defoliation? yes/no and techniques

Uncle Ben said:

Never had the problem. Mites and aphids, yes, thrips no. I'd use malathion but stop spraying if you're 10 days from harvest. If they're young plants you could use a imidacloprid product. It's a systemic labeled for everything and anything consumable including tobacco.

Checked the label, active ingredient is permethrin which I use on a commercial basis - Tenguard. That should give you complete control. Are you using a surfactant and do you understand the life cycle of your pest? You must do both......

UB

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Uncle Ben,

Thank you for your reply. Bonide's "eight" active ingredient is permethrin so I guess I'm using the right bullets.....I'll look into the Tenguard.....Can I use either on flowering plants? I'm told Thrips like laying eggs in buds...fuckers....

Lil Roach

Uncle Ben said:

Say what? I understand that reading comprehension is not your strongest suit but that is ridiculous. When in the hell did I say anything about "root pruning" during flowering? And it isn't "root pruning" shit-fer-brains, the method is root tip pruning which increases root mass via profuse lateral secondary root output.... which greatly enhances a plant's ability to increase water and nutrient uptake which increases vigor and rate of growth. It's another hormonal response but since you jerks don't understand 'normal' plant processes, you're lost. It's been practiced by normal, conventional professionals for decades, especially in the forestry industry. Ever heard of RootMaker products? READ, you fuckin' moron and stop spinning...... and if you can't read this you can open up Jorge Cervantes' Bible where me and this method is mentioned in text and photos - https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/9114-spin-out-chemical-root-pruning.html

http://www.rngr.net/publications/proceedings/1997/crawford.pdf/at.../file‎

Whoa, quick search shows ICMag lifted it. https://www.icmag.com/modules/Tutorials/GrowthCont/1321.htm

....and another, this after stripping the credits (typical) - http://cannabis.com/growing/growth_regulators_and_hormones-how-can-i-use-spin-out-for-chemical-root-pruning.html

Now, hand the keyboard back to your big brother and go to bed kid.

UB

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say what stupid? it's clear that reading comprehension or definition of simple terms isn't your strong point, so i'll help you. taking anything off a plant is called pruning, dummy? don't believe me, just lookup the word pruning. ohhh, he so smart, aint he? shit with all that education that you claim to have, i am surprise to see that you're still having problems with minute terms.

whoa, i guess you told me. hahahaha.

and yes, i've seen you mentioning root pruning (oh my bad, root tip pruning) during the flowering stages and also recommending it, you bullshit artist. you are a straight liar and that's something i would gladly tell you to your face, lame.

check you out, "can someone please report him", who the fuck are you again? i guess you snap your fingers and everyone stops at attention, heeding your every beckoning demand.

as for your other points, i don't share the same sentiments with you. unlike your lackies, i rarely let my plants sit in a pot to the point that i have to root prune (oh my bad, spin) and i also know how to keep a plant healthy without having to do all the work that is considered "uncleben's way". once again, check you out, putting your name on common knowledge that existed long before you.

like i said, you only sound good to those here (that mainly/mostly consist of a shit load of newb's), because i have yet to hear on all boards i frequent people repping "uncleben" and his methods.

Fresh 2 De@th said:

say what stupid? it's clear that reading comprehension or definition of simple terms isn't your strong point, so i'll help you. taking anything off a plant is called pruning, dummy? don't believe me, just lookup the word pruning. ohhh, he so smart, aint he? shit with all that education that you claim to have, i am surprise to see that you're still having problems with minute terms.

whoa, i guess you told me. hahahaha.

and yes, i've seen you mentioning root pruning (oh my bad, root tip pruning) during the flowering stages and also recommending it, you bullshit artist. you are a straight liar and that's something i would gladly tell you to your face, lame.

check you out, "can someone please report him", who the fuck are you again? i guess you snap your fingers and everyone stops at attention, heeding your every beckoning demand.

as for your other points, i don't share the same sentiments with you. unlike your lackies, i rarely let my plants sit in a pot to the point that i have to root prune (oh my bad, spin) and i also know how to keep a plant healthy without having to do all the work that is considered "uncleben's way". once again, check you out, putting your name on common knowledge that existed long before you.

like i said, you only sound good to those here (that mainly/mostly consist of a shit load of newb's), because i have yet to hear on all boards i frequent people repping "uncleben" and his methods.

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Like anyone has ever heard of BreathlikeDe@th,What a joke.

