California??? Did what???

undertheice said:

california has long been the leader in the great socialist revolution here in the u.s. only prop 13 has kept us from being the most highly taxed state in the union and yet the deficit still grows. the mountains of red tape generated by an ever growing bureaucracy and the do-nothing social programs that have buried us here are a foreshadowing of what awaits the rest of the country should the spendthrift powers of the liberal establishment truly take hold of government.

even the idiotic liberal elitists of this state are beginning to wake up to the fact that government seems to double in size every few years and we get nothing from that mess of slobbering bureaucrats but special interest pork and a government payroll that finances the extravagances of ivory tower demagogues. californians have seen first hand what lies down the road to the welfare state and, ahead of the curve as usual, are crying "enough is enough".

the question remains; are they willing to give up some of the far fetched dreams and promises of their liberal masters in order to regain the equilibrium they have lost? are they willing to admit that we cannot hold the productive responsible for raising the standard of living for every last failure and welfare fraud and still attract the wealth necessary for even the most rudimentary of services? the unwashed masses want it all. they want low taxes and all the free stuff that the government hucksters have promised them. well, you just can't have it all. they have chosen to start limiting the increasingly ridiculous demands for cash of their irresponsible representatives. are they now prepared to sacrifice the welfare state illusions and demand some responsibility and rationality from their elected officials or will they just keep on insisting on all those goodies and force government to find some other way to cheat us all out of our liberties and what little wealth we may be able to hold on to?

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medicineman said:

Talk about an elitist asshole viewpoint!

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undertheice said:

we are all the unwashed masses, fool. some of us are willing to clean up a bit and strive for something better, but we all somewhere started at that point of having nothing, groveling in the muck to make ends meet. some of us were lucky enough to have forebearers who succeeded and passed on that success, but it all started in the dirt. the very idea that those who succeed should foricbly be held responsible for raising the standard of living for everyone else is a slap in the face to generations that labored for what wealth they could manage. and don't give me that crap about the rich making their fortunes on the backs of the poor, you know that's a steaming pile of pseudo-marxist rhetoric and doesn't really fool anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together. for every one of those greedy capitalist pigs you so love to throw in our faces that climbed the ladder on the backs of those beneath them, there are a thousand who mounted each rung on their own and even lent a hand to those around them who faltered. your obsession with the greed of the rich only mirrors your own petty avarice and shows how little you value what charity does exist within the spirit of man.

this entire concept of enforced charity so beloved of socialistic buffoons denies that there is any good in man. it is the crude shadow of their own self loathing that makes them believe we must all be forced at gunpoint to do what is right and it is almost as disgusting as the petty sniping and scapegoating they revel in.

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CaRNiFReeK said:

Exodus to the South? Lol, I think more like this is what they meant when they said California was going to fall into the sea.

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ilkhan said:

GOTCHA!!

Sorry, that was me being an ass.
Just messing with you

I'm pretty much right there with you.
The rich should be MADE to own up to their responsibility, LOL.

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medicineman said:

95% of the problem still remains after all the charitable contributions.

I'd like to see the cold hard facts that support THAT statement. There are however numerous studies that show conservative Republicans give a far higher percentage of their worth to charity than Liberal Democrats in the same income levels. Across the board...I can dig up a few if you'd like

Those "hard working" rich folks that passed down their fortunes to selfish lazy fools that now control the country and the planet, must be rolling over in their graves.

I think you're confusing them with the founders of this great nation..they sir are most definitely rolling in their graves

I'm always amused by how casually you say: Forced at gunpoint to contribute to charity. Well, that is probably the only way you'd contribute, and BTW, have you actually had a gun pointed at you?

Actually, if you choose not to contribute to the "forced charity" which is taken in the form of outrageous taxation, then yes as they take you into custody there will be guns present. Continue to object and I think its safe to assume those guns will be drawn...so the use of FORCED TO CONTRIBUTE TO CHARITY is quite accurate.

