Does this seedling look like it wants some food now?

lio lacidem · Apr 17, 2017

Larry Bovvah said:
Actually I could be wrong about having learned from my errors.... Do these two little ones look like they are going down too? the new leaves hasn't nice and dark green like the older leaves, they look healthy but look like they are a bit patchy with lighter green and dark green on the new leaves. Hopefully you can see them ok..
these have been in the coco for about a week now and have been fed once with half strength House and Garden Coco A&B with roots excelerator as directed.

What do ya'll think?

Couple of things to consider. Are you mixing the a+b exactly as directed on bottle? If not they will not mix right and plant wont get proper nutrition. Also your new pics look like the rarely seen sulfur deficiency I suggest adding some Epsom salt to next watering.

Larry Bovvah · Apr 17, 2017

lio lacidem said:
Couple of things to consider. Are you mixing the a+b exactly as directed on bottle? If not they will not mix right and plant wont get proper nutrition. Also your new pics look like the rarely seen sulfur deficiency I suggest adding some Epsom salt to next watering.

Thanks for the reply man,
I am just using half of the recommended dose for a plant of that age on the instructions...

I put the roots excelurator first, mix, A, mix B, mix. Leave settle for 15 mins of so, mix take ph and ec reading. 0.6ec and 5.7 ph (that's where the ph ends up after the above nutrients have been put in).
I am using rain water also, could it be any problem?

How much of Epsom salt should I be using can I ask? And how often should I use it?

I am surprised that I'm seeing this again. I thought it was something to do with sitting in the rooter too long..

lio lacidem · Apr 17, 2017

I use I tbs of epsom to 1 gallon of water.
on the website for those nutes it states to mix part a first then mix in part b then to add any additives and finally to ph up or down as needed. States if directions not followed directly plant will not get all nutes. This may or maynot be why youlook like you arent getting any micro nutes. Id def add some epsom and start mixing as directed. You can lower the amount no problem but still mix it in the order directed

Larry Bovvah · Apr 17, 2017

lio lacidem said:
I use I tbs of epsom to 1 gallon of water.
on the website for those nutes it states to mix part a first then mix in part b then to add any additives and finally to ph up or down as needed. States if directions not followed directly plant will not get all nutes. This may or maynot be why youlook like you arent getting any micro nutes. Id def add some epsom and start mixing as directed. You can lower the amount no problem but still mix it in the order directed

Oh wow! I can't believe I missed that! Thanks alot for pointing that out. I feel like an idiot though. Lol..

It probably is just that, I don't know how I missed that detail. Better look at the website now!

Grandpapy · Apr 17, 2017

I would mix up a new batch of coco w/ some pearl lite so you get better drainage.
I like to water daily and mix 1 part coco to 3 parts pearl lite then add coco as the plant requires more water to make it between feedings. This minimizes ph shifts in the soil, pulls more O2 into the roots as well as washing away newly formed salts proving you feed enough to flush the root zone.
Note: I check my plants every 4 hrs 24/7 to make sure they don't go dry.

Larry Bovvah · Apr 18, 2017

So I think it is actually a sulfur deficiency my plants have, so I got some Epsom salts to give them today with their feed.

Question on when to or how to mix this with the nutrients though..

When do I add the salts to the water? Before any nutrients? After the a and b has gone in? Right at the end? Or by itself?

Just want to avoid any more muck ups by my self....

Thanks guys, I wait your advise patiently before I feed them!

Larry Bovvah · Apr 18, 2017

Grandpapy said:
I would mix up a new batch of coco w/ some pearl lite so you get better drainage.
I like to water daily and mix 1 part coco to 3 parts pearl lite then add coco as the plant requires more water to make it between feedings. This minimizes ph shifts in the soil, pulls more O2 into the roots as well as washing away newly formed salts proving you feed enough to flush the root zone.
Note: I check my plants every 4 hrs 24/7 to make sure they don't go dry.

This is good to know, thank you for your comment. I think for this run I might just leave these autos where they are, but next time I think what your saying to do sounds better. I will iron out all my rookie mistakes on these poor autos, (hopefully i can get at least 1 to the end) and then try and get a full grow of a photo plant without dramas.. I hope. lol

BuD_DizZLe · Apr 18, 2017

lol wtf? without seeing the bottom how u know its root bound? and surely this dude would of seen an explosion of white roots and more than likely wouldn't need to make this post lol.

