40+ lbs with 12 Plants in 2 Rooms on a Flip

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Sif1

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I have tried some LED up under the plants as you have in the image, I didn't notice much gain, I imagine because the light was hitting the plants from the wrong angle. I plan to try and put some of teknik's buddies in the middle of a plant, will see how that goes, two strains back to back like a big rope light lol. Christmas comes early I suppose, hanging the lights lol.

As to the brown hairs, no clue, I hadn't noticed that at all. Perhaps it's environmental?
I think if you use the LED bar vertical you may see a difference. Or atleast it may keep the inside of the plant more healthy. With the size you grow I'd try anything even though I understand you are pushing most angles to the extreme.

Brown hairs, no idea either. Different environments, same lights, same issue. F......... if I know. HPS and CMH are the best IMHO.
 

max420thc

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Maaaaaaaaate, Downunder the timestamp, go, day, month, yr. In USA, you guys got it backwards month, day,yr. LOL. and you are still imperial. Whats going on there?LOL. And the dunny water swirls the opposite way.
We also drive on the wrong side of the road,
 

Powertech

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Maaaaaaaaate, Downunder the timestamp, go, day, month, yr. In USA, you guys got it backwards month, day,yr. LOL. and you are still imperial. Whats going on there?LOL. And the dunny water swirls the opposite way.
When you are the worlds greatest influence, everybody else is doing it wrong
 

Renfro

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I wanted to update everyone on the feed / tap water situation.

I am so far extremely pleased with the results I am getting with the tap water / adjusted feed.

Old 30 gallon RO feed:

Armor Si = 60
Calimagic = 150
Micro = 200
Grow = 200
Bloom = 250

New 30 gallon tap H2O feed:

Epsom 30 grams
M = 200
G = 200
B = 250

Si used only as a pH up as required.

I learned that adding any Si first, as is normally done with RO H2O, will cause a precipitation when adding the Grow. I am assuming this is due to the higher pH of the tap water. I found that adding the Si last solved this issue.

Mixing the nutrients with the tap H2O, sans any Si, puts me at a pH of 7.0 - 7.03. This actually worked out good since the soil pH was low, trying to crash into the 4's. Monitoring the soil pH with my Apera and Bluelab soil meters I adjusted them hard early with feeds in the 8's, and got that out of the way, then a lot of feeds in the 7.0 - 7.5 range followed to keep things between 6.5 and 6.8 at the root zone. I found that adding 2 mL per gallon of the Si would bring the pH up from 7 to around 7.5, if I wanted the pH higher than 3 ml per gallon of the Si would get me I used a little pH up (Advanced).

At first each plant was at it's own pH level. I would treat each individually after those first hard 8.0+ pH adjustment feeds. Slowly but surely they all equalized and now they get the same feed pH. Took about 10 days to get this done. I was fighting the pH crash some in the veg room too and had it pretty well lined out but when I brought them into the flowering rooms the pH started crashing again, fast. Same feed and still in a veg lighting cycle. They do start drinking more as the light intensity is brought up along with CO2 levels and temperature.

Worked like a charm, plants are beautiful in room B at day 21, no signs of deficiency, not a single burnt tip, and now I am feeding at 6.6 - 6.7 and the root zone is holding at 6.5 - 6.7. If I see it start to creep below 6.5 I hit them with a feed at 7.0 and things stay in the Goldilocks zone. Thanks to the soil pH meters I am able to keep things happy, no mystery plants that look deficient. Doing the same procedure in room A that is a few weeks behind room B, hopefully with the same results.

Definitely looking at other mediums that will have a more agreeable pH. Wasn't happy with the Pro Mix HP when I tried it (bag of bugs), wasn't happy with the Sunshine 4 (high pH) and the Berger BM6 is running low on me now. @DoubleAtotheRON is helping by testing some different mixes on his summer run, thanks buddy! I am also waiting to hear back from Berger on possibly trying their BM7 mix, I asked them what they suggest and am waiting to hear back from their more knowledgeable staff.

When I flipped them I added a little more epsom to the mix, so it's now at 1.5 grams per gallon.

At day 20 I started using some of the spare PPM overhead (I like to be around 1200 during peak flower) by adding a little more bloom to the mix. It's now at 280 ml for a 30 gallon mix, the PPM comes to 1092. I will probably take the bloom on up to 300 for peak flower as I still have room. That would put the mix at:

Epsom 45 grams
M = 200
G = 200
B = 300

Plants are drinking about every 14 hours in room B, bastards like their water. I really don't want to up size the pots because I hate hauling that much soil up and down the stairs. I do think that a switch back to hydro is in the future. Still stewing on the large site ebb and grow type system.

Probably could have given room B a few more days in veg, bu

One thing that I really don't like about the mimosa strain, it just doesn't like to spread out. It's a very "straight up" grower, crowds itself badly without a lot of work training it. Even then, the woody stems really resist training efforts. Probably gonna bust out some clones for the OCD x M15 for at least one room next round, gonna have to cut those real soon.

Well I have babbled on long enough lol.

Here are some room B images using my method seven glasses to color correct.

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Gwhiliker

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holy fuck i made it! Im super interested in seeing how those tecniks work as im sure you know thats the sort of thing im looking for at the moment
 

Renfro

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holy fuck i made it! Im super interested in seeing how those tecniks work as im sure you know thats the sort of thing im looking for at the moment
Well there are some other threads if you search for Buddys or buddies you can find them I am sure. He sent some to several growers to test. I am sure my test is less than ideal to show how good they really are as the orientation is haphazard lol. They are getting light to areas that wouldn't otherwise and there are plenty of plants to compare those insides to.
 

