1994 Crime Bill, Troll used against Biden and the Democrats as voter suppression tactic.

hanimmal

hanimmal

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Padawanbater2 said:
How would you be able to tell if it were effective or if Sanders' message/agenda actually resonates with minority voters?

You've set up an unfalsifiable scenario where all that has to happen is that the intelligence community says foreign influence targets minorities with populist rhetoric and that's all that's required for you to believe it

On this, I'd say Occam's razor is the much more likely scenario; Sanders supports the working class, so, working class voters support Sanders, across the political spectrum. Bloomberg is against raising the minimum wage, Biden supported freezing social security, Buttigieg's campaign is funded by 50 billionaires, and Klobuchar doesn't treat her staff very well. Opposing those sorts of views comes with the territory of being a working class voter.
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When they have made it out that Obama was anti-immigrants to the point that Biden is getting boos about it you can see it for yourself. So tell your handlers well done trolls!

Of course you would say something that is backed up by facts is unfalsifiable and spout more bullshit propaganda.

Like "Biden Supported Freezing Social Security"

Biden in the 80's when Republicans were trying to kill SS and Medicare (like they successfully did mental health facilities) fought to save them by freezing the increases in payments for one year so that they would not get cut.

But I know you would have to look at more than a edited clip to learn that. Fortunately you or one of your other troll sock puppets pulled this one and I watched him say this in a Senate hearing.

Biden has supported the working class with action and not rhetoric unlike Sanders. Biden also never cashed in on his office unlike Sanders.

And most importantly, Biden never got help from Putin and the Russian military.

You are a un-American liar spreading propaganda.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Padawanbater2 said:
You said foreign influence is the reason Sanders is now doing well with minorities. How can you disprove that assertion?
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You are disingenuous, I showed you a investigation that found the Russian military is attacking our Mexican American communities with propaganda since 2016, as well as reports that Putin is supporting Bernie Sanders to win the Democratic nominee and using the Russian military to troll the rest of the field propping him up.

Links to these reports are in my sig.

For those that don't know the IRA is Russian Military.
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Padawanbater2

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hanimmal said:
You are disingenuous, I showed you a investigation that found the Russian military is attacking our Mexican American communities with propaganda since 2016, as well as reports that Putin is supporting Bernie Sanders to win the Democratic nominee and using the Russian military to troll the rest of the field propping him up.
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I asked "How did Sanders manage to win moderates/conservatives, as well as progressives in Nevada?" in regards to the electability argument and criticism that is he only does well with white men. You said "a combination of Trump voters voting for Sanders, and Russians attacking the Mexican American community with racist propaganda aimed at making them vote anti-establishment since 2016". I don't disagree groups have been targeted by foreign influence. What I disagree with is your unverifiable claim that Sanders support from minorities is because of foreign influence and not because they actually support Sanders' on policy issues.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Padawanbater2 said:
I asked "How did Sanders manage to win moderates/conservatives, as well as progressives in Nevada?" in regards to the electability argument and criticism that is he only does well with white men. You said "a combination of Trump voters voting for Sanders, and Russians attacking the Mexican American community with racist propaganda aimed at making them vote anti-establishment since 2016". I don't disagree groups have been targeted by foreign influence. What I disagree with is your unverifiable claim that Sanders support from minorities is because of foreign influence and not because they actually support Sanders' on policy issues.
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So you ask a bullshit question, and get a very thourough answer on how it works and then cry because it was answered too well? So now you want me to answer another bullshit question, got it.

It is called advertising, companies around the world spend trillions on it every year because it is extremely effective at selling whatever it is that they are pushing.

The Russians have been pushing microtargetted advertising at these communities for years now with disinformation about how bad Obama/Biden was on immigration, lies about how Trump isn't doing anything different to their family members.