If its an auto, then alot of people recommend starting them in their final pots. They dont recover well from transplanting and a bigger starting pot makes for a bigger root system from the get go.
Dont have much exp with autos but have popped about 10 in the last year. 4 looked like yours after 3week+ and I put it down to not getting enough light (was in corner of tent), ended up trashing them. The other 6 autos I made space for under a 600hps from day 1. Used smart pots and coco and after a week or so looked like it had hit that stage again and stopped doing shit, anyways left them another week+ and they just exploded out the ground and began doing there thing.
I made the mistake of cooking them with the first feed which fucked it all but I guess I learnt that unlike hydro and seeing massive growth on a daily basis, autos done in soil/coco require a week or 2 of nothing above ground,while root system is made, and then boom, they come out to play.

Larry Bovvah · Apr 23, 2017

BuD_DizZLe said:
lol wtf? without seeing the bottom how u know its root bound? and surely this dude would of seen an explosion of white roots and more than likely wouldn't need to make this post lol.

If its an auto, then alot of people recommend starting them in their final pots. They dont recover well from transplanting and a bigger starting pot makes for a bigger root system from the get go.
Dont have much exp with autos but have popped about 10 in the last year. 4 looked like yours after 3week+ and I put it down to not getting enough light (was in corner of tent), ended up trashing them. The other 6 autos I made space for under a 600hps from day 1. Used smart pots and coco and after a week or so looked like it had hit that stage again and stopped doing shit, anyways left them another week+ and they just exploded out the ground and began doing there thing.
I made the mistake of cooking them with the first feed which fucked it all but I guess I learnt that unlike hydro and seeing massive growth on a daily basis, autos done in soil/coco require a week or 2 of nothing above ground,while root system is made, and then boom, they come out to play.

Yeah, I think i must have done something wrong somewhere. lol.
I ended up giving them a good feed of nutrients as I felt these needed something from the symptoms of a sulfur deficiency...

I was using rain water with a EC of (0), and couldn't make sense of why this was happening, after mixing up the nutrients and seeing I needed to PH up the solution I felt something was up. EC was still lower than it should have been too..
Tried it again with tap water, it was only an EC of about 0.1 and it was almost bang on what the ph needed to be as well as the PPM for that amount of nutrients. Fed them a big drink of this solution, as I went on vacation for a few days. Will be interesting what happened when i get back home. Gone for 5 days, big ass pots full of coco and this time should be the correct amount of nutrients for the size of these..

Will either be a pleasant surprise or a shit one when I get back to see them. lol..

Hopefully they are at least looking better, then I won't feel so bad about starting again and hopefully getting them up and running without these shitty problems.

I already regret buying auto seeds, originally I planned to just plant these outdoors and let them go, but now using a grow light I think these aren't the best choice to fill the space with. Have 1 x Special Kush seed left I want to get started if i have figured out what i was doing wrong, ill get it started and ditch the sick plants.
I just want to grow a healthy plant good damn it! lol, Some quality smoke is all i am after, I'm sick of paying top dollar for bud, growing for me and the wifey would be nice if I can show her i can do it. lol

BuD_DizZLe · Apr 23, 2017

Larry Bovvah said:
Yeah, I think i must have done something wrong somewhere. lol.
I ended up giving them a good feed of nutrients as I felt these needed something from the symptoms of a sulfur deficiency...

I was using rain water with a EC of (0), and couldn't make sense of why this was happening, after mixing up the nutrients and seeing I needed to PH up the solution I felt something was up. EC was still lower than it should have been too..
Tried it again with tap water, it was only an EC of about 0.1 and it was almost bang on what the ph needed to be as well as the PPM for that amount of nutrients. Fed them a big drink of this solution, as I went on vacation for a few days. Will be interesting what happened when i get back home. Gone for 5 days, big ass pots full of coco and this time should be the correct amount of nutrients for the size of these..

Will either be a pleasant surprise or a shit one when I get back to see them. lol..

Hopefully they are at least looking better, then I won't feel so bad about starting again and hopefully getting them up and running without these shitty problems.

I already regret buying auto seeds, originally I planned to just plant these outdoors and let them go, but now using a grow light I think these aren't the best choice to fill the space with. Have 1 x Special Kush seed left I want to get started if i have figured out what i was doing wrong, ill get it started and ditch the sick plants.
I just want to grow a healthy plant good damn it! lol, Some quality smoke is all i am after, I'm sick of paying top dollar for bud, growing for me and the wifey would be nice if I can show her i can do it. lol

12/12 from seed > Auto.