Don't hate...DEFOLIATE!!! I like it all. All new methods are fun and different. I'm yet to try the 4 cola topping Uncle Ben uses...think I'll try that next. I have some plants that are @7/8 nodes and I have to cut after second node?! Can I make two clones with the left over 5 nodes?! Hate to change the subject but I know UB and lilroach have been all over this thread. Maybe I can get some answers...then talk about how awesome defoliating is lol.

lilroach said:

Uncle Ben,

Thank you for your reply. Bonide's "eight" active ingredient is permethrin so I guess I'm using the right bullets.....I'll look into the Tenguard.....Can I use either on flowering plants? I'm told Thrips like laying eggs in buds...fuckers....

Lil Roach

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You don't need Tenguard. It's 38% versus your 2.5% permethrin used by folks like me that airblast our crops mixing up 50 gallons or so of spray at a time. Bonide should be fine. It's hitting them at the right time that's crucial. Your target should be the larvae and/or the adults. If you kill either eventually you'll have control.

Follow the label. A lot of time and testing went into the application rates and timing of these products.

Uncle Ben said:

Say what? There is no hormonal imbalance. What the hell are you talking about?

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EXACTLY what I thought....Your experience is all talk and falls short of real experience as stated by this comment. Basic botany...JAS

JonnyAppleSeed420 said:

EXACTLY what I thought....Your experience is all talk and falls short of real experience as stated by this comment. Basic botany...JAS

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Since you're the one launching missiles, please explain this hormonal imbalance to me. Interesting that terminating a root tip causes what you allege. I'll say it again - "What the hell are you talking about?"

Come on big shot....let's talk botany.

Crickets.....

Editing this whole thing..

Here is the problem with talking botany outside of solid accredited research...

I see this A LOT on RIU... People see something in their garden and make bold claims. They make a connection between an action they performed and a result that they see...At times, the result is not the product of the action... they made that connection with their brain.

Everyone's garden is different. We grow different genetics. Different mediums, nutes, blah blah..
BUT!!! some aspects of this hobby is science that has been researched... When you go talking botany and someone calls you out on your cred... eat it. I've done it several times on RIU. Fuck it, who cares...

In my mind... you have one argument here to make. That is the whole "New School MJ growers are finding shit that the old folks just don't know about". Go ahead and run with it... But, if you go all technical with UB, you're gonna get owned.

It's simple.. think it through... if it's bullshit that you pulled out of your arse... don't say it. Either experienced it, or read it. If experienced, realize that though your brain sees A + B = C... you might be missing pieces of the equation.

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I have to say.. I keep seeing people/hearing people use defoliation for improved air circulation.
I have to say.. that seems like a terrible way to address air circulation. Put your engineer cap on and make some air movement happen.

If you have other reasons, ok, that is another argument. <<Then here is where that credible research thing comes in>> But, we all know how co2, leaves and photosynthesis work. Removing leaves to increase air flow (delivering co2 and preventing fungal attacks)... it looks terrible on paper. No?
There are ways to deliver co2 and prevent fungal attacks. The simple answer is more air exchange, better circulated, via fans, ducting and a well designed plan... An air circuit from in(co2 source) to out(exhaust). This infrastructure upgrade, if designed and installed properly will not interfere with the plants ability to perform photosythesis or any other processes that are dependent on your leaves.

Right? So next time someone throws out air circulation in this thread, feel free to copy and paste the above.

It's not an I'm right you're wrong thing. It's just facts on paper. If something in there is incorrect, shoot, please.

Also, along with excellent air exchange and circulation/filtration, I pick genetics that are less prone to PM. Put a Romulan in the same room as a haze plant and observe. Straight Romulan (Next Gen) WILL have PM somewhere in a pack. Even with great air exchange. But, even sitting right next to the Romulan, your haze will likely be untouched by PM. Genetics..

If you are the mother/clone keeper type, genetics are the BEST (imo) way to deal with most things... You want yield? Get high yielding plants. Outdoors in a spider mite infested garden? Get pest resistant genetics. It's simple.

I see landscapers do all sorts of stupid shit in my neighborhood... cram 12 fungus prone Photinia behind windbreak, no full sun, hedging them 30x through the season. Sure you can buy fungicides... but why not just plant something more suitable? The reason is because they do not know what they are doing. Hint hint. Yeah, you... defoliator. haha. I politely suggest the possibility that your PM problems are you, not knowing what you're doing.

it's all "technical" bullshit talk with out up-to-date pics of weed/roots/bud..hell I got some dated 12000 bc weed seeds???sure I do.

Yea I have yet to see any sufficiently sound reason for defoliation. I even saw someone use the example of strains with Lowleaf to flower ratio. When you see a strain that claims to have a lower leaf to flower ratio they are referring to the leaves in the buds not fan leaves.

jacksthc said:

here another plant defoliation in early flower







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More proof chuck estevez is full of shit... Nice pic's

fssalaska said:

More proof chuck estevez is full of shit... Nice pic's

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And the circus rolls on... Trollitup!

