Best way to combat pythium and root rot in all hydroponic growing methods.

WeedFreak78

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I'm running 80sec on/8 mins off in lp aero/nft hybrid rails. I can't find the thread but someone found this to be the "best" timing in thier system. I don't remember who exactly, but it was one of the few members here that I've read and trust thier opinions. I had to bump up EC shortly after changing, but that may have just been due to the age of plants and not the cycle change, idk, could be because of less frequent feedings.
 

Budley Doright

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I'm running 80sec on/8 mins off in lp aero/nft hybrid rails. I can't find the thread but someone found this to be the "best" timing in thier system. I don't remember who exactly, but it was one of the few members here that I've read and trust thier opinions. I had to bump up EC shortly after changing, but that may have just been due to the age of plants and not the cycle change, idk, could be because of less frequent feedings.
I would have liked to play more but never did get a cycle timer. I know many commercial veggy growers fun a continuous spray. Kinda gave up on sprayer's and returned to the old faithful flood and drain :).
 

OGMMJ

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"Old faithful" might be the exact words for flood and drain haha. My buddy has done it for a few years now and it's like the epitome of the guy who throws some air stones in a Rez with nutrients and constantly produces funk.

That being said that's why it will be my fall back if I throw in the towel with the aero, will build my own flood table to fit my space and probably just keep the cloner aero and make a 2x2 table for veg, 2x7 for flower, as you can see I've already done my planning for that as well, was going to be my original plan until I came across LP aero

UPDATE FROM YESTERDAY, I ph'd my vegger down to 5.5 yesterday after I did the super soak on my cloner and today it was at 6.6, so my suspiscion that the brown slime is going to be in the vegger as well is likely the truth, that being said I will perform the exact routine I did to my cloner yesterday to my vegger tomorrow (thorough bleach cleanse) then I will add hydroguard and pondzyme every other day to hopefully reinoculate with a fresh start and only beneficial bacteria, only thing is none of the plants are big enough to clone yet so I'm not going to toss the infected ones yet (which is probably just asking for it to come back) until I can get some clones, really like the structure of one of them and the other is my white widow big bud so I would like to get a cut off that, if somehow I breed some super slime and worst comes to worst after I get cuts I will rebuild a new vegger,

In good notes 5-6 new seedlings have sprouted:clap:
 

Budley Doright

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I started with a drip system, then ebb and flow, then flood and drain, then LPA, then back lol. And started outdoors at 14-15 so wow.... 45 years lol. And still know crap lol. It's weird that your not getting rid of the shit, it would be nice if an aero guy could help out! You should start a thread in the aero section but beware a thousand cures will be thrown at you lol. I used a pond microbe a few weeks ago and within three days I had algae anywhere a tube was exposed to light, added extra dose (their recommended dose) of 2 ml per liter and poof gone . But it was not pondzyme :(.
 

Budley Doright

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I'm running 80sec on/8 mins off in lp aero/nft hybrid rails. I can't find the thread but someone found this to be the "best" timing in thier system. I don't remember who exactly, but it was one of the few members here that I've read and trust thier opinions. I had to bump up EC shortly after changing, but that may have just been due to the age of plants and not the cycle change, idk, could be because of less frequent feedings.
I have rails already drilled and ready to go, just always thinking the roots would be a pain to deal with. There is a product called slim duct that I think would be cool to try in the 5.5" size. The top snaps in place so basically if laid horizontal there is a rounded trough with a snap in place lid but not sure about light penetration. Easy access to the root zone and spray heads would be nice.
 

OGMMJ

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I started with a drip system, then ebb and flow, then flood and drain, then LPA, then back lol. And started outdoors at 14-15 so wow.... 45 years lol. And still know crap lol. It's weird that your not getting rid of the shit, it would be nice if an aero guy could help out! You should start a thread in the aero section but beware a thousand cures will be thrown at you lol. I used a pond microbe a few weeks ago and within three days I had algae anywhere a tube was exposed to light, added extra dose (their recommended dose) of 2 ml per liter and poof gone . But it was not pondzyme :(.
Must have been an inaccurate reading yesterday checked this morning before work and it was 5.8 so still rising but not near what I thought, the 400mh I threw in there came out because the cheap ipower duct booster I was using to keep temps down from it went out on day 2. So the 250 watt CFL it is. So the res temps were a little higher then normal yesterday (68 degrees) (usually 62-64) maybe the ph meter read inaccurately because of that idk, it's a cheap meter, not to worried because new roots are still nice, and still doing a fresh bleach wash and Rez change today after work. Will see how things go from there.

Smashed some rosin last night, tried a big glob this morning before work ....
Very effective, very tasty. Solventless.
:bigjoint:
 

WeedFreak78

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I have rails already drilled and ready to go, just always thinking the roots would be a pain to deal with. There is a product called slim duct that I think would be cool to try in the 5.5" size. The top snaps in place so basically if laid horizontal there is a rounded trough with a snap in place lid but not sure about light penetration. Easy access to the root zone and spray heads would be nice.
I'm in 5" fence post. I just lift a net pot if I want to look in, never had an issue with sprayers. I was worried about access to the roots, but it hasn't been an issue. If the res is good the roots are good.
 

