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dlively11

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pahudson said:
I understand what you are saying and the information you have provided is some of the stuff I was hoping would become available. I see so much information on the net, its very difficult to know what is credible and what isn't. I am trying to get information specific to cannabis and that can be tough. I will read through the information you have provided along with the other information that has been provided. I think you will agree that yield is what determines your success (many times, not always but many times) as a grower. I am getting only a little over 1 lbs off of a 1000 watt bulb. Therefore, I think I must be missing something. That was the reason for the title. Thank you for an informative response it is appreciated.
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Sorry but UB actually doesnt believe that yields are a valid benchmark, he has stated this many many times lately. Your best bet for getting max yield is doing a SOG with atleast 2-3 plants per SQ foot. I do 4 per foot. Or a SCROG. If you cant pump in lots of fresh air then you need to go with CO2 , it will give you much better yields. I have used it and it does work. Became too much hassle for me so I just put loads and loads of fresh air in my room .

Someone else mentioned PK boosters. I use Big Bud still for mid bloom booster , works great. Overdrive is great but way overpriced. I currently use MOAB its much cheaper and works atleast as well. Its about $70 for 2 lbs and you only need a teaspoon for 5 gallons. I used Koolbloom but it caused a lot of hermies so I stopped. Super Natural Bud Blaster is great too but very pricey.
 
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slk

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how do you fit 4 in 1 sq ft?
I like this idea but what size containers are you using?
 
OZUT

OZUT

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dlively11 said:
Do everyone a favor and stop trying to shove your narrow minded views down everyone's throats.
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I think you should take some of your own advice and stop yapping on and on about your SOG grow and how yours is far superior to everyone elses. You came into this thread, contributed what you felt you needed to contribute, took some jabs at other peoples insight and knowledge and now you're changing the subject into another "fan leaf removal" thread and just trying to start arguments. Let it go dude, starting to get annoying. We know your method is to pick fan leaves at 21 days into flower. We know your argument is that it gets you more light penetration, we know what nutes you use and we know you get 15 pounds a tray like this. Why do you feel compelled to keep yapping? You're highjacking the dudes thread man. Some good information is being lost in here because of you. Move on
 
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slk

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I got the math but it dosn't seem possable in pots that small. I thought the bigger the pot the bigger the plant.
 
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Bob Smith

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slk said:
I got the math but it dosn't seem possable in pots that small. I thought the bigger the pot the bigger the plant.
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Yes, as a general rule of thumb, the bigger the pot (available root mass) the bigger the plant.

However, one doesn't necessarily need large plants for a large yield - that is the concept behind a SOG, using many small plants instead of a few large plants to minimize veg times and maximize harvest turnover (as well as making trimming a lot easier when harvesting).

I've said before and I'll say it again - I think from when the 12/12 switch is flipped that a well done SCROG will beat a SOG, but it's the extra weeks in veg time that the SCROG necessitates that makes it not as efficient on an ongoing basis.
 
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pahudson

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dlively11 said:
Sorry but UB actually doesnt believe that yields are a valid benchmark, he has stated this many many times lately. Your best bet for getting max yield is doing a SOG with atleast 2-3 plants per SQ foot. I do 4 per foot. Or a SCROG. If you cant pump in lots of fresh air then you need to go with CO2 , it will give you much better yields. I have used it and it does work. Became too much hassle for me so I just put loads and loads of fresh air in my room .

Someone else mentioned PK boosters. I use Big Bud still for mid bloom booster , works great. Overdrive is great but way overpriced. I currently use MOAB its much cheaper and works atleast as well. Its about $70 for 2 lbs and you only need a teaspoon for 5 gallons. I used Koolbloom but it caused a lot of hermies so I stopped. Super Natural Bud Blaster is great too but very pricey.
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I will give SOG a shot. I really think my problem is CO2 at this point. I need to try and supplement with it and I think my yields will go up big time because I think there is only stagnant air at this point. If you don't mind me asking what is MOAB?
 
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pahudson

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Bob Smith said:
Yes, as a general rule of thumb, the bigger the pot (available root mass) the bigger the plant.

However, one doesn't necessarily need large plants for a large yield - that is the concept behind a SOG, using many small plants instead of a few large plants to minimize veg times and maximize harvest turnover (as well as making trimming a lot easier when harvesting).

I've said before and I'll say it again - I think from when the 12/12 switch is flipped that a well done SCROG will beat a SOG, but it's the extra weeks in veg time that the SCROG necessitates that makes it not as efficient on an ongoing basis.
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I would rather do SOG because I don't want to spend more than, lets say at max 2 weeks in veg. I do my own cloning and have a few mammas so number of plants don't matter. I could do as many as I want but for watering sake 3 gallon pots are as small as I would wanna go. I veg them in 1 gallon pots in another room and the watering can be every other day when they get rocking. Then the workload starts increase. Would you say 16 plants under a 1000 watt bulb flowered at maybe a foot is adequate? I can top them a couple of times to keep them short and bushy before going to the flowering room.
 
