Balls Out First Grow(Whie Widow Scrog, 430w Son Agro Aircooled, DWC, CO2)

Integra21

Integra21

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#1Raiderfan420 said:
Damn Bro, very nice work man. Great job on the scrog, one of the best I have seen. I think we might be on the same day of flower man. I looked back at your first grow and have to say those are some awesome buds Integra. Scribed +++Rep
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Thanks Raider, love getting compliments from experienced growers, makes me feel like I might actually be getting this growing thing figured out. I flipped my lights on June 4th, so if you did on or around that day, you're spot on. This journal is actually a log of my first 4 grows, and am now currently on the 5th. So if you get a chance to do the quick scroll through and look at the pics only, you can see all of the shit that has happened along the way, but nomater what happened, I always ended up with pretty decent herb. Thanks for stopping by, and I'll still always be lurking in your grow.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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quickrip said:
That makes three of us on the same day of flower. Guess everyone was gettin antsy at the same time. Lol.
Great info on the veg nutes into flower a couple weeks integra. Ive got some curling leaves now and I bet thats why. Next round I will try waiting on the flower nutes for sure. Btw hows your minigen working for you? I bought one and it kept shutting off no matter what I did. I sent it back for repair and it still had the same problem. I tried new propane and no luck. Just wondering if yours is consistantly working for you. Also do you have it hooked to a controller or timer or what? Mine was hooked to the fuzzy logic. Ive now gone to a tank and returned the minigen. I hope your having a better experience. Plants are looking fabulous man.
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I guess we have had similar problems. I have only had mine running for maybe 4 weeks total since I got it 5 months ago. I worked great for the first 30 days, but then wouldnt light. I sent it back to them for repair, and their customer service was great. They told me a piece of teflon tape was cloged in the gas line and fixed it. It worked great after I got it back for another 3 weeks, but then had the same issue. I decided I was going to take it apart, and did. I manage to get it working for about 3 days, but then it did the same thing again. I am planning on taking it apart again, but havent found the time. Its such a stupid problem, but it wont work in its current condiition. I thing in a few months, I may just upgrade to the hydrogen pro and try to fix and keep the mini as a backup, because when it worked, it worked very well. Just in case you didnt know, fuzzy logic controllers are ment to be used on bottled gas, and standard controllers are for generators. Im not sure exactly why, but it stated several time in my Setinel manual to turn fuzzy logic off if using a generator.
 
quickrip

quickrip

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Integra21 said:
I guess we have had similar problems. I have only had mine running for maybe 4 weeks total since I got it 5 months ago. I worked great for the first 30 days, but then wouldnt light. I sent it back to them for repair, and their customer service was great. They told me a piece of teflon tape was cloged in the gas line and fixed it. It worked great after I got it back for another 3 weeks, but then had the same issue. I decided I was going to take it apart, and did. I manage to get it working for about 3 days, but then it did the same thing again. I am planning on taking it apart again, but havent found the time. Its such a stupid problem, but it wont work in its current condiition. I thing in a few months, I may just upgrade to the hydrogen pro and try to fix and keep the mini as a backup, because when it worked, it worked very well. Just in case you didnt know, fuzzy logic controllers are ment to be used on bottled gas, and standard controllers are for generators. Im not sure exactly why, but it stated several time in my Setinel manual to turn fuzzy logic off if using a generator.
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The fuzzy pulses to slow co2 regulator so that your target ppm doesnt get passed up. With a generator its not a good idea to ingnite over and over so thats why they have the setting without the pulsing for them. My cap fuzzy logic has a setting for gens also, but the minigen still wouldnt work. Im convinced that they havent worked out the bugs with that thing yet. I just got a cap regulator yesterday to go with the fuzzy and tank setup. This should be the last of my co2 problems. Fingers crossed. Btw hydro innovations customer service was great for me also but if you cant make your own product work properly then who the hell can?
 
Integra21

Integra21

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Piss & Blue Kush Day 24 of 12/12
CO2 PPM 550
Rm Temp 79F
RH 50%
PH 5.8-6.1
PPM 750
Res Temp 71F


















Some of you might notice that the saw tips on the leaves are a little more curled than last week, this was from me putting 4ml of SnowStorm Ultra into my 5gal res. It had no other advers effects on the plants, but did make those tips curl more than they were. Is this the begening of a K burn? I have had it in small ammounts on every grow of mine so far. As always, if you have any questions or comments, feel free to post them here.
 
#1Raiderfan420

#1Raiderfan420

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They look friggin awesome. I get some burnt tips usually after the ppms go over 1000, but with low ppms it might be from lights being too close. There are a few leaves that look like they are a bit bleached. But hey they look great man. Why do you have your co2 so low? I have been running 1450, I thought that was optimal. I may be wrong.
 
littlegrower2004

littlegrower2004

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plenty of bud porn for us this week from that cat piss. those blue kush really filled that screen out nicely too and will probably be getting nice and hairy from here on out.
 
DST

DST

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hey Integra, nice pics man. Like youi said I did notice the little upturn on the edge of the fan leaves.....again hydro not being my thing I assume the Snowstorm you mention (which sounds like a booster of some sort) has just taken them over the edge a bit on the npk ratios.....so I assume your K overload assumtion is correct. Is this the first time you used that product? And any reason why? But if it has happened on your other grows then I wouldn't worry since yer gear always looks the bomb!! Rep you the next time pal,,,,gotta spread some loving first, lol.

