defoliation? yes/no and techniques

Fresh 2 De@th

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Yeah, My swag. You have no clue what I grow. At least I'm in a part of the country known for it's dank, Not some place the cartels ship there crap weed to. Better hurry up and hurl some more insults before your mom calls for bedtime.
Yeah, My swag. You have no clue what I grow. At least I'm in a part of the country known for it's dank, Not some place the cartels ship there crap weed to. Better hurry up and hurl some more insults before your mom calls for bedtime.
if anything it would be more so your moms calling me to get in her bed before mines call and tell me to go to bed.

Just wanted to also point out that Breath2de@th decided to jump into this thread on page 27, Now if that isn't a troll, I don't know what is.
haha, you might want to check your "facts" again before you continue spreading lies. and from your words, not mines, it's clear to see that you have no idea what a troll is.

Do a fuckin' search and READ! There are at least 3 threads on this dumb noobie practice right under your nose. Don't start another thread on any topic until you've used the search feature!

UB
check ya boy out, front and center (the very second post of this thread). he talks about how they (riu) keeps calling him, but it clearly seems to be the other way around. i guess you missed this along with me commenting from the very beginning.

shout out to Dopedeei too. peep how he checked the troll of all trolls of riu:
Personaly idgaf wats in the search info this is for my personal knowledge which I decided to share but any way dude if u dnt want to see another thread on it well hey wtf u looking for
 

thump easy

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thump easy

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jacksthc

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You have been very rational, that is why I haven't taken the piss with you. Most of the pics I have seen of people trying to justify defoliating have been big fluffy buds. Pics don't prove shit. I would like to see 1 plant, unmolested. 1 plant molested in the same room with the same grower.
show me where the molested one yields more and I would not dispute it anymore.
I live in the uk so I only stay up till about 12am my time

The facts are very simple here, the question is defoliation? yes/no and techniques

1. can defoliation work ?

well I have shown you a large bushy plants with respectable buds on after defoliation, so the answer is yes

2. is defoliation the best technique and gives you the best yield ?

this is down to the skill of the grower as defoliation can give you great yield and poor if done wrong and this is no different to topping, lst, fim, super cropping, monster cropping, re veg, I have done them all over the years and every technique has to be done right to get the results you want, I have found a simple technique and it gives me control over the way the plant grows
but you do need a little more veg time but it works on every plant I have tried

I can have the plant 2ft wide or 6ft wide and have the amount of branches on the plant I want, full control over the canopy height ( can have it 12" or 3ft), a great way to do a perpetual scrog, but whats the point putting a guide on here when so many growers are against different techniques

the picture of my scrog with 6 plant, only had 6 days under the screen in the flower room before I turn over to 12/12, did all the training in veg and the screen just held the buds in place, the buds where 18" above the screen so I didn't need any veg time under the screen.
 

Uncle Ben

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have no ideal about Uncle Ben's growing methods from what i read its just basic topping and lst
LST? Even the title is stupid, about as stupid and silly as calling someone's soil "Super Soil" or how about "Super Cropping". "Super Stupid" or the new and improved SS method would be a better fit. How many times have I read a newb claiming topping causes stress, while they're busy yanking leaves, using high bloom foods, using photoperiod gimmicks and doing other stupid stuff that REALLY causes stress.

New red sig line applies to those that dare refute the laws of botany, and they're a dime a dozen.
 

Uncle Ben

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Fresh 2 [email said:
De@th;9616865].....so[/email] just to be clear, topping or pruning in any kind of way is technically defoliating.
No it's not because those leaves or branches that were removed are being replaced by more foliage. Now....if you FEEL you get better results because of it, YANK! All you're doing is setting the plant back and causing it stress. What is it about photosynthesis and plant processes that some of you guys don't get? If you don't get as many or more leaves and foliage as a result of your butchering, then you really screwed things up. This is science and you newbs really need to do a forum search as this lame topic has all been hashed and bashed a hundred times. :rolleyes:

The "leader" is science, period.

UB
 

jacksthc

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LST? Even the title is stupid, about as stupid and silly as calling someone's soil "Super Soil" or how about "Super Cropping". "Super Stupid" or the new and improved SS method would be a better fit. How many times have I read a newb claiming topping causes stress, while they're busy yanking leaves, using high bloom foods, using photoperiod gimmicks and doing other stupid stuff that REALLY causes stress.

New red sig line applies to those that dare refute the laws of botany, and they're a dime a dozen.

lst and topping gives me a lot more than 4 tops so i need to remove the odd fan leaf to make room for the extra bud :)


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You really do need to read up on LST and HST

http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/1014275-overview-cannabis-training-scrog-sog-fim-supercrop-lst-etc.html
 

JonnyAppleSeed420

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So.....to take your own advice....have you tried Uncle Ben's growing methods?
Many of us have started in the same place but obviously we did not end up at the finish line at the same time. There are much better practices then laid out in "his growing method". Really is it "his". JAS
 

Uncle Ben

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Many of us have started in the same place but obviously we did not end up at the finish line at the same time. There are much better practices then laid out in "his growing method". Really is it "his". JAS
My gardening techniques are no different than any normal and sound conventional gardening. The problem with cannabis sites is that they are so fucked up that anything that represents normalcy and common sense freaks out the typical member. It's really quite funny.
 

jacksthc

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Grasscity eh? No thank you. Bastards are notorious for stealing my work and not giving me credit for it. It's just another dumbed down cannabis site.
http://forum.grasscity.com/indoor-medical-marijuana-growing/215941-never-ending-abuse-phosphorous-enhance-flowering.html
that's a lot of good info

