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OddBall1st

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pnwmystery said:
Once again, when he says Mexicans without any modifier, the implication is that he's saying [All] Mexicans. Until he says otherwise, that's what he said. He did not say "Some" or "Most" or "A few" or "A portion" or a "A minority" or "Mexicans are fleeing because of the violence," he said "Mexicans are..." which implies "[All] Mexicans are..."

I am teaching you how the English language works, anyone else who's reading this can see it. This is how the English language works, whether or not you like it.
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Implication has nothing to do with it. That is as variable between individuals as is fingerprints.
 
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OddBall1st said:
OK, If context is important,...Black is unique, teeth and eyes are unique to Races,.. so,...I should never point out a black man is black or and Asian has serrated teeth and slanted eyes?

STFU, you are what`s know as a race baiter.....................
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I'm really enjoying you trying to wiggle out of this and use semantics. Serrated teeth are not unique to Asians either, those are called mamellons and everyone has them. Nor is the Epicanthic fold that Asians have. We actually see Epicanthic folds in Berber people (North Africa), Scandinavians (Sami people), Indigenous Americans, and the San people. Moreover the Epicanthic fold is sometimes found as a congenital abnormality (like in people who have Down syndrome).

If you called Asians slants because of their slanted eyes, then yes that would be racist. If you were to say "All Asian people have slanted eyes," not many people would view it as racist, someone might take offense to it, and it's not necessarily true. Like I said, context is important. If you were to say "Asian people are the best at math," That could be viewed as racist, but more likely as stereotyping, but if you were to say "All Asians have buckteeth, squinty eyes, and say herro," yes, racist. Context is important.

Implication has everything to do with it. He hasn't reversed his statement, he hasn't gone back and clarified it. The way that the English language works is when he said that, he was making a blanket statement generalizing Mexicans which is racist.
 
OddBall1st

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pnwmystery said:
I'm really enjoying you trying to wiggle out of this and use semantics. Serrated teeth are not unique to Asians either, those are called mamellons and everyone has them. Nor is the Epicanthic fold that Asians have. We actually see Epicanthic folds in Berber people (North Africa), Scandinavians (Sami people), Indigenous Americans, and the San people. Moreover the Epicanthic fold is sometimes found as a congenital abnormality (like in people who have Down syndrome).

If you called Asians slants because of their slanted eyes, then yes that would be racist. If you were to say "All Asian people have slanted eyes," not many people would view it as racist, someone might take offense to it, and it's not necessarily true. Like I said, context is important. If you were to say "Asian people are the best at math," That could be viewed as racist, but more likely as stereotyping, but if you were to say "All Asians have buckteeth, squinty eyes, and say herro," yes, racist. Context is important.

Implication has everything to do with it. He hasn't reversed his statement, he hasn't gone back and clarified it. The way that the English language works is when he said that, he was making a blanket statement generalizing Mexicans which is racist.
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You clearly have the wrong definition of a racist. You are selectively choosing what I meant, when you can`t.
 
OddBall1st

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pnwmystery said:
And I clearly don't, I actually have a better understanding of what racism is than you because I've been the victim of it.
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Dude according to you, calling a Black man Black is racist,....that`s just.....so foreign.

In American we have become accustom to slang,...you missed that street smart.
 
OddBall1st

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To me, a Racist continues the insults and believes they are superior or better than those they speak about. Continues, and believes and teaches, those are things that define a Racist, not a single comment or gesture.
 
MrStickyScissors

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pnwmystery said:
Remember when I typed that too in response to what you said?

But when Trump says "Mexicans are a bunch of rapists and murders," he's implying that a good majority of them are. He did not say "Some Mexicans are" he did not say "10% of Mexicans are," nor did he say, "A small amount of Mexicans are," he said "Mexicans are," which implies a good majority of them. It's like when you say: Mexicans are lazy. The way this is read is [All] Mexicans are lazy. Get where I, and many other people who speak the English language correctly, are coming from?

And dude, learn how to read. Read that definition a few times, a comparison isn't the sole definition of what makes a statement/person racist.
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didn't he say illegal immigrants are murders and rapi
pnwmystery said:
You just said "the Mexicans and other Latin Americans all claim to be running away from thieves, murders, drug cartels and kidnappers,...and all Donald said was they were thieves, murderers, drug cartels and kidnappers.

So who is right ? Them or Donald ?"

Implying that either Donald Trump is right that they are all thieves, murders, kidnappers, rapists and cartel members.

I've done a lot of work with the hispanic immigrant community, Trump is really wrong. They're fleeing violence, and they have fled violence in the past and sometimes that violence has had American dollars directly financing it in the name of "stopping Communism from growing in our own back yard."

