UncleBuck
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the culmination of 30 years of supply side, trickle down reaganomics.
Double Dip Recession Coming?
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kelly4
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What do I think? I think that you have the dumbest opinion I have read today.
Dr Kynes
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The federal government hasnt had a real balanced budget since Andrew Jackson was president. Blaming reagan and the bushes doesnt explain why the debt went up EVERY YEAR under Carter Clinton and Obama.
some graphs. particularly interesting is the "surplus" of the Clinton years which was not reflected in a reduction in debt, it simply resulted in new spending the following year.
these graphs show the real reason for our country's indebtedness, financial instability and heavy tax burden.
when revenues exceed expenditures, the money is immediately spend on some new daft program, or retarded initiative which puts additional burdens on future budgets to continue the new programs. having Clinton's "surplus" simply made the trough longer, so more piggies could get their snouts in.
we cant stabilize the economy until the piggies get sent to market. its time to cash in our Pork Stocks, and start sellin bacon!
and i mean all the piggies. not just the ones with D's by their names.
NLXSK1
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As opposed to confiscate and sprinkle around.... Yeah, that has worked wonders in the last 3 years... Oh wait...
= deficit spending, which you already said was the only way to bring us around. To which I say, if deficit spending keeps nations going strong, then why don't we spend $100,000 Trillion. for sure that would solve all problems, it is after all about 1,428 years of World GDP.
Illegal Smile
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Better yet, if deficit spending was the way to go, why isn't Europe thriving? We are following Greece and Spain over a cliff, and democrats are saying "follow us! we know the way!"
By the way, if bigger and bigger government, and more social programs and more entitlements works, Why is the poverty rate no better today than it was 30 or 40 years ago? Compared to 30 years ago - health outcomes are no better, education outcomes are no better, the poverty rate is no better BUT WE DO HAVE bigger government, millions more in public jobs, more on government programs, higher unemployment and massive deficits. And yet, some of you have a hard time seeing that liberalism doesn't work??
missnu
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You really just have to hope that you get sucked in by the lies of the lesser of the evils...sometimes it works out, and sometimes it doesn't...but politics is not made to make the people happy, or give them a say...democracy is now the same thing it was in Roman Times...A way for rich men to get richer by meddling in other poorer people's affairs to see where they can make another quick buck fr themselves...
Illegal Smile
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Poor people, however, are a lot better off today than they were, say, 200 years ago. So where did aid come from?
ps how does one make money on people who have no money?
billybob420
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Ever heard of the "army of the unemployed"? Some believe the current set up intentionally keeps a segment of the population unemployed/underemployed so that people will be willing to work for low wages and increasingly low (if any) benefits. I tend to agree, but I'm not real sure.
missnu
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Well by imprisoning them and having them work for free...selling the items that poor people have worked so hard to make, for way more than you pay the people to make them...and by generally duping them into dumb things that can in some way make you more money...Pretty much making the little guy work hard to scrape by, while the man on top is living easy off the hard work of the little guy..
billybob420
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That's what I think, too. Lets not forget that the economy may seem bad to us, but there is a segment of the population that is doing very well, better than in the entire history of human existence. But for most of us, shit seems pretty dire.
RyanTheRhino
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Well its broke and not broke at the same time if you know what I mean.
missnu
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Well just like keeping people poor, and without healthcare, and now all our kids will be dumb, because we spend more on catching teens with pot then we spend on teaching them algebra...so the government is turning us into a society with nowhere else to turn but back to them for help...poor, sick, dumb people are notoriously easy to control...they need whatever they are getting so they don't make a fuss....
If you aren't hungry and someone offers you something out of the garbage you will turn them down...but if you haven't eaten in a week you will take what is given pretty much...
