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Dan Kone

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slaves beg for 'legalization' and 'regulation'...
humans demand their rights...
Everyone who disagrees with you is a slave. Awesome. That should convince a lot of people to agree with your tin foil hat conspiracy theories.

It doesn't matter what you "humans" demand, you'll never get it. Those demanding legalization and regulation are getting it. They are the ones making progress. People like you just get in the way of freedom and progress.

Presenting unrealistic bullshit that the general public would never vote for while at the same time telling people not to support realistic legalization initiatives is giving the DEA everything they want. You're the best thing that's happened for prohibitionists since Richard Nixon.
 

DNAprotection

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Everyone who disagrees with you is a slave. Awesome. That should convince a lot of people to agree with your tin foil hat conspiracy theories.

It doesn't matter what you "humans" demand, you'll never get it. Those demanding legalization and regulation are getting it. They are the ones making progress. People like you just get in the way of freedom and progress.

Presenting unrealistic bullshit that the general public would never vote for while at the same time telling people not to support realistic legalization initiatives is giving the DEA everything they want. You're the best thing that's happened for prohibitionists since Richard Nixon.
if you knew even the first thing about how law works you would slap yourself silly...
but how can you know the law when you dont even know yourself?
if you dont know yourself then you will never know what 'freedom' means and your post above is a text book example of such...
so in conclusion only a slave would state what you have stated'
 

Dan Kone

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if you knew even the first thing about how law works you would slap yourself silly...
but how can you know the law when you dont even know yourself?
if you dont know yourself then you will never know what 'freedom' means and your post above is a text book example of such...
so in conclusion only a slave would state what you have stated'

I've helped author legislation. Real legislation that's actually passed. I'm familiar with how laws work.
 