Sowing a division against the establishment in an effort to get Bernie the best chance at winning their votes, because they are a powerful demographic. While at the same time saying how Bernie is going to give them everything in the world and the rich are going to pay for it....

hmm that sounds familiar.... "We will build a wall, and Mexico will pay for it"... "We will give you bunch of free shit, and the rich will pay for it".....

Are you going to pretend further that you don't understand how full of shit you are, and how Bernie Sanders did not warn the American people that Russians were attacking his 'fellow' Democrats in a effort to sow this false division when he knew about it for at least over a month?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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hanimmal said:
So you ask a bullshit question, and get a very thourough answer on how it works and then cry because it was answered too well? So now you want me to answer another bullshit question, got it.

It is called advertising, companies around the world spend trillions on it every year because it is extremely effective at selling whatever it is that they are pushing.

The Russians have been pushing microtargetted advertising at these communities for years now with disinformation about how bad Obama/Biden was on immigration, lies about how Trump isn't doing anything different to their family members.

Sowing a division against the establishment in an effort to get Bernie the best chance at winning their votes, because they are a powerful demographic. While at the same time saying how Bernie is going to give them everything in the world and the rich are going to pay for it....

hmm that sounds familiar.... "We will build a wall, and Mexico will pay for it"... "We will give you bunch of free shit, and the rich will pay for it".....

Are you going to pretend further that you don't understand how full of shit you are, and how Bernie Sanders did not warn the American people that Russians were attacking his 'fellow' Democrats in a effort to sow this false division when he knew about it for at least over a month?
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How do you know what these groups of people support is explicitly because of Russian propaganda targeted towards them to turn them against the political establishment, or if they actually hold anti-establishment political views and support the message Sanders espouses?

You don't, because you can't, because it's unknowable, just like I said before, which is why you made the claim to begin with; to perpetuate propaganda against the leading Democratic frontrunner most likely to defeat Trump
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Padawanbater2 said:
How do you know what these groups of people support is explicitly because of Russian propaganda targeted towards them to turn them against the political establishment, or if they actually hold anti-establishment political views and support the message Sanders espouses?

You don't, because you can't, because it's unknowable, just like I said before, which is why you made the claim to begin with; to perpetuate propaganda against the leading Democratic frontrunner most likely to defeat Trump
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its actually very knowable and quantifiable
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Padawanbater2 said:
How do you know what these groups of people support is explicitly because of Russian propaganda targeted towards them to turn them against the political establishment, or if they actually hold anti-establishment political views and support the message Sanders espouses?

You don't, because you can't, because it's unknowable, just like I said before, which is why you made the claim to begin with; to perpetuate propaganda against the leading Democratic frontrunner most likely to defeat Trump
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You mean lies about the establishment. That is the joke you trolls like to push, that somehow it is unknowable, and therefore it is not real. And claim that because you worked out some way to make it sound good to the people who want to believe your bullshit lies makes any sense at all, have an out.

The thing is you are lying, and giving the Russians cover to continue their scam on our citizens.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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hanimmal said:
You mean lies about the establishment. That is the joke you trolls like to push, that somehow it is unknowable, and therefore it is not real. And claim that because you worked out some way to make it sound good to the people who want to believe your bullshit lies makes any sense at all have an out.

The thing is you are lying, and giving the Russians cover to continue their scam on our citizens.
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Russian propaganda didn't make minorities support a living wage or universal healthcare or universal college or criminal justice reform or any of the other policies Sanders espouses, living in a racist nation governed by racist laws and injustice inherent in the system did that, Sanders just happens to be the candidate in the race the majority of minorities support to change these issues in a more positive way moving forward.

It's ignorant to reduce the viewpoints and opinions of minorities down to being influenced by Russian propaganda, not being smart enough like other groups of people to be able to see it or be able to have political opinions of their own
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Padawanbater2 said:
Russian propaganda didn't make minorities support a living wage or universal healthcare or universal college or criminal justice reform or any of the other policies Sanders espouses, living in a racist nation governed by racist laws and injustice inherent in the system did that, Sanders just happens to be the candidate in the race the majority of minorities support to change these issues in a more positive way moving forward.

