason???. Nar your defo right, keep em green!! :)
 

Lemon king

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o n ta for making this thread more then useless now and even more confusing for any noob reading it!!! at least ive got more posts now, .....respect please!!
 

Kite High

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I think ill stop you there my friend,

P.S i see trees outside shedding leafs come winter time. and then some believe the taste is affected by the chlorophyll, which is found in the green parts of the plant, the bits that are made green by the nitrogen in your feed....i wonder if feed companies drop the nitrogen in bloom mixes and only have the smallest amount that the plants need to use to complete other functions for a reason???. Nar your defo right, keep em green!! :)
trees are perennials...cannabis is an annual....
 

Sativied

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Comparing indoor growing to outdoor really doesn't always work as well as it may seem. Many of the popular indoor strains have originally been climatized to indoor conditions. They're also selected and bred under the common light schedules, so that's what I use as well.
 

Lemon king

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Comparing indoor growing to outdoor really doesn't always work as well as it may seem. Many of the popular indoor strains have originally been climatized to indoor conditions. They're also selected and bred under the common light schedules, so that's what I use as well.
WOW this is possibly the best argument against this light schedule that i had not considered,..im not from the states so do not know much about how the medical weed growers (25+ plants) grow or even how breeders grow other then greenhouses constant how too videos....(as most breeders provide little info)

could you elaborate please.
 

chuck estevez

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WOW this is possibly the best argument against this light schedule that i had not considered,..im not from the states so do not know much about how the medical weed growers (25+ plants) grow or even how breeders grow other then greenhouses constant how too videos....(as most breeders provide little info)

could you elaborate please.
I said it earlier, no bulb can compare to the sun
 

simisimis

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o n ta for making this thread more then useless now and even more confusing for any noob reading it!!! at least ive got more posts now, .....respect please!!
nice Kite, makes me smile how you treat those arrogant smartasses every day... out of arguments, comparing weed to a tree.
dude why not accept that you are not right? cannabis has been grown by millions, tested in laboratories, science is way ahead of you, and you think you are the chosen one who found the best way? because of people like you 'noobs' turn wrong direction from the beggining, all u do is parrot those better sounding hypes which are more easy to understand than normal reasonable researches.
tree is not a weed, like frog is not a human. and yes you manage to harvest, but if you would go home and do some homework, you would understand that the credit goes not only to you, plant does everything to survive, so does it tries to fix your mistakes and adapt to them so it could make some flowers to live on next year. not trying to offend you or somth but you need to get down a bit and jump off of that cocky costume
 

Lemon king

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i have been testing light schedules with great results however i have came across some new information, its an extract from one of robert c clarkes books, the trouble is i do not really understand all the words :( ... could you please translate this into words i might be able to understand, as you all seem so knowledgeable, (and i was not trying to be the chosen one lol just presenting an alternative method!)

thank you for your time if you can help!

Cannabis shows a dual response to daylength; during the first two to three months of growth it responds to increasing daylength with more vigorous growth, but in the same season the plant requires shorter days to flower and complete its life cycle. LIFE CYCLE OF CANNABIS I Juvenile Stage
Cannabis flowers when exposed to a critical daylength which varies with the strain. Critical daylength applies only to plants which fail to flower under continu- ous illumination, since those which flower under continuous illumination have no criti- cal daylength. Most strains have an absolute requirement of inductive photoperiods (short days or long nights) to induce fertile flowering and less than this will result in the formation of undifferentiated primor- dia (unformed flowers) only.
The time taken to form primordia varies with the length of the inductive pho- - toperiod. Given 10 hours per day of light a strain may only take 10 days to flower, whereas if given 16 hours per day it may take up to 90 days. Inductive photoperiods of less than 8 hours per day do not seem to accelerate primordia formation. Dark (night) cycles must be uninterrupted to in- duce flowering (see appendix).

im gathering from this that with a light cycle that reduces in time i am effectively shortening my flower times, and ripening faster??

it also seems to suggest that every strain has a sweet spot ?? that some may flower better under say 11/13 and others 12/12 and that this is strain dependent?? could it be that i have found a sweet spot for the lemon skunk unknowingly and this is why im so confident in this method???
 