Bignutes

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SIPS are proving to be time saving thus far, not sure if that would keep you in the soil game, guys say it's hydro growth in soil. I haven't watered in 10 days but fighting ph at first now looking healthy as I put my res to 4.6 until plants greened up, now relaxed it at 5.2. Going this route with a constant water rez ph I have to admit a soil ph probe would be really useful as the frequency of waterings is so low that it doesn't give me feedback every few days. I was concerned about lanky growth with sips but everything but the gg4 has beefy stalks.
 

Airwalker16

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I wanted to update everyone on the feed / tap water situation.

I am so far extremely pleased with the results I am getting with the tap water / adjusted feed.

Old 30 gallon RO feed:

Armor Si = 60
Calimagic = 150
Micro = 200
Grow = 200
Bloom = 250

New 30 gallon tap H2O feed:

Epsom 30 grams
M = 200
G = 200
B = 250

Si used only as a pH up as required.

I learned that adding any Si first, as is normally done with RO H2O, will cause a precipitation when adding the Grow. I am assuming this is due to the higher pH of the tap water. I found that adding the Si last solved this issue.

Mixing the nutrients with the tap H2O, sans any Si, puts me at a pH of 7.0 - 7.03. This actually worked out good since the soil pH was low, trying to crash into the 4's. Monitoring the soil pH with my Apera and Bluelab soil meters I adjusted them hard early with feeds in the 8's, and got that out of the way, then a lot of feeds in the 7.0 - 7.5 range followed to keep things between 6.5 and 6.8 at the root zone. I found that adding 2 mL per gallon of the Si would bring the pH up from 7 to around 7.5, if I wanted the pH higher than 3 ml per gallon of the Si would get me I used a little pH up (Advanced).

At first each plant was at it's own pH level. I would treat each individually after those first hard 8.0+ pH adjustment feeds. Slowly but surely they all equalized and now they get the same feed pH. Took about 10 days to get this done. I was fighting the pH crash some in the veg room too and had it pretty well lined out but when I brought them into the flowering rooms the pH started crashing again, fast. Same feed and still in a veg lighting cycle. They do start drinking more as the light intensity is brought up along with CO2 levels and temperature.

Worked like a charm, plants are beautiful in room B at day 21, no signs of deficiency, not a single burnt tip, and now I am feeding at 6.6 - 6.7 and the root zone is holding at 6.5 - 6.7. If I see it start to creep below 6.5 I hit them with a feed at 7.0 and things stay in the Goldilocks zone. Thanks to the soil pH meters I am able to keep things happy, no mystery plants that look deficient. Doing the same procedure in room A that is a few weeks behind room B, hopefully with the same results.

Definitely looking at other mediums that will have a more agreeable pH. Wasn't happy with the Pro Mix HP when I tried it (bag of bugs), wasn't happy with the Sunshine 4 (high pH) and the Berger BM6 is running low on me now. @DoubleAtotheRON is helping by testing some different mixes on his summer run, thanks buddy! I am also waiting to hear back from Berger on possibly trying their BM7 mix, I asked them what they suggest and am waiting to hear back from their more knowledgeable staff.

When I flipped them I added a little more epsom to the mix, so it's now at 1.5 grams per gallon.

At day 20 I started using some of the spare PPM overhead (I like to be around 1200 during peak flower) by adding a little more bloom to the mix. It's now at 280 ml for a 30 gallon mix, the PPM comes to 1092. I will probably take the bloom on up to 300 for peak flower as I still have room. That would put the mix at:

Epsom 45 grams
M = 200
G = 200
B = 300

Plants are drinking about every 14 hours in room B, bastards like their water. I really don't want to up size the pots because I hate hauling that much soil up and down the stairs. I do think that a switch back to hydro is in the future. Still stewing on the large site ebb and grow type system.

Probably could have given room B a few more days in veg, bu

One thing that I really don't like about the mimosa strain, it just doesn't like to spread out. It's a very "straight up" grower, crowds itself badly without a lot of work training it. Even then, the woody stems really resist training efforts. Probably gonna bust out some clones for the OCD x M15 for at least one room next round, gonna have to cut those real soon.

Well I have babbled on long enough lol.

Here are some room B images using my method seven glasses to color correct.

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How does your setup get water? Is it through those hoses on the floors? Is that like a double tote soil grow with a bottom tote to fill with water for a wicking type feed?
 

Nizza

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How does your setup get water? Is it through those hoses on the floors? Is that like a double tote soil grow with a bottom tote to fill with water for a wicking type feed?
I think those are 2 buckets so the bottom catches the runoff , and they all drain down together to keep the floor clean and not sure the watering technique maybe he waters with this thingy

yeah I gotta say I can't wait to get a house to get on a small scale of whats going on in here!
 
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Sif1

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i put the string of buddies on there when the lights were off, didnt get the picture till the lights had been on most of a day, they are already getting lost down in the stretch.
Be interesting to see if there's a difference?
 

Sif1

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Adive needed for growroom carbon filters.

Size is 13m long , 8m wide, 5 m H. 500m³= 17657.33ft³

!00*600w lights,

5 * 20L per sq/m= approx 350 plants. Coco, drain to waste.

What I need to know is how many extraction fans and carbon filters I will need. I can get Mountain Air here wholesale.

Appreciate all advice, Especially that of Guru Renfro.
 
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