It's ignorant to reduce the viewpoints and opinions of minorities down to being influenced by Russian propaganda, not being smart enough like other groups of people to be able to see it or be able to have political opinions of their own
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You are ignorant if you think your blatant disregard of Russian propaganda being effective at selling these lies.

The trick you foreign trolls are trying to play, may or may not work, I don't have a crystal ball, but it is not going to hold up to scrutiny.

Those things sound great, and anyone not with those things would love the idea of them, even to the point that they will say keeping new immigrants out seems like a good idea if they can get those things for their kids. But they won't happen, and it will just create more long term distrust of government if somehow Sanders pulls off the win and gets none of it done, which will be helpful for you foreign trolls to use in the following election.

You foreign trolls are hammering our most vulnerable communities with your lies so much it makes it impossible for people to see strait. And are doing itwith every single community. Humanity is not smart enough to not get impacted by the sophistication of this attack, we are easily programmable and easily tricked.


You turning this into somehow being a put down on our minority community is just a lame attempt at trying to create division in race. It won't work.


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Now go run back to your handlers about how to respond with more divisive language, Im sure you ran out of comebacks on whatever flow chart they gave to you trolls to use.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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hanimmal said:
You are ignorant if you think your blatant disregard of Russian propaganda being effective at selling these lies.

The trick you foreign trolls are trying to play, may or may not work, I don't have a crystal ball, but it is not going to hold up to scrutiny.

Those things sound great, and anyone not with those things would love the idea of them, even to the point that they will say keeping new immigrants out seems like a good idea if they can get those things for their kids. But they won't happen, and it will just create more long term distrust of government if somehow Sanders pulls off the win and gets none of it done, which will be helpful for you foreign trolls to use in the following election.

You foreign trolls are hammering our most vulnerable communities with your lies so much it makes it impossible for people to see strait. And are doing itwith every single community. Humanity is not smart enough to not get impacted by the sophistication of this attack, we are easily programmable and easily tricked.


You turning this into somehow being a put down on our minority community is just a lame attempt at trying to create division in race. It won't work.


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Now go run back to your handlers about how to respond with more divisive language, Im sure you ran out of comebacks on whatever flow chart they gave to you trolls to use.
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Padawanbater2

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hanimmal said:
Thought so.
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How do you know all of Sanders' minority support is because of Russian propaganda?

Why don't you believe any of their opinions when they're interviewed about why they support Sanders? Most of them cite his healthcare policy, or his criminal justice reform, or one of his other popular policies

You're attempting to silence minority voices about the issues they actually care about when you reduce their reasoning down to Russian propaganda, the same way racists used to reduce their reasoning down to "you like him because he's black!" when they supported Obama.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Padawanbater2 said:
How do you know all of Sanders' minority support is because of Russian propaganda?

Why don't you believe any of their opinions when they're interviewed about why they support Sanders? Most of them cite his healthcare policy, or his criminal justice reform, or one of his other popular policies

You're attempting to silence minority voices about the issues they actually care about when you reduce their reasoning down to Russian propaganda, the same way racists used to reduce their reasoning down to "you like him because he's black!" when they supported Obama.
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Look at you using the word 'All' like being absolutist about this issue is in any way meaningful. Because it is not.

You are going to get some mileage out of that line of trolling huh? I am not reducing them down to anything. I clearly said that it was a combination of Bernie Sanders lies about giving away all this free shit sounding great and of course people wanting it, and the disinformation campaign that you foreign trolls are doing to sell the anti-establishment lies you created to troll the Democrats in the race like Biden.

I am not trying to silence anyone, I know I can't silence you foreign trolls, which is really the only group I would love to be able to. What I am doing is pointing out (continuously) how your lies are being used to prop up a candidate that is designed to troll our country and cause further division in our society.