Just stick to fems or regs - Quality needs time, just be patient

Roger A. Shrubber · Apr 23, 2017

i think your lights are too strong, get a t5 in 5000K and put it about 6 inches over those plants till they get about 6 inches tall, then put them under your MH. i've found that if i put seedlings under a hid light, they either stretch trying to get to it, or burn when you move them close enough to stop the stretch.
don't listen to all these doom sayers. those plants will grow fine if you give them the right conditions, at the age they are they can shake off a lot, if you fix whats wrong

MickFoster · Apr 23, 2017

On your next grow, start the seeds in rapid rooters again, but this time put the rapid rooter in the coco in a solo cup. That way the roots grow directly into the coco. Charge your coco with 1/4 strength nutes and feed from the very beginning. Your plants are starving. I feed daily starting around the 3rd day from sprout. Coco is not soil. I found that keeping the pH at 6.0 works the best - calcium and magnesium are best absorbed at 6 or higher. Attached is a pic of plants that are 2 weeks old in 70/30 coco/perlite mix - fed daily.

Larry Bovvah · Apr 23, 2017

MickFoster said:
On your next grow, start the seeds in rapid rooters again, but this time put the rapid rooter in the coco in a solo cup. That way the roots grow directly into the coco. Charge your coco with 1/4 strength nutes and feed from the very beginning. Your plants are starving. I feed daily starting around the 3rd day from sprout. Coco is not soil. I found that keeping the pH at 6.0 works the best - calcium and magnesium are best absorbed at 6 or higher. Attached is a pic of plants that are 2 weeks old in 70/30 coco/perlite mix - fed daily.

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This is excellent feedback man, thank you! I will start the new ones this way and see how it goes. Thanks!
What a difference in size for 2 weeks old! I want to just start again now once I've made sure I know whats been going wrong. my little seedlings look way smaller than these.

cookie master · Apr 25, 2017

Youre gonna get all kinds of advice. Id say they are overfed and locked up. You should never feed a seedling. Id start new ones, its hard to flush when this young or its too wet. Id start in promix next time and just use ph checked water, you probably dont need to adjust but that could be the issue.
I also have issues with seeds in coco, but usually 1 out of 10 will damp off, which is still too high because its never happened in promix. A seedling can get alot bigger than this in inert soil without turning light green. the 1st part of needing nutes is the little round leaves falling off.

Alot of times my coco is salty and when I added nutes it never helped because things were locked up. I used to use the 3x rule flushing and sometimes its more like 50x to get it clean when using a tds meter.

cookie master · Apr 25, 2017

One thing I would use as a rule of thumb- never feed until the main stem "breaks through" a snakeskin like outer layer. Youll know what I mean when you see it, its the only time in the plants life cycle it happens. The stem will fatten and break through its initial skin, now its a toddler. Before that it was a baby and feeding off moms tit/the cotyledon.
Micks plants look great for 2 weeks, you must be using good clean coco and the perlite and airpots help.

danbridge · Apr 25, 2017

dont over nute! Its a seedling! Do people give infants an multivitamin daily? No. Too strong. Babies eat baby food. Do not feed your plant for the first 8 weeks. Or be careful doing so.

MickFoster · Apr 25, 2017

danbridge said:
dont over nute! Its a seedling! Do people give infants an multivitamin daily? No. Too strong. Babies eat baby food. Do not feed your plant for the first 8 weeks. Or be careful doing so.

He's growing in coco. That's the worst advice I have ever heard. "Don't feed you plants for 8 weeks" - WTF.

Larry Bovvah · Apr 25, 2017

cookie master said:
Youre gonna get all kinds of advice. Id say they are overfed and locked up. You should never feed a seedling. Id start new ones, its hard to flush when this young or its too wet. Id start in promix next time and just use ph checked water, you probably dont need to adjust but that could be the issue.
I also have issues with seeds in coco, but usually 1 out of 10 will damp off, which is still too high because its never happened in promix. A seedling can get alot bigger than this in inert soil without turning light green. the 1st part of needing nutes is the little round leaves falling off.

Alot of times my coco is salty and when I added nutes it never helped because things were locked up. I used to use the 3x rule flushing and sometimes its more like 50x to get it clean when using a tds meter.

Thanks cookie master, your advise is also really helpful. I think its all coming together now, after the big feed the youngest one came out almost twice its size in 5 days..

The other 2 looked like crap before i left but now they look like they've expired.. will see in another couple of days though.

At least there is still one healthy plant. i will just run that one now. concentrate on that for a bit to learn.

I will look out for the snakeskin when i look at them later, I think it may have happened while i was away.

Larry Bovvah · Apr 25, 2017

on a side note, are air pots something worth me looking into? as a main pot as well as a smaller one? Just had a bit of a look at them, they look like a good idea.

Roger A. Shrubber · Apr 25, 2017

air pots are alright, but kind of spendy. i like smartpots myself, the aim of both is to keep your roots from curling up, and i think smartpots achieve that a lot more economically

Does this seedling look like it wants some food now?

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