Yeah, nice pics.. Pretty plant.. Very generous angle to shoot from.. the above one. I've taken that photo before.
If you're gonna take pics, why not make them pretty? Right... Well, unless you are using them to try to prove your point on superior techniques.

Proof though? Nope.. You have 3 pics there, not proof.

Team defol was way better a few months ago... They at least quit trying to call pics "proof".

Come on man... Tell us about cowpeas.. haha..

I love that one "proof" that is the thread with pics... The guy talking defol... He goes.. "It is common knowledge that cowpeas yield more when defoliated".. HAHA. That shit cracks me up every time... Ah, yes, oh, the cowpeas. Yeah, I forgot about the cowpeas. Haha.

Some of you should quit growing weed and start smuggling it.. The stuff you manage to pull out of your ass...

HeartlandHank said:

And the circus rolls on... Trollitup!

Yeah, nice pics.. Pretty plant.. Very generous angle to shoot from.. the above one. I've taken that photo before.
If you're gonna take pics, why not make them pretty? Right... Well, unless you are using them to try to prove your point on superior techniques.

Proof though? Nope.. You have 3 pics there, not proof.

Team defol was way better a few months ago... They at least quit trying to call pics "proof".

Come on man... Tell us about cowpeas.. haha..

I love that one "proof" that is the thread with pics... The guy talking defol... He goes.. "It is common knowledge that cowpeas yield more when defoliated".. HAHA. That shit cracks me up every time... Ah, yes, oh, the cowpeas. Yeah, I forgot about the cowpeas. Haha.

Some of you should quit growing weed and start smuggling it.. The stuff you manage to pull out of your ass...

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pictures say 1000 words and they don't lie, its the only way, anyone can show there results on here, take pictures off the site and its all talk.

I grow plants and take lots of pictures and keep the best, I have got about 5'000 pictures over the the last 5 years and every time I grow a plant, I look throw my last grow and find ways to improve it
keep records on temps, ph, amount of nutes used at different times in the grow, I spend a lot of hours a weeks working out ways to improve my yield, but I am sure you know best

go on show use some of your top yielding plants, if you have got any

in HLH defense, dude definitely throws down some big girls. i also will profess that i have much more respect for him and how choose to go about explaining things

however, like i explain to him and everyone else in the last thread, everyone's grow situation is different. not everyone has the luxury of spreading plants out or enough room to add supplemental lights to make up for a lack of light penetration due to dense or excessive foliage.

Jack, your pics says a lot and no one can refute it. like i said, science doesn't explains it all, and in a lot of cases has contradicted itself on many occasions; this being one of them.
keep repping daddio, you got my respect all day.

fssalaska said:

More proof chuck estevez is full of shit... Nice pic's

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Mad much Bro?? LMFAO

Fresh 2 De@th said:

in HLH defense, dude definitely throws down some big girls. i also will profess that i have much more respect for him and how choose to go about explaining things

however, like i explain to him and everyone else in the last thread, everyone's grow situation is different. not everyone has the luxury of spreading plants out or enough room to add supplemental lights to make up for a lack of light penetration due to dense or excessive foliage.

Jack, your pics says a lot and no one can refute it. like i said, science doesn't explains it all, and in a lot of cases has contradicted itself on many occasions; this being one of them.
keep repping daddio, you got my respect all day.

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Finally you said something smart, which happens to be something that I said a long time ago, Deleafing is to make up for shitty lighting. If you have good lights and light penetration, you shouldn't have to deleaf.

uhh, duh stupid. why do you think people defoliate? what do you think defoliation is about? it's to allow better light penetration. oh i forget who i am talking to, you the dude that just tried to be trying it or tried it because you heard it was the thing to do without really knowing how to go about it. yup, totally sums you up.

i also see you neglected to highlight the key points why people decide to defoliate, once again to accentuate your point. boy are you so smart, you must have inherited from your boo ub.

Fresh 2 De@th said:

uhh, duh stupid. why do you think people defoliate? what do you think defoliation is about? it's to allow better light penetration. oh i forget who i am talking to, you the dude that just tried to be trying it or tried it because you heard it was the thing to do without really knowing how to go about it. yup, totally sums you up.

i also see you neglected to highlight the key points why people decide to defoliate, once again to accentuate your point. boy are you so smart, you must have inherited from your boo ub.

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YOU have shitty Lighting and YOU have to Defoliate and I'm the one who is stupid? Again LMFAO, you are such a joke, I just sit back and laugh at all the crap you type. I thought defoliating was for bigger yields, not to make up for shitty lighting. You guys can't keep your stories straight.