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undertheice said:

a monster? quite possibly, but that's another matter completely. greedy? if by that you mean that i feel i should decide what happens to the fruits of my labors, then i suppose i am. it's time y'all got off of your high horse and realized the true nature of the bloated bureaucracy you advocate. you have no right to the moral high ground.

despite your accusations, i'm just a blue collar slob trying to make it through the day and live a righteous life. i give fair value to my customers for the fees i charge, i treat those around me honestly and charitably and i give what i can of my time and money to organizations i see as worthwhile and of service to the community. these are my sins and i won't deny them. i don't expect any reciprocity, though it would be nice, and i don't expect a pat on the back for doing what is right. like millions of americans, i do expect to be allowed to do what i see as right and it seems that quite a few are beginning to understand that the formalized corruption of big government is nothing more than a hindrance to the ethical behavior it demands of its subjects.

the libelous fantasy of the evil rich is beginning to wear a bit thin. they are already responsible for the lion's share of the monies these bureaucratic dilettantes feel they need and the greedy masses are always demanding more. with war cries of "it's all for the children" and "you already have more than you need", the avaricious mob uses the strength of government to steal from the haves whatever the have nots desire and that need knows no end. at some point we have to realize that poverty cannot be eradicated at gunpoint.

the real evil here exists within a government that uses the very real needs of the poor and disenfranchised to line its own pockets and increase its power over the people. overly lucrative union contracts, special interest pressures and well intentioned but ill conceived social programs have created this monster of a massive and unyielding bureaucracy that has wasted the wealth of california and is forcing those with the ability to flee and take their wealth with them. the corruption of representatives whose driving force is reelection has squandered our resources on pleasing the lobbyists and appeasing the mob that feels entitled to all the best of what they see around them.

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ilkhan said:

MuyLoco
He was responding to my rant.
I was kidding,
I do that some times.
Just be totaly obviously over the top.
Just to see what happens.

I guess my sarcassm was a little to convincing this time.
Sorry LOL.

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fdd2blk said:

i got it. it was way obvious. just shows you how blind some people really are, eh? or they just like to argue.

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MuyLocoNC said:

Actually it was obvious ilkhan and neither of my two posts were directed at you. I responded to Medman's usual drivel and then simply posted my support for undertheice's statement. Neither post was directed at you, just liberals in general. I liked his argument. I guess SOME people ARE BLIND or they just like to make incorrect assumptions and then comment about said assumption.

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fdd2blk said:

there were others who replied to him.

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undertheice said:

california has long been the leader in the great socialist revolution here in the u.s. only prop 13 has kept us from being the most highly taxed state in the union and yet the deficit still grows. the mountains of red tape generated by an ever growing bureaucracy and the do-nothing social programs that have buried us here are a foreshadowing of what awaits the rest of the country should the spendthrift powers of the liberal establishment truly take hold of government.

even the idiotic liberal elitists of this state are beginning to wake up to the fact that government seems to double in size every few years and we get nothing from that mess of slobbering bureaucrats but special interest pork and a government payroll that finances the extravagances of ivory tower demagogues. californians have seen first hand what lies down the road to the welfare state and, ahead of the curve as usual, are crying "enough is enough".

the question remains; are they willing to give up some of the far fetched dreams and promises of their liberal masters in order to regain the equilibrium they have lost? are they willing to admit that we cannot hold the productive responsible for raising the standard of living for every last failure and welfare fraud and still attract the wealth necessary for even the most rudimentary of services? the unwashed masses want it all. they want low taxes and all the free stuff that the government hucksters have promised them. well, you just can't have it all. they have chosen to start limiting the increasingly ridiculous demands for cash of their irresponsible representatives. are they now prepared to sacrifice the welfare state illusions and demand some responsibility and rationality from their elected officials or will they just keep on insisting on all those goodies and force government to find some other way to cheat us all out of our liberties and what little wealth we may be able to hold on to?

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fdd2blk said:

you all seem so sensitive to my statement. i had no idea.

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