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dlively11

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pahudson said:
I would rather do SOG because I don't want to spend more than, lets say at max 2 weeks in veg. I do my own cloning and have a few mammas so number of plants don't matter. I could do as many as I want but for watering sake 3 gallon pots are as small as I would wanna go. I veg them in 1 gallon pots in another room and the watering can be every other day when they get rocking. Then the workload starts increase. Would you say 16 plants under a 1000 watt bulb flowered at maybe a foot is adequate? I can top them a couple of times to keep them short and bushy before going to the flowering room.
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You will really need to do some kind of super cropping or scrogging to get a lot higher yield. One pound a light isnt bad at all just not great if you are wanting high yields. 2 lbs is a good goal and attainable . Personally in the last 5 years I went from 7 gallon pots to 3 gallon, to 2 gallon to 1 gal back to 2 gallon all in soil and soiless mixes. I tried 8 plants, 10, 12, 16 and 18. I got the best soil / soiless results (yields) by using Super Natural line up for soil and Bud Blaster the last couple weeks. In the last year I went to hydro with much better results and growing was much easier after the switch as well. No more dirt to deal with and a medium and can reuse forever (hydroton). If you want a really short veg go with higher numbers. Your two weeks of veg might differ from a lot of other people so its hard to say. I switch at 6-8 inches and they end up 18-20 inches big fat single colas. 6 of those suckers in a tray and you will quickly realize how such high yields are possible. Even at a miserable 10 grams per plant you would be yielding almost 1.5 pounds. I can understand the hesitation on ebb and flow. I was in the same boat and waited years to try it. I really regret I didnt do it from the beginning in retrospect. Much much easier. You dont HAVE to use a PPM meter or a PH meter , just go on the lighter side of the nute dosages. I found a $15 digital PPM meter on Ebay that actually works as well as my old $100 PPM meter PM me if you want to know what I got. I checked in in my calibration liquid 2 months after using it and it was still dead on. Anyway, think about it it really is a lot easier. No dirt to buy, no dirt all over everything. No drip lines or hand watering and its all automated. You can use a stock tank from a feed store for 1/4 the price of hydro shop reservoirs as well. I got my 100 gal stock tank for $65 locally. Pump for $25 tray for $120 and a $17 timer. Change the res out once a week but a lot of people go longer. Onces its setup it is SUPER easy. I totally understand though I was exactly the same way for all those years.
 
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You got your way of doing things and UB has his. I've called him on his condescending posts and I've called you out on your so called "tests and experiments" but I don't think it's necessary to hold grudges and keep going at it with the same person from thread to thread. You have good points and so does he. There's no need for all this. At the end of the day, people are gonna do what they feel is the right thing for them. But you're a big boy...do as you please
 
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if youve done your homework and can say your system is dialed and your grow technique is on par with the big boi's, and you still dont pull that 2lbs per light- it's genetic, get a new workhorse.
 
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chazbolin

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has anyone on here seen over a # or more under LED. Especially the new Kessil penta band that purports to grow all stages under one light? I want to lower wattages and heat but I've heard that the LED lamps don't produce like HID or induction grow lamps. Thanks
 
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pahudson

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medicalsb420 said:
if youve done your homework and can say your system is dialed and your grow technique is on par with the big boi's, and you still dont pull that 2lbs per light- it's genetic, get a new workhorse.
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I'm actually on my way to the seed bank today to deal with that very issue, if for nothing else, to eliminate the possibility that it is the issue. I was told what I have, when it was given to me by clone, that it was california orange but who knows.
 