Budley Doright

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Must have been an inaccurate reading yesterday checked this morning before work and it was 5.8 so still rising but not near what I thought, the 400mh I threw in there came out because the cheap ipower duct booster I was using to keep temps down from it went out on day 2. So the 250 watt CFL it is. So the res temps were a little higher then normal yesterday (68 degrees) (usually 62-64) maybe the ph meter read inaccurately because of that idk, it's a cheap meter, not to worried because new roots are still nice, and still doing a fresh bleach wash and Rez change today after work. Will see how things go from there.

Smashed some rosin last night, tried a big glob this morning before work ....
Very effective, very tasty. Solventless.
:bigjoint:
Are you measuring your EC as well? Never tried solventless but would love to design something using refrigerant or CO2. The reason I asked about the EC is mine will rise slightly or lower slightly depending on EC.
 

Budley Doright

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I'm in 5" fence post. I just lift a net pot if I want to look in, never had an issue with sprayers. I was worried about access to the roots, but it hasn't been an issue. If the res is good the roots are good.
That's what I have ready to go, just never hit the switch on them and I said fuck the sprayer's, had to many issues to warrant running them :(.
 

OGMMJ

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Are you measuring your EC as well? Never tried solventless but would love to design something using refrigerant or CO2. The reason I asked about the EC is mine will rise slightly or lower slightly depending on EC.
I can measure the EC when I get home.

Was .7
Roughly 365-385 ppm

Interested in what it will be when I get home, I followed bontanicares feeding schedule last res change but this one I think I will switch to superstoners recipe, should have stuck to the step by step method anyway and maybe would have prevented this. But on the other hand probably not, didn't expect to jump right into aero and not have any learning curve and start pulling a gram per watt
 

Budley Doright

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I can measure the EC when I get home.

Was .7
Roughly 365-385 ppm

Interested in what it will be when I get home, I followed bontanicares feeding schedule last res change but this one I think I will switch to superstoners recipe, should have stuck to the step by step method anyway and maybe would have prevented this. But on the other hand probably not, didn't expect to jump right into aero and not have any learning curve and start pulling a gram per watt
LOL there is no other way than to jump lol. Once you get things rocking you'll see that they can take a higher EC, well I did and went from .6 to 1.2 EC in a couple of weeks.
 

Tripp2005

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Very possibly because my ph has been in the 6.1-6.3 range, I would like to start keeping everything at like 5.6-5.8 but waiting until I change the Rez this weekend
Have u tryed advanced there shit is the bomb haven't had to worries about pH at all they get all they need because it chelated
 

OGMMJ

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Have u tryed advanced there shit is the bomb haven't had to worries about pH at all they get all they need because it chelated
Hey Tripp, no I haven't tried advanced, I have some trial size bottles of b 52 and nirvana on my shelf but didn't plan on using it, really impressed with everyone's turnout with botanicare, next run I'm going to try out cyco, buddy runs it and always has great lush green fast growth
 

OGMMJ

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Hey guys, another update before a Rez change tomorrow, roots are improving greatly in the veg system still. Plants overall are looking healthier then ever. Tomorrow when I change the Rez I'm going to follow the super stoner recipe, I might or might not add the other additives I have that are not included in the recipe, I'll decide tomorrow, the girls are finally noticably eating though, this whole time my ppm/ec has stayed almost the same and finally it is dropping, causing a slight ph rise. But yay! Glad to know they are eating, still not sure if they are getting as much as they should/could but the ec has went down from .7 to .6 in maybe 72 hours. (25-45 ppm decrease daily)

But I'm still having issues with my cloner bucket, I'm starting to really think about just parting it out and making a larger system if I can fit it in the tent. I'm starting to think the fact that it only holds 2 gallons is going to constantly give me headaches, I can't stop the ph from rising, I thought I had the answer with the brown sludge I found but maybe not, (still very happy I found that) i have another pump I might just try and put the lid of it on a bigger bucket so atleast it can be 4 gallons or so. I wish I could fit the "cooler cloner" side by side but I just don't think I can pull it off, Might be setting up that other 3x3 tent I've been considering sooner then I anticipated, I also want to get another 250w CFL over the veg unit so it's 500w of CFL. Liked having the 400mh in there more but after the cheap duct booster went out after a day I switched back.