Foreign militaries are flooding our citizens with massive levels of propaganda, designed to elect their candidates of choice. Americans are starting to wake up to your games. And I just hope that adults are in the room when it is time to stop this madness your handlers are causing, because your people don't deserve the pain that your leaders are inevitably bringing to them.
 
Fogdog

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No need for @Padawanbater2 to cherry pick opinion polling data anymore. No need to rebut his bullshit with facts. The only polls that matter are election polls and we'll see what kind of support really shows up for Sanders.

If Bernie does something like 45% support from Black voters then he's actually changed the story. My guess is it goes from 20% to maybe 25% and the Bernie bots will go crazy about the new paradigm. Then cry rigged when he loses.

No need to guess. No need to argue. It's almost here. I just wish they would stop lying.

Super Tuesday, baby
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
How do you know what these groups of people support is explicitly because of Russian propaganda targeted towards them to turn them against the political establishment, or if they actually hold anti-establishment political views and support the message Sanders espouses?

You don't, because you can't, because it's unknowable, just like I said before, which is why you made the claim to begin with; to perpetuate propaganda against the leading Democratic frontrunner most likely to defeat Trump
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Yep, its unknowable. So, shut the fuck up already. What I don't see is any citation from you that says minority groups and women are flocking to Bernie in any different way than in 2016.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Padawanbater2 said:
That's exactly what you're doing when you dismiss their opinions outright and mark it up to them being too dumb to identify propaganda
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You got caught in a trolling flow chart loop huh. here is a reminder of how full of shit you are with your trying to sow racial division on something that I am not doing at all:
https://www.rollitup.org/t/1994-crime-bill-troll-used-against-biden-and-the-democrats-as-voter-suppression-tactic.1004070/post-15335306

I know it was hard to find being towards the top of this very page.

All humans are programmable, that is just the reality.

Your handlers have been collecting data on all Americans (and every other democracies citizens in the world) and have used it to create very sophisticated psychological profiles on each person using complex data analysis to tease out the exact combination of issues to use and AI to deliver them the messages/propaganda in the most effective manner constantly.

The fact that the Russian military have been attacking our Mexican American communities with propaganda aimed to boost Bernie and attack the actual Democratic party, is not a knock against them, every single American is under attack and our current President is allowing, even asking, for it to occur.

And your little tweet points this out exactly, Bernie has done nothing for the Latino community, because he has really done nothing period, no matter how many times your little cut and paste of his 'accomplishments' get posted. All he is to us is empty promises that he knows he can't deliver, and a whole lot of hate, just like Putin's other propped up political puppet, Trump.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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So I got a text today from Bernie supporters spreading some propaganda about how Biden is going to steal everyone's SS and Medicare/Medicaid. It is pretty annoying how consistent they are lying. I really hope Biden is able to wrap it up this upcoming Tuesday so we can focus on Trump's lies and not have to deal with the lies from the left as well as the Russian propaganda that the Republicans are propagating for Dear Leader.


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Fogdog

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hanimmal said:
So I got a text today from Bernie supporters spreading some propaganda about how Biden is going to steal everyone's SS and Medicare/Medicaid. It is pretty annoying how consistent they are lying. I really hope Biden is able to wrap it up this upcoming Tuesday so we can focus on Trump's lies and not have to deal with the lies from the left as well as the Russian propaganda that the Republicans are propagating for Dear Leader.


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Just looking at what he's done and doing, it's pretty clear that Sanders never intended the Democratic Party to succeed and pretty much worked at breaking the party. Backfired. We are much more unified today than a year ago. I didn't want Biden back then either.

I'm now fretting over his exposure to bullets and viruses as he goes relatively unprotected to political events. I want the Democratic party to rent a Popemobile. We can't afford to lose him now.

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It's a good thing that the protester didn't mean any physical harm. How did she get through to him? Lax security. Yikes.
 
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