DMT, Dimethyltryptamine

garder54 said:

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PM maybe? LOL

jomal206 said:

PM maybe? LOL

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yes, PM with any questions about it. Ill be happy to answer.

Guys, don't waste your money on N-Dimethyltriptamine. 5-MeO-DMT is way more worth it in terms of the experience, not to mention the fact that people have been known to have earth-shattering experiences with 5MeO at levels as low at 2 mg. The average dose is 8-10 mg. If you're thinking about purchasing chemicals in bulk, I'd say this would be the much more cost-effective way.

You're a fucking idiot. Who is feeding you this shit??? What makes you think 5-meo-DMT is a better experience then N,N, DMT? I keep reading what you post and you are starting to confuse me, LMFAO. How is it that you never even done any of the 2, yet you compare them????

Dude. I'm going from what I read from PiHKAL. I'm just drawing my opinion from what I read. Sorry you think my opinion makes me an idiot. I will, however, be trying one of them very soon, so I'll keep you posted.

here's some interesting info on DMT: from wikipedia

DMT is generally not active orally unless it is combined with a monoamine oxidase inhibitor (MAOI), such as harmaline. Without a MAOI, the body quickly metabolizes orally-administered DMT, and it therefore has no hallucinogenic effect unless the dose exceeds monoamine oxidase's metabolic capacity (very rare). Other means of ingestion such as smoking or injecting the drug can produce powerful hallucinations and entheogenic activity for a short time (usually less than half an hour), as the DMT reaches the brain before it can be metabolised by the body's natural monoamine oxidase. Taking a MAOI prior to smoking or injecting DMT will greatly prolong and potentiate the effects of DMT.

I was wondering if taking 5-HTP before insufflating 5-MeO-DMT would prolong/potentiate it's effect in the same way that taking an MAOI prior to smoking/injecting DMT prolongs its effects. I don't intend to take the 5-MeO-DMT orally, as I do not have access to an MAOI in order to make it active through this route of admin. I take 5-HTP often, and I know it's a totally different creature than any MAOI, so my thought is this probably won't work. Any thoughts/opinions openly welcomed.

Sorry to steal this thread, but I find this topic really interesting. Thought I'd share an article I recently came across:

Human Pharmacology of Ayahuasca: Subjective and Cardiovascular Effects, Monoamine Metabolite Excretion, and Pharmacokinetics -- Riba et al. 306 (1): 73 -- Journal of Pharmacology And Experimental Therapeutics

porchmonkey4life said:

Sorry you think my opinion makes me an idiot. I will, however, be trying one of them very soon, so I'll keep you posted.

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I wasn't calling you an idiot because of your opinion. You're an idiot because you are willing to give an opinion based on assumptions. I find 5-meo-DMT to be more audiable then visual, it is the combination of the 2 that will blow your mind. I find N,N, DMT to be a better experience alone, but love the full spectrum of the 2 combined.

o.k. cool but I'm not basing my opinion on assumptions. those pihkal entries in Shulgin's book actually contain sections that include commentary by his students. they quantitatively and qualitatively describe their experience to the substances very scientifically. not to mention the handful of scientific articles I've also been reading on both substances. I actually am a pretty educated individual, but I'm no chemist, and I'm just beginning to learn about the exciting world of psychedelics, so please pardon if I do sound like an idiot sometimes.

I've really wanted to try DMT for a while now but never have access to it. I read a bit about making it from grass but it seems just a little bit complicated so I would probably fuck it up :/

mushrooms are supossidly the oral form of dmt becasue of the hullucinogenic substance haveing a tryptamine heart that is DMT combined with that other chemical someone talked about. IDK of and N DMT, although i have never done it and dont wish to pick sides, I would believe to be stronger then the 5-meo-DMT because i believe 5-meo-DMT only produces audio trips? I could be wrong, just my 2 cents, also read DMT the spirit molecule adn it will tell you that the strongest dose givin that could be discribed as"too much" was n,DMT 0.6 mg injected IV. So fuck smokeign that shit. Also the studies with DMT people got .4 mg as a high dose adn some people found it too much. I suggest you do it IV and start with .2mg then .4 and if you want .6 but just my opinion.

You really need to get some facts straight man go check out erowid.com or something!

Also, there is absolutely nothing wrong with basing your knowledge about any drug on scientific studies. to say someone's an idiot for doing so is like calling your mom an idiot because she read a recipe before making you a cake. that's what science is about: proliferating knowledge gained by one experimentor/scientist to the next. Basing my assumptions on what Dr. Shulgin and his students found by administering the drug in several routes, in a controlled setting, accompanied by constant observation and note-taking...well I think that's better than trusting some dumbass who has, at best, an elementary knowledge of chemistry and/or the human brain.

porchmonkey4life said:

Dude. I'm going from what I read from PiHKAL. I'm just drawing my opinion from what I read. Sorry you think my opinion makes me an idiot. I will, however, be trying one of them very soon, so I'll keep you posted.

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Im not sure about that I havent read any of the great doctors books but DMT and 5-MEO-DMT are tryptamines not phenethylamines so you prob. read them in TiHKAL! 5-MEO-DMT I find a little less visual then DMT and a little less intense but thats just me they are both fine chemicals with alot of VERY weird things to show so enjoy when you do dose.

yep, thanks. tihkal-probably. i don't actually own the books; I just look it up online.

Another thing man arguing with aattocchi, the dude seems to know his shit so I would just back off the guy and I dont mean to offend you with this post just lettin you know people with personal experience usually know more then people who read it in a book.

DMTER said:

Another thing man arguing with aattocchi, the dude seems to know his shit so I would just back off the guy and I dont mean to offend you with this post just lettin you know people with personal experience usually know more then people who read it in a book.

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i feel your pain

DMTER said:

Im not sure about that I havent read any of the great doctors books but DMT and 5-MEO-DMT are tryptamines not phenethylamines so you prob. read them in TiHKAL! 5-MEO-DMT I find a little less visual then DMT and a little less intense but thats just me they are both fine chemicals with alot of VERY weird things to show so enjoy when you do dose.

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im not if they are in the book but i do have a good bit of experience with them i havent read his books in awhile i let someone borrow pihkal for 2 years and when i got it back it had no coverr but yeah ive done lots and lots and lots of phenethlymenes (spelling) and triptamines (spelling) smoked snorted and many iv also disasociatives are my favorite especxially iv k its the most intense experience ive ever had but my homie used to know a chemist i wish he woulda introduced me before he got sent up for manslaughter after some chick he was bangin smack with oded ;( i miss my homie ;(

ill go find tihkal and let you know tihkal is tryptamines ive known and loved so it shouldbe in there i know i have it around here somewhere

GGGR god damn it who has my tihkal i know its in there