Anyways here's some pics from last Thursday (first 2) and then today :bigjoint:
 

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Budley Doright

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Hey guys, another update before a Rez change tomorrow, roots are improving greatly in the veg system still. Plants overall are looking healthier then ever. Tomorrow when I change the Rez I'm going to follow the super stoner recipe, I might or might not add the other additives I have that are not included in the recipe, I'll decide tomorrow, the girls are finally noticably eating though, this whole time my ppm/ec has stayed almost the same and finally it is dropping, causing a slight ph rise. But yay! Glad to know they are eating, still not sure if they are getting as much as they should/could but the ec has went down from .7 to .6 in maybe 72 hours. (25-45 ppm decrease daily)

But I'm still having issues with my cloner bucket, I'm starting to really think about just parting it out and making a larger system if I can fit it in the tent. I'm starting to think the fact that it only holds 2 gallons is going to constantly give me headaches, I can't stop the ph from rising, I thought I had the answer with the brown sludge I found but maybe not, (still very happy I found that) i have another pump I might just try and put the lid of it on a bigger bucket so atleast it can be 4 gallons or so. I wish I could fit the "cooler cloner" side by side but I just don't think I can pull it off, Might be setting up that other 3x3 tent I've been considering sooner then I anticipated, I also want to get another 250w CFL over the veg unit so it's 500w of CFL. Liked having the 400mh in there more but after the cheap duct booster went out after a day I switched back.

Anyways here's some pics from last Thursday (first 2) and then today :bigjoint:
I followed him when I first started and as much as admired what he did with his plants I didn't agree with some advice. I did pick out a bunch of his stuff and incorporate it in my trays. Your roots are looking way better FYI :). You tend to learn lots when things go for a shit lol. Your air stone in the cloner might be the culprit re ph climbing, I ditched all air stones and my ph was way more stable. I just use water pumps now to add DO to all my trays.
 

OGMMJ

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I followed him when I first started and as much as admired what he did with his plants I didn't agree with some advice. I did pick out a bunch of his stuff and incorporate it in my trays. Your roots are looking way better FYI :). You tend to learn lots when things go for a shit lol. Your air stone in the cloner might be the culprit re ph climbing, I ditched all air stones and my ph was way more stable. I just use water pumps now to add DO to all my trays.
Hey bud; no Airstone in the cloner, I wish that was the answer, any ways I'm excited to say I should be finishing up my new cloner this evening. I was mentioning wanting to do a cooler cloner, haven't been happy with my bucket lately, lid is cracked, water leaks out around the net pots because the holes are drilled a wee bit too big, only holds 2 gallons of water so it's a pain to keep cool and I think a larger Rez will maintain ph better. Found a matching tote to my vegger with a black lid already and it will fit like a glove next to my vegger in my system and also allow many more plant sites. Hopefully after that and I have a brand new pump I can use I can maintain much more stable numbers in the cloner, I recently added the use of a white board in my space haha! Simple tools make things much easier, now I just write my ec/ppm/ ph down every evening when I check and then I can monitor what it has done throughout the week,

May I ask what advice you didn't agree with from superstoner? Working on finishing up my single rail flower system with the drain at the end that runs into a tube into the side of my res so I don't have to cut any holes in my lid.
 

Budley Doright

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Hey bud; no Airstone in the cloner, I wish that was the answer, any ways I'm excited to say I should be finishing up my new cloner this evening. I was mentioning wanting to do a cooler cloner, haven't been happy with my bucket lately, lid is cracked, water leaks out around the net pots because the holes are drilled a wee bit too big, only holds 2 gallons of water so it's a pain to keep cool and I think a larger Rez will maintain ph better. Found a matching tote to my vegger with a black lid already and it will fit like a glove next to my vegger in my system and also allow many more plant sites. Hopefully after that and I have a brand new pump I can use I can maintain much more stable numbers in the cloner, I recently added the use of a white board in my space haha! Simple tools make things much easier, now I just write my ec/ppm/ ph down every evening when I check and then I can monitor what it has done throughout the week,

May I ask what advice you didn't agree with from superstoner? Working on finishing up my single rail flower system with the drain at the end that runs into a tube into the side of my res so I don't have to cut any holes in my lid.
Well the not changing out res's and just refilling may work for him but really think it's not way to go, he must have magical water lol. Haven't read anything lately but there were a few things that he did that I would not do but it seemed to work for him, found him kind of cranky if you asked to many questions lol. I don't get the guys that just give three word sentences for advice and no explanation as to why it works, not very helpful for a newb like myself that tends to ask to many questions I guess lol.
 

Tripp2005

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So I just found out that my holy grail tends to run 9-10 weeks I think I'm going to run outta room in my cabinet because I let the bd on the back left and holy grail back right veg to long I thought it was mostly indica because of th3 rock hard nugs but I guess not what u guys think been pulling down tops tryimg to let other ctch up a bit fliped 4 days ago and there startimg to stretch have preflowers on everything but ak so IMG_20160511_203451543.jpg IMG_20160511_203513080.jpg far there's 7 diff strains in here mob ,hg,bd,ak47,gsc,liberty haze and critical kush
 

Budley Doright

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Looks like your gonna be doing some training :o. It would be nice to get the canopy as even as possible. I just harvested all of my plants halfway down and there's a massive amount of fluff left so I'm going to let it keep going. The issue I had was no room left to train and I didn't lollypop anything, poor light penetration. Never had so much fluff from plants :o it was like a whole other grow going on in the middle lol.
 
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