So to say all Mexicans/Latinos are violent criminals is cruel and racist.

If that's not what you were implying and accidentally did, then clearly you're not racist. If you did indeed mean that, maybe you're just a closet racist and hopefully you'll change your views.[/wasnt wasn't Donald refering to illegal immigrants?
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MrStickyScissors

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pnwmystery said:
You need to learn what racism is.

rac·ism (ˈrāˌsizəm)
noun
  1. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
    • prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
      "a program to combat racism"
      synonyms:racial discrimination, racialism, racial prejudice, xenophobia,chauvinism, bigotry, casteism
So yes, saying that Mexicans are just a bunch of rapists and murders is, by definition, racist.
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Well like it or not there are races that are better at certain things than others. I don't feel that being racist is a bad thing, I feel that being hateful is.
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

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nitro harley said:
Mexicans love Trump. I didn't see that coming, but , right on.
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Are you kidding me? Mexicans hate Trump, guess you don't have spanish news in your neck of the woods. Once again you must only listen to that echo chamber called FOX, you know the pretend news organization, the same one that predicted victory for Romney back in 2012 and gave Karl Rove a stroke☺ On national tv on election night!

When Trump kicked Jorge Ramos out of his "news conference", who BTW is the walter Cronkite of the Hispanic news world, that scene was playing on a loop for weeks on end on every Hispanic news outlet.

Just because he showcased 1 Hispanic woman who supports him does not translate to universal love for the man amongst Hispanics, don't get it twisted. His numbers are upside down when it comes to support from ALL Hispanics, WE hate the man.

B4L
 
rnint

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OddBall1st said:
So when I call Nazis murderers, and Russians commi Am I racist in your mind ? How about Japanese,.. Japs,.. or Jewish Jews ??

Like your definition said, I must compare them to another race or claim mine is superior before Racism even comes into play,...otherwise I am describing.
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Ok for the Nazi's thats not a race thats a political party so no that has nothing to do with racism (although nazi's are racist as fuck) calling russians commi is definitely racist though, calling japanese people japs and jewish people jews is not racist though thats just kinda a nickname. Do you really not get this? Racism is just judging people by the race they are a part of and making an assumption on something based on their race, which is why calling a jewish guy a jew isnt really racist your just calling him a jew thats like me going up to you and calling you a yank cos you're from the states, more like a nick name than anything else really. Some names are racially offensive though if they carry racist connotations like the n word and stuff is generally seen to be used only to denigrate a specific race so that is often called racist even when what people mean is racially offensive. Also asians have serrated teeth? Since when man I grew up in asia and I haven't ever seen anyone with serrated teeth before man. And btw you can mention any physical differences as much as you like without normal people getting annoyed, what you cant do is say they all think/act like something. For example saying asians have small eyes and stuff is fine (but its a weird point to be making thatd be like if i saw you and was all like wow look how big your eyes are, its not offensive just weird). Saying asians are all good at math and smart however is racist, because they are all different people and just because there are a lot of smart asians it doesn't mean they all are. Comprende?
 
Blunted 4 lyfe

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OddBall1st said:
Freebee bush,... positives

Work for it Trump...negatives

I think it says more about them than Trump...........
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I'm surprised that Santorum is upside down with Hispanics after all he's Christian and Hispanics are too, but that being said there are not many positives that can be attributed to him.

Hispanics provide cheap labor they are by far 1 of the 2 hardest working ethnic groups right now, Asians being the other. They are workaholics.

Everyone likes to bitch about "free" shit they get, it ain't free, they pay taxes too you know maybe not to the IRS, but they do pay taxes on purchases, gasoline...etc.

This Country was made great due to immigrants, and the same backlash to migrants was made at the turn of the last century, I won't throw out the race card but it makes you wonder if race is not the issue.

B4L
 
OddBall1st

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
I'm surprised that Santorum is upside down with Hispanics after all he's Christian and Hispanics are too, but that being said there are not many positives that can be attributed to him.

Hispanics provide cheap labor they are by far 1 of the 2 hardest working ethnic groups right now, Asians being the other. They are workaholics.

Everyone likes to bitch about "free" shit they get, it ain't free, they pay taxes too you know maybe not to the IRS, but they do pay taxes on purchases, gasoline...etc.

This Country was made great due to immigrants, and the same backlash to migrants was made at the turn of the last century, I won't throw out the race card but it makes you wonder if race is not the issue.

B4L
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Yes I agree, and in New England the Brazilians are the immigrant hard workers, and quite loyal to bosses. Asians would be 2nd. Blacks are just normal people that fit in and even though many are illegal, not so suspected.