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pahudson

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dlively11 said:
You will really need to do some kind of super cropping or scrogging to get a lot higher yield. One pound a light isnt bad at all just not great if you are wanting high yields. 2 lbs is a good goal and attainable . Personally in the last 5 years I went from 7 gallon pots to 3 gallon, to 2 gallon to 1 gal back to 2 gallon all in soil and soiless mixes. I tried 8 plants, 10, 12, 16 and 18. I got the best soil / soiless results (yields) by using Super Natural line up for soil and Bud Blaster the last couple weeks. In the last year I went to hydro with much better results and growing was much easier after the switch as well. No more dirt to deal with and a medium and can reuse forever (hydroton). If you want a really short veg go with higher numbers. Your two weeks of veg might differ from a lot of other people so its hard to say. I switch at 6-8 inches and they end up 18-20 inches big fat single colas. 6 of those suckers in a tray and you will quickly realize how such high yields are possible. Even at a miserable 10 grams per plant you would be yielding almost 1.5 pounds. I can understand the hesitation on ebb and flow. I was in the same boat and waited years to try it. I really regret I didnt do it from the beginning in retrospect. Much much easier. You dont HAVE to use a PPM meter or a PH meter , just go on the lighter side of the nute dosages. I found a $15 digital PPM meter on Ebay that actually works as well as my old $100 PPM meter PM me if you want to know what I got. I checked in in my calibration liquid 2 months after using it and it was still dead on. Anyway, think about it it really is a lot easier. No dirt to buy, no dirt all over everything. No drip lines or hand watering and its all automated. You can use a stock tank from a feed store for 1/4 the price of hydro shop reservoirs as well. I got my 100 gal stock tank for $65 locally. Pump for $25 tray for $120 and a $17 timer. Change the res out once a week but a lot of people go longer. Onces its setup it is SUPER easy. I totally understand though I was exactly the same way for all those years.
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Its so tempting, many people have told me to try flood and drain and once I do I'll never go back but I'm chicken lol. My perception is that when the s%it hits the fan in hydro, you have precious little time to figure it out before your dead in the water, but I could be wrong. Even my hydro shop guy keeps telling me to go ebb and flow because its a true 8 week cycle including veg (with the right strain of course). Thanks for the input, maybe I should try adding a small light and do a small test table to give it a go.
 
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dlively11

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pahudson said:
Its so tempting, many people have told me to try flood and drain and once I do I'll never go back but I'm chicken lol. My perception is that when the s%it hits the fan in hydro, you have precious little time to figure it out before your dead in the water, but I could be wrong. Even my hydro shop guy keeps telling me to go ebb and flow because its a true 8 week cycle including veg (with the right strain of course). Thanks for the input, maybe I should try adding a small light and do a small test table to give it a go.
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I'd highly recommend trying it you wont regret it. As for things going wrong its no different then soil in my opinion. In fact it is easier to correct. With soil once you get a lockout it can take a long long time to correct. Early on I had plants that took a month to start growing again from a hard lockout. With hydro it is virtually impossible to lock them out. I never have. I midly burned my plants once but that was my fault. If you want to try a really easy one you could use Advanced sensibloom two part or use what I a using now Maxibloom and maxigrow. You can use 1 to 2 teaspoons per gallon. I use 2 once they are in bloom. Dont go over that and you dont even need a meter. The PH drops a good bit with these. I have around 7.5 PH on my tap and it drops the PH to 5.5 which is perfect. I never have to adjust the PH anymore. It rises to about 6.2-6.4 by the end of the week and I start all over. Easy as could be. If you want to be totally safe just use one teaspoon or 1.5 teaspoons. Then sit back and watch your plants grow. It really is that simple. I use 5 inch pots for my style of growing and the plants get a good size. Heck my mothers are in 6 inch pots and are huge. Oh also I water 3 times per night for 15 minutes. Mid bloom you could up it to 4 times but it isnt needed. I did this on one of my trays to experiment and once I saw how easy it really was I couldnt wait for my other trays to finish so I could switch them too. It was that much easier. I HATED the drip lines always getting clogged and having to run them all over the tray etc not to mention soil everywhere and constantly having to buy it. Plus having to water every other day etc. With this system I fill up the res once a week mix the nutes and I am done for 7 days. I forget or am too busy I let it go another day or two. Vacations etc become much much easier as well. Hope this helps give you the nudge to atleast try it for a round. You can always switch back.

Peace
 
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dlively11

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Uncle Ben said:
Ho hum. Thank's for the anecdotal chest beating........

And I have over 40. What's your point?
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Too bad you limited your knowledge/growth in such a two dimensional way with all that time. I actually grew my first time indoors in 1982 under my bed and it was quite successful along with a lot of other small grows I dont really count since they were so small. So almost 30 years in total , yeah okay you still win =) You can be a 50 year old fighter doesnt mean you are going to win the fight against a 30 year old fighter. Experience matters but only to a certain extent. Once you decide to make a brick wall around your methods it really doesnt mean so much.

Oh and sorry if I hurt your fragile feelings UB. lol
 
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dlively11

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pahudson said:
I'm actually on my way to the seed bank today to deal with that very issue, if for nothing else, to eliminate the possibility that it is the issue. I was told what I have, when it was given to me by clone, that it was california orange but who knows.
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Better off getting clones from a known good producer. With seeds you have to grow a lot of them to find a good mother often times. If you are getting a pound right now with your current style of growing I think your genetics are probably good.
 
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