Laters,

DST
 
Integra21

Integra21

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quickrip said:
They look amazing to me, but I dont know too much about nute burn situations.
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Thanks bro. We all learn about them eventualy.
#1Raiderfan420 said:
They look friggin awesome. I get some burnt tips usually after the ppms go over 1000, but with low ppms it might be from lights being too close. There are a few leaves that look like they are a bit bleached. But hey they look great man. Why do you have your co2 so low? I have been running 1450, I thought that was optimal. I may be wrong.
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You are correct. Thats a great setpoint. My co2 gen has been down for 3 weeks now, still havent gotten around to fixing it. That is just the number it sits at with no generator.I always push the nutrients to the point where the tips burn a little, but so far thats at 750ppm or a little higher on all of my strains. And sadly, I can move my lights, so the ones in the middle usually get a little bleached, but Ive gotten used to it.
littlegrower2004 said:
plenty of bud porn for us this week from that cat piss. those blue kush really filled that screen out nicely too and will probably be getting nice and hairy from here on out.
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People seem to love bud porn, so Im just trying to please the masses. Thanks for stopping by.
DST said:
hey Integra, nice pics man. Like youi said I did notice the little upturn on the edge of the fan leaves.....again hydro not being my thing I assume the Snowstorm you mention (which sounds like a booster of some sort) has just taken them over the edge a bit on the npk ratios.....so I assume your K overload assumtion is correct. Is this the first time you used that product? And any reason why? But if it has happened on your other grows then I wouldn't worry since yer gear always looks the bomb!! Rep you the next time pal,,,,gotta spread some loving first, lol.

Laters,

DST
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Yeah, it is Humbold Countys own Snowstorm Ultra and Gravity. Havent used the gravity yet, but a day after the snowstorm was added, showed some signs of burn, the weird thing is the curled parts are still soft, not crispy, thats a first for me. The funny thing is I use very weak nutrients(750ppm) and thats with all of the addatives already added. My base nutrients are more around 400ppm. I adjusted my ppms down to 600 and added the snowstorm at about 1/3 strenght and it still burned them a little. But it did as advertised and they were noticably frostier overnight. I will play around with this product a little more to see if I can use it more effectively. If anyone has experiance with this product and could offer some help, it would be much appreciated.
BlackRoses said:
Those are looking gorgeous bro!!
got some burnt tips there.. other then that AMAZING!!!
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Yeah, I always push my nutrients to the limit to see what they can handle, so you will always see a little tip burn on all of my grows. But it never seems to affect the buds in a negative way as you can see, just makes my pics look good instead of perfect. Havent seen you in a while, what you been up to?
 
stelthy

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Truely fantastic man this is pretty much what I'll refer to as and when I decide to go big in the future :) how many actual house rooms does it take up? I really like the quality of your work, and the results have done you and your work justice "REP" coming your way! peace :) - STELTHY
 
Integra21

Integra21

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stelthy said:
Truely fantastic man this is pretty much what I'll refer to as and when I decide to go big in the future :) how many actual house rooms does it take up? I really like the quality of your work, and the results have done you and your work justice "REP" coming your way! peace :) - STELTHY
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It actually takes up very little space. I keep my veg area upstairs in half of my closet, with a tent I built that is 5ftx6ftx8ft. And my flower room is under my stairs in a crawlspace that is 4feet deep, 10 feet long and 3.5 feet tall. I am trying to make the best of my very small space, and on that note, I haven't seen anyone besides myself run 1200w in a room that was only 3ft4in tall.
 
Jozikins

Jozikins

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Integra21 said:
It actually takes up very little space. I keep my veg area upstairs in half of my closet, with a tent I built that is 5ftx6ftx8ft. And my flower room is under my stairs in a crawlspace that is 4feet deep, 10 feet long and 3.5 feet tall. I am trying to make the best of my very small space, and on that note, I haven't seen anyone besides myself run 1200w in a room that was only 3ft4in tall.
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I still can't believe you got 1200w with a 3 1/3' tall space! I've read this whole journal back and fourth and it still blows my mind how well you have done.
 
Integra21

Integra21

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whodatnation said:
I dont know how it took me so long to find this but hell yeh Im gonna ride along. :-)
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Thanks for finding your way over, I was suprised I didnt have more of the 600w club hanging out in here. Just for the info, I always update on Mon/Tues so and really try to stick to a weekly update because its easier to track. Nice to be getting input from you since your setup is very similar, just doubled.
BongKong420 said:
Thank you for this I think Ima base alot of my new set up like this when I move to Cali.....
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Cool shit BongKong. Hope there are a few good Ideas for you, if you want any helf with the planning Im always happy to answer questions in rediculous detail. You do really good on your own, but fresh outside ideas are always goodd. Everyone likes to have choices.
 
whodatnation

whodatnation

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I was reading through your journal and cant remember what bulbs you said you were using. Is it an Agrosun Dual Arc Bulb? and its 400w?-thanks
 
Integra21

Integra21

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woodsmantoker said:
Swinging by to say howdy, lookin good brother.

Woodsman~
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Thanks for swinging by. I havent seen you in a while. Hows the growing going?
whodatnation said:
I was reading through your journal and cant remember what bulbs you said you were using. Is it an Agrosun Dual Arc Bulb? and its 400w?-thanks
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The first run I did at the begening of this journal was with a 430w Philips SonAgro single filament bulb. But before the last run I upgraded to a Lumatek dual 600w and Im running Ushio OptiRed bulbs in in SuperSunII reflectors. So the last 2lb run was with 1200w.
 
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