I only use plan water for 3 weeks after re potting the plants and use a light feed of bio bizz fish mix till week 4 of flower, then start adding a low amount of bloom and fish mix, then stop using fix mix 10 days before harvest

In week 1,3,5 of flower I add 1 tsp of Epson salts to 10ltr of water
I always use luke warm water so I don't stress the roots

so we both feel the same way about over feeding the plant
also I don't use any magic boosters wast of money imo

why don't you just sit back and watch other growers and there techniques and just make comments on the ones you like
you do seem to have a lot of hate towards growers trying different techniques, it not your plants so who cares
 

Sativied

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you do seem to have a lot of hate towards growers trying different techniques, it not your plants so who cares
The problem is that you call it a technique, which it isn't when it comes to cannabis.

The fact that you have not dismissed your side by side results yourself based on the extremely obvious flaws shows you aren't interested in knowing the truth about the effects of defoliation. You want what you refer to as a technique to work. It's that desire to be right or whatever the fuck it is that blinds you from seeing the obvious. I.o.w. you're biased as can be. Your test is anything but a fair test (different veg times come on...)

30% extra... you are deliberately spreading nonsense, encouraging others to butcher their plants and you complain about "hate"... You're in a, what is supposed to be anyway, a grower's forum. Try going to a fishing forum and claim people will catch bigger fish when they piss in the ocean first and see what response you get. For some people there's medicine on those plants, do you even realize the influence your false information can have? It's not your plants right... so who cares... And that's the problem right there, you're all too busy finding support for your own 'opinions', care more about your epeen and fragile self-image than learning the facts.

@thumb easy: I like to stick to the facts rather than opinions, plenty of valid arguments to leave all leaves on the plant, zero valid arguments to remove them.

The problem with cannabis sites is that they are so fucked up that anything that represents normalcy and common sense freaks out the typical member. It's really quite funny.
Admittedly it's entertaining at times but it's more sad than funny. I'm active in quite a few forums for my day job and this endless ignorance is foreign to me and every self-respecting intelligent being (usually professionals) I have non-mj discussions with. Thousands and thousands of people yet they aren't capable of working together, having real discussions with the goal to end a discussion and learn something this simple. I wonder if any of the defoliators have a driver's license... It's no rocket science people.
 

thump easy

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i like having a good laugh dude i dont take nothing serious to me im over the weed thing lolz i had so much i have had a belly full and i just want to yak when it comes to trimming i liked it at first but this inastry can make you bitter fuck that life is to short man but pro or not if it works for you great no one method is the best in my opionion pro's and newbs what every makes you happy for me im out im closing the account... were do i go to deleate everthing ever posted?????
 

Sativied

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anything that represents normalcy and common sense freaks out the typical member. It's really quite funny.
>>>>
were do i go to deleate everthing ever posted?????
Ok, that really is quite funny. :clap:

Seriously, thump, relax man. You can't delete your account and all posts and you're a good example of why that's common on forums, wouldn't want someone to freak out and do something rash.

That said, some good posts in here: https://www.rollitup.org/support/713260-please-delte-account.html
 

jacksthc

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The problem is that you call it a technique, which it isn't when it comes to cannabis.

The fact that you have not dismissed your side by side results yourself based on the extremely obvious flaws shows you aren't interested in knowing the truth about the effects of defoliation. You want what you refer to as a technique to work. It's that desire to be right or whatever the fuck it is that blinds you from seeing the obvious. I.o.w. you're biased as can be. Your test is anything but a fair test (different veg times come on...)

30% extra... you are deliberately spreading nonsense, encouraging others to butcher their plants and you complain about "hate"... You're in a, what is supposed to be anyway, a grower's forum. Try going to a fishing forum and claim people will catch bigger fish when they piss in the ocean first and see what response you get. For some people there's medicine on those plants, do you even realize the influence your false information can have? It's not your plants right... so who cares... And that's the problem right there, you're all too busy finding support for your own 'opinions', care more about your epeen and fragile self-image than learning the facts.

@thumb easy: I like to stick to the facts rather than opinions, plenty of valid arguments to leave all leaves on the plant, zero valid arguments to remove them.

Admittedly it's entertaining at times but it's more sad than funny. I'm active in quite a few forums for my day job and this endless ignorance is foreign to me and every self-respecting intelligent being (usually professionals) I have non-mj discussions with. Thousands and thousands of people yet they aren't capable of working together, having real discussions with the goal to end a discussion and learn something this simple. I wonder if any of the defoliators have a driver's license... It's no rocket science people.
an extra week is so I can flower both plants at the same time, I wanted both plants to be the same height and this gave me the result I wanted
so one plant was vegged for 4 weeks and the other 5 weeks and both in flower for 8 weeks, imo the veg time is not that important to me as I use a 250w mh for all the plants in the veg room and 2x 600w hps in flower room.
as long as the plants are a good size in veg and I think they will fill the space I have free for them in the flower room I stick them in flower

getting the max yield from my flower room is what I aim for
about 30% more yield is my results from my 2 plants, not saying any one else will get this, not bad for an extra week in veg :weed:

"so who cares" and that's the point I was trying to put across, if you see a grow you don't like, don't worry about move on to a another grow

I show my plants and harvest and tell how I did it, that's all I can do.
I am not here to tell growers how to grow there plant, just help, when they ask for it
 
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