And it is "We the people" that keep this cycle going...but it can only go so far and then it collapses in on itself...we have seen it over and over and over..because people don't really change...I mean look at all the similarities between the rise and fall of any empire...it all happens that same way everytime...Starts out as some people that decide they need a person to govern them, and they choose one, and everything seems alright for awhile...but then the power of being the ruler starts getting into this guy's brain and he becomes more focused on what he can do to help himself, more than what he needs to do to help everyone else...then other people see the power this first person has and they want it too...so the rulership keeps changing out with people that are growing ever more power hungry and ego-centric are getting in charge of things, until all the people are starving to death, and then the people look up and see their ruler living fat off their hard work while they are starving...the people say we will give you this much of everything we get so you can better run our world, and at first it works, but as I said it gets out of control...less of the profits of toil start going back to the ones doing the toiling...and it all falls apart..people get desperate and they remember that they can take care of themselves, and they never needed that all power person to begin with...down with the king...we want to make our own decisions...so all the people grab their "pitchforks" and take down the king...Now there are a lot of desperate people with no system of control in place...til someone says...---I know what we do...we need a whole group of people to make decisions for everyone...and we need to get a few from each "village" to make sure we get everyone's opinion...and at first it works...but then as time goes on all of these elected officials start adopting the same attitude of the king before...and it all falls apart again...no system of government can last too long, simply because the human race just doesn't seem to be geared that way...and I don't understand it...We can't govern ourselves, and yet none of us that would want to govern humans as a whole, have the capacity to do so without becoming too ego centered...so....I don't know how you fix it...but world history shows us an obvious pattern...
missnu
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I think we need to stop sucking money out of education to line pockets..please don't skimp on education...but well educated populations will take less shit from their governing body before the change starts to occur...so the best way to live like a king...is to be king to a bunch of starved idiots that think it's the way things are...
Illegal Smile
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If anyone has a motive for keeping people poor it's the liberal government. The more people are dependent on government handouts, the more enslaved they are.
As for education, for over 30 years all we have been doing is paying teachers more and more. But yet educational outcomes haven't risen a bit. We are throwing money down a rat hole. Teachers, and the entire education sector, are nothing but another bloated government bureaucracy.
As for education, for over 30 years all we have been doing is paying teachers more and more. But yet educational outcomes haven't risen a bit. We are throwing money down a rat hole. Teachers, and the entire education sector, are nothing but another bloated government bureaucracy.
RainbowBrite86
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Education has suffered significant budget cuts over the last few years. Teachers are being laid off everywhere. Classrooms have too many students because we can't afford more teachers. In my area, almost half our teachers were given pink slips. Then, they were given the "odd jobs" around the schools that wee already filled (front office jobs, teacher aides, etc.) so the people who had those jobs were all booted out and now unemployed. I have several friends who graduated from elementary education classes, being told the entire way through that teachers were in "high demand", and then they go to look for jobs and they get told there's no way they're getting a job as a teacher anytime soon unless they'd like to teach at a school where they'd have a high potential of being shot at. That's what happens though when someone mentions a work "shortage" I guess. Someone said there was a teacher shortage, and everybody ran to school to become a teacher, and now we have too many. Same thing happened with nursing. Someone mentioned a nursing shortage and everybody ran to school to become a nurse. Now we have too many of those too.
missnu
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In my area they keep closing schools and consolidating classrooms...they keep threatening to take away our school buses...and where is all this extra money going...? Who knows...but there can't be anything more important for the economic growth as a nation overall than keeping the youth smart and thinking...that can give us a leg up that a bunch of rich old men, just can't...
The No Child Left Behind Act has ruined schools in America...
Lets say that when talking to a group of children in a specific area you find that they seem to be a good deal behind other cities and states similarly aged children...SO these kids are stupid, and you look further into the situation and find that the schools in the area are far below standard in equipment, staff, and what not...would you not think that these schools might need a little extra help so they have a chance of teaching the children on a level playing field? I would think that is the obvious answer...but the NCLB Act says the exact opposite...if children's test scores can't keep up with other areas they cut funding for that school....and sometimes that means getting rid of teachers and programs...so if your school is inadequate and making your children dumb the act guarantees that the children in this area will become farther and farther behind...
They should have called it The Kick The Legs Out From Under Early American's Act
missnu
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You can tell who has kids in school and who is just making something up...come on it is all over the news about schools having to close and what not..it is happening everywhere..