Sativied

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WOW this is possibly the best argument against this light schedule that i had not considered,....
could you elaborate please.
There's not much more to it, but let me put it differently. Most of us grow 'domesticated' mj which is a result of human intervention, a long and difficult process to get MJ at the quality level it is today, and it no longer compares that well to 'wild' cannabis plants in exotic places (which are remote ancestors often from many many mj-plant-generations ago).

.im not from the states so do not know much about how the medical weed growers (25+ plants) grow or even how breeders grow other then greenhouses constant how too videos....(as most breeders provide little info)
I'm not from the states either, but you can find all info you'll need in these very forums and really don't need breeders for such rather basic info.

I agree with the first reply though, what ever works for you man. Personally I'd try to invent something else than the wheel ;)
 

Lemon king

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i have an answer to clear this up once and for all taken from robert c clarkes book....

Flowering in Cannabis may be forced or accelerated by many different techniques. This does not mean that THC production is forced, only that the time before and during flowering is shortened and flowers are produced rapidly. Most techniques involve the deprivation of light during the long days of summer to promote early floral induction and sexual differentiation. This is sometimes done by moving the plants inside a completely dark struc- ture for 12 hours of each 24-hour day until the floral clus- ters are mature. This stimulates an autumn light cycle and promotes flowering at any time of the year. In the field, covers may be made to block out the sun for a few hours at sunrise or sunset, and these are used to cover small plants. Photoperiod alteration is most easily accomplished in a greenhouse, where blackout curtains are easily rolled over the plants. Drug Cannabis production requires 11-12 hours of continuous darkness to induce flowering and at least 10 hours of light for adequate THC production (Valle et al. 1978). In a greenhouse, supplemental lighting need be used only to extend daylength, while the sun supplies the energy needed for growth and THC biosynthesis. It is not known why at least 10 hours (and preferably 12 or 13 hours) of light are needed for high THC production. This is not dependent on accumulated solar energy since light responses can be activated and THC production increased with only a 40-watt bulb. A reasonable theory is that a light-sensitive pigment in the plant (possibly phytochrome) acts as a switch, causing the plant to follow the flowering cycle. THC production is probably associated with the induction of flowering resulting from the photoperiod change.
 

hbbum

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Well if you dont think human intervention can improve on nature, you have not seen Rocky IV
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chuck estevez

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i have an answer to clear this up once and for all taken from robert c clarkes book....

Flowering in Cannabis may be forced or accelerated by many different techniques. This does not mean that THC production is forced, only that the time before and during flowering is shortened and flowers are produced rapidly. Most techniques involve the deprivation of light during the long days of summer to promote early floral induction and sexual differentiation. This is sometimes done by moving the plants inside a completely dark struc- ture for 12 hours of each 24-hour day until the floral clus- ters are mature. This stimulates an autumn light cycle and promotes flowering at any time of the year. In the field, covers may be made to block out the sun for a few hours at sunrise or sunset, and these are used to cover small plants. Photoperiod alteration is most easily accomplished in a greenhouse, where blackout curtains are easily rolled over the plants. Drug Cannabis production requires 11-12 hours of continuous darkness to induce flowering and at least 10 hours of light for adequate THC production (Valle et al. 1978). In a greenhouse, supplemental lighting need be used only to extend daylength, while the sun supplies the energy needed for growth and THC biosynthesis. It is not known why at least 10 hours (and preferably 12 or 13 hours) of light are needed for high THC production. This is not dependent on accumulated solar energy since light responses can be activated and THC production increased with only a 40-watt bulb. A reasonable theory is that a light-sensitive pigment in the plant (possibly phytochrome) acts as a switch, causing the plant to follow the flowering cycle. THC production is probably associated with the induction of flowering resulting from the photoperiod change.
I HIGHLY recommend you read your own damn post a few times, Jesus, you just made yourself look like a total idiot.
 
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