This Country was founded by immigrants like everyone says, but you can only say that for a generation or two. After hundreds of years and the worlds largest wars, Civil and global,...it`s time to let go of America as an immigrant Country. The blame the past game is over, and the door for migration needs to have a bouncer. That door will always be there, that`s who we are. The biggest problem I see with illegal immigrants is that 90% can change their identity at will day to day and nobody can tell the differences.


That`s not good, any way you look at it.
 
nitro harley

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
Are you kidding me? Mexicans hate Trump, guess you don't have spanish news in your neck of the woods. Once again you must only listen to that echo chamber called FOX, you know the pretend news organization, the same one that predicted victory for Romney back in 2012 and gave Karl Rove a stroke☺ On national tv on election night!

When Trump kicked Jorge Ramos out of his "news conference", who BTW is the walter Cronkite of the Hispanic news world, that scene was playing on a loop for weeks on end on every Hispanic news outlet.

Just because he showcased 1 Hispanic woman who supports him does not translate to universal love for the man amongst Hispanics, don't get it twisted. His numbers are upside down when it comes to support from ALL Hispanics, WE hate the man.

B4L
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It looked like the mexican woman loved him to me.
 
OddBall1st

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rnint said:
Ok for the Nazi's thats not a race thats a political party so no that has nothing to do with racism (although nazi's are racist as fuck) calling russians commi is definitely racist though, calling japanese people japs and jewish people jews is not racist though thats just kinda a nickname. Do you really not get this? Racism is just judging people by the race they are a part of and making an assumption on something based on their race, which is why calling a jewish guy a jew isnt really racist your just calling him a jew thats like me going up to you and calling you a yank cos you're from the states, more like a nick name than anything else really. Some names are racially offensive though if they carry racist connotations like the n word and stuff is generally seen to be used only to denigrate a specific race so that is often called racist even when what people mean is racially offensive. Also asians have serrated teeth? Since when man I grew up in asia and I haven't ever seen anyone with serrated teeth before man. And btw you can mention any physical differences as much as you like without normal people getting annoyed, what you cant do is say they all think/act like something. For example saying asians have small eyes and stuff is fine (but its a weird point to be making thatd be like if i saw you and was all like wow look how big your eyes are, its not offensive just weird). Saying asians are all good at math and smart however is racist, because they are all different people and just because there are a lot of smart asians it doesn't mean they all are. Comprende?
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That all makes sense and I understand it, but there is much more to a racist than what they say, Children are always saying things they hear and yet have no idea what a racist is. A racist acts out the role, plays the part, sometimes teaches it, and for sure repeats and repeats those actions.

There`s a few blocks across town that white people better not go, the Blacks there, they claim it and if white man goes there, get`s beat up, robbed, raped, or killed, now businesses and people that stay away from that area because it`s a Black hood, are not being racists, you wont convince me that they are racists, cautious, smart, and safe, but racists,...no I would not call it that.
 
MrStickyScissors

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Blunted 4 lyfe said:
I'm surprised that Santorum is upside down with Hispanics after all he's Christian and Hispanics are too, but that being said there are not many positives that can be attributed to him.

Hispanics provide cheap labor they are by far 1 of the 2 hardest working ethnic groups right now, Asians being the other. They are workaholics.

Everyone likes to bitch about "free" shit they get, it ain't free, they pay taxes too you know maybe not to the IRS, but they do pay taxes on purchases, gasoline...etc.

This Country was made great due to immigrants, and the same backlash to migrants was made at the turn of the last century, I won't throw out the race card but it makes you wonder if race is not the issue.

B4L
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saying that mexicans and asians are one of the hardest working ethic groups is racist. Although I do agree. What gets me is a comment is only racist when it is talking about the negative aspects of a race.
 
OddBall1st

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nitro harley said:
It looked like the mexican woman loved him to me.
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The chick doing the interview was not getting what she wanted to hear and was pissed,...I wonder why ? To go on National TV and act like that without caring that people will see through her is troubling. It says what the media thinks of it`s viewers.
I think it`s time for a press war,.. the blatant abuse of a Constitutional Right is grounds enough for me.
 
MrStickyScissors

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Typically when you commit a crime, even a small one the next crime is easier to commit. When someone migrates to the U.S illegally that is committing a crime. The funny thing about crimes is that they are still wrong no matter what the reason is for you committing them. Now we have someone that is proposing to build a wall, it's a start.
 
OddBall1st

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MrStickyScissors said:
saying that mexicans and asians are one of the hardest working ethic groups is racist. Although I do agree. What gets me is a comment is only racist when it is talking about the negative aspects of a race.
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That`s the point I`m trying to make,....there is much more to a racist. Saying Asians and Mexicans are the hardest working is not a racist comment to me, it`s a description of a result that is subject to change and nothing to do with their race.
 
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