DNAprotection

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I've helped author legislation. Real legislation that's actually passed. I'm familiar with how laws work.
if your legislation fell short of first base = your basic human right to grow plants for your own use outside of commerce, then yours was just another betrayal to all that stand before you and all that come after you, whether you know it or not...further, writing legislation has little to do with being 'familiar' with how laws work and even being 'familiar' with how laws work doesn't mean you understand the first thing about civil court (for example) and the word 'standing' which is critical to this situation and is another central reason as to why whatever legislation you supposedly helped to pass was just another exercise in ignorance...
you should be working more in this direction if you want to do yourself and those who come after you a favor...
(updated version)
Lake County 'Freedom to Grow Plants' Human Rights Initiative 11564,
Whereas on this day in the State of California the people of the County of Lake do hereby find and declare that:
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for people to reaffirm and reestablish the fundamental human rights that they are naturally endowed, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's origins entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of humankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to come forward in the reestablishment of those rights.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all humans are created equal, that they are naturally endowed with certain Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness,
--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,
--That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to re-declare and reestablish the inherent human rights that would intrinsically correct such governmental negligence, and to reconstitute such in a form as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness, and in accordance with the 9th amendment of the Constitution of the United State of America:
Amendment IX,
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
--Whereas disregard and contempt for certain human rights have resulted in barbarous acts which have outraged the conscience of humankind, and the advent of a world in which human beings shall enjoy freedom of speech and belief and freedom from fear and want has been proclaimed as the highest aspiration of the common people, it has become necessary to reaffirm and specifically constitute that:
(section) 1.
Humans are naturally endowed with the fundamental right to partner with the soil and posses the seeds of, and partner with, and grow the plants of this earth for their own uses as individuals in pursuit of life and in effort to live, and that such basic human rights exist and are held in perpetuity outside of the constitutional responsibility of government to protect an individuals right to engage in commerce.
1.(a)
All County of Lake residents who exercise the rights described in section 1., and are compliant with section 2.(a), and are gardening outside (outdoor) or in green houses, are exempt from any county permitting or other county ordinances that would limit an individuals home gardening efforts in conjunction with section 1.
1.(b)
The County of Lake shall encourage and cooperate with people exercising the rights described in section 1 in every way available, and individuals exercising such rights in effort to grow food for their own consumption shall be exempt from paying for the portion of their water use that goes to water such food gardens, and such exemptions are to be determined based on garden size and the reasonable amount of water it takes to maintain such, and also based on the physical increase in water usage that exceeds the normal average water usage of the particular household without a food garden.
(section) 2.
Should neighbor complaints that are not related to section 2.(a), or are not related to a specific medically verifiable toxic health risk to the public, arise as an official complaint to the county as a result of individuals exercising the rights as described in section 1., (not withstanding any effected party choosing to seek remedy and or reparations by way of litigation through civil proceedings), all the effected parties shall be directed to mediation provided for by the County of Lake, and if resolution between the effected parties cannot be achieved in a reasonable effort to mediate, the effected parties shall then continue mediation at their own expense (to be equally divided between the effected parties) until a resolution between the parties can be agreed upon, or until the effected parties agree to withdraw from mediation.
2.(a)
All who exercise the rights described in section 1., shall take reasonable care to prevent environmental destruction, and are responsible to mitigate any possible foreseen negative impacts on the natural environments, and all persons who neglect such practices shall be subject to the authority of any County of Lake ordinance(s) that would provide reasonable remedy, but such remedies are to be used to help individuals come into compliance with this section and not to unreasonably burden individuals who exercise the rights described in section 1., and the County of Lake Environmental Health department shall administer over individual circumstances that may arise due to non compliance with this section as well as section 2.(b).
2(b)
If an individual's income qualifies for the low income standards of the county, then the county shall assist in an individuals effort to comply with section 2.(a) by mitigating the costs of any such remedies, but shall not do so in cases where the environmental damage is occurring from an individuals use of non organic gardening chemicals including but not limited to pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers, and the county shall retain the authority to limit the use of such chemicals if such a remedy is applicable to the circumstance(s).
(section) 3.
All County, State or Federal criminal laws that exist in conflict with individuals exercising the human rights as described in section 1., (and not withstanding an individual in violation of using illegal chemicals including but not limited to pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and fertilizers), are to be set aside unless it can be determined that the individual circumstance is occurring within the context of 'commerce' related activities as defined herein,
--For the expressed purposes of this document the word "commerce" shall be taken to mean:
The buying and selling of goods in any form, as between individual humans, and in direct reference to the exchange of United States currency (or other such legally recognized tender) for such goods or services.
 

Dan Kone

Well-Known Member
if your legislation fell short of first base = your basic human right to grow plants for your own use outside of commerce, then yours was just another betrayal to all that stand before you and all that come after you, whether you know it or not...
So writing a zoning law which expanded access to medical marijuana = a betrayal? lol. Ok.

Also, growing whatever plant you want because you feel like it isn't a basic human right. Should I be able to grow opium poppies in my front yard across from a Jr High School? If I feel like doing it that must mean it's a basic human right, like breathing air, drinking water, etc.


further, writing legislation has little to do with being 'familiar' with how laws work
Actually that's exactly what that means.
 

DNAprotection

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So writing a zoning law which expanded access to medical marijuana = a betrayal? lol. Ok.

Also, growing whatever plant you want because you feel like it isn't a basic human right. Should I be able to grow opium poppies in my front yard across from a Jr High School? If I feel like doing it that must mean it's a basic human right, like breathing air, drinking water, etc.




Actually that's exactly what that means.

truly idiotic lol...of course you should be able to grow poppies and why not?
clearly you know very little about how laws work in practice or when challenging or being challenged in court, let alone your natural born human rights.
show me what legislation that you helped to write that 'expanded' access to med can?
ps...if you happen to be referring to sb420 in cali then you truly are in need of some perspective as sb420 was not only a breech of the state legislatures obligation to all the fed (dea in particular) annual contracts they sign but also only worked to undermine 215 (passed by the people who are not obligated by signature of said dea etc contracts etc) and has lead to counties all over cali passing ordinances to restrict med can cultivation etc...
 

Dan Kone

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truly idiotic lol...of course you should be able to grow poppies and why not?
Because they are used to make heroin. The fact that you consider this a basic human right just shows how ridiculous you are.

GMO = ZOMG! They are killing us all!
Heroin = no big deal
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
Because they are used to make heroin. The fact that you consider this a basic human right just shows how ridiculous you are.

GMO = ZOMG! They are killing us all!
Heroin = no big deal
thats simply idiotic lol, by that logic you would need to out law practically every plant and much much more...basically anything that can be used for something you dont approve of...
thats like geniuscide logic...
I consider cali's 215 (cua) to be a human rights initiative/law concerning people having the freedom to access and grow the medicine they choose, why not pony up the human rights legislation you say you helped to write?
 

Dan Kone

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thats simply idiotic lol, by that logic you would need to out law practically every plant and much much more...basically anything that can be used for something you dont approve of...
thats like geniuscide logic...
I consider cali's 215 (cua) to be a human rights initiative/law concerning people having the freedom to access and grow the medicine they choose, why not pony up the human rights legislation you say you helped to write?
Heroin isn't just something I disapprove of, it's actually a bad thing. Really, it is.

And I didn't say I helped write that initiative. I had nothing to do with it nor will I.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
I've helped author legislation. Real legislation that's actually passed. I'm familiar with how laws work.
So writing a zoning law which expanded access to medical marijuana = a betrayal? lol. Ok.

Also, growing whatever plant you want because you feel like it isn't a basic human right. Should I be able to grow opium poppies in my front yard across from a Jr High School? If I feel like doing it that must mean it's a basic human right, like breathing air, drinking water, etc.




Actually that's exactly what that means.
Heroin isn't just something I disapprove of, it's actually a bad thing. Really, it is.

And I didn't say I helped write that initiative. I had nothing to do with it nor will I.
dude read all your quotes above, seriously one thing you are writing is gibberish lol...first you say "I've helped author legislation", but then you never say what legislation, and then you say "I didn't say I helped write that initiative", lol what initiative? you neglected to reveal what legislation you "helped author" = gibberish...
and with the way you speak of poppies i'm starting to think your just an average run of the mill prohibitionist...
i'm guessing just about any plant can be processed into something you would consider to be 'bad' as well as something you would consider to be good...
poppies have medicinal uses...am i to not have that personal freedom/choice in your world?
and what about the coca plant?
are you throwing that baby out with the bath water as well?
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Introduction_and_Use_of_Coca_-_Erythroxylum_Coca#Industrial_uses
 

bird mcbride

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Because they are used to make heroin. The fact that you consider this a basic human right just shows how ridiculous you are.

GMO = ZOMG! They are killing us all!
Heroin = no big deal
You can get free heroin and needles etc from any first step clinic. Let's not forget about the safe injection sites where people can go do thier heroin with a MD on hand in the event that someone OD's.
 

bird mcbride

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In the eighties the war on drugs declared that estasy is a safe alternative to mj use. I noticed last week(decades later) that estasy is not a safe alternative to mj and is in fact as dangerous as heroin, cocaine, oxy's etc. These people making these drug policies got sh*t for brains.
 

Dan Kone

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You can get free heroin and needles etc from any first step clinic. Let's not forget about the safe injection sites where people can go do thier heroin with a MD on hand in the event that someone OD's.
He was trying to claim we have a basic right to grow whatever plant we want. Nothing to do with safe injection sites.
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
He was trying to claim we have a basic right to grow whatever plant we want. Nothing to do with safe injection sites.
not exactly Kone head lol...you made need to try, but i was actually born with such rights the same way i was born with legs...its your choice to stick your legs into a wood chipper or keep and use them...you can try to put your shredded legs back together again (your not even doing that much), but i still have mine ;)
 

DNAprotection

Well-Known Member
He was trying to claim we have a basic right to grow whatever plant we want. Nothing to do with safe injection sites.
bro you might as well be saying as you were told, that the world is flat...
all the while though of course i know its round ;)
i think we should run a poll here to see how many pps know the world is round compared to how many believe you when you say its flat...
 
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