For All Cap Ebb and Grow Users

Yeah I just veg them in a tray. I mean any transplant is going to shock. But my plants were looking great a day after they got into their new home. Now they are super stoked.

anyone ever run a modified SOG useing this system ? I was thinking of adding on another 12 buckets making a total of30 anddoing no veg(well maybe a week) then going straight 12/12. my rooms 4.5 x 9 so i figure it would be like having a 4x8 tray. i run a 1000 and a 600 both cooled. what do ya'll think bout that idea.

I veg in one gallon ebb & flow system that feeds em week one nutrients, and then transplant them to the flower room when they are ready for 12/12. All hydroton except for seeds, which are started in rw cubes.

i am finishing my first grown with 6 1000 watt hps and 30 buckets with 15 on each res and controller..I am using hydroton right now and cant stand washing it.. Went to the grow store and bought a big brick of grodan rockwool..One brick fills about 40 2 gal pots. Anyone have any expierence with this??I have never seen or used this, thanks

The rockwool breakaway cubes arent strong enough to support plants of the size you'll need -- not even a third of that plant height. Sure to Grow also has those ebb&flow inserts, but they are too limp to support as well. Hydroton works exceptionally well because of its ability to not retain water and drain every time. Rockwool absorbs and holds too much water for an E&F bucket system.

why dont you just run Zone or hydroton peroxide to break down all the shit and clean your rocks. You dont have to take them out.

that's hydrogen peroxide...not hydroton peroxide. I have seen a guy on youtube run zone through his system and then just replant his pots. From reading all 99 pages i have read that the roots get pretty crazy. I just started my first grow with my ebb and grow. I'm running 8 buckets in a hydrohut mini silver edition...it is 3x3. I have a 600w hps but due to the summer heat i am running a 400w hps. Everything seems to be going well. Thanks to this thread i learned a lot about what to expect and know where to come when i run into a problem.

Actually, i have a question. I use Advanced Nutes and am 3 weeks into veg. My soup mixture includes the GMB, rhino skin, bud candy, and sensizyme...the first 2 weeks i had did the usual low ppm soup and all was good. I bumped the ppms up on my last water change and then 3 days later i had this whitish brown foam in my res. It was pretty thick and really gross. Checked my roots to see how they look and they were all good. Plants aren't showing any signs of stress. Posted a video on youtube and was told that it is the yeast extract in the bud candy. Does anyone know if this is right? Just for safe measure i put some Zone in my res (i know it will kill my sensizyme). What do you guys and gals think? Thanks for all your knowledge!

Lagy: I get the same problem when using Humboldt Roots for all of the veg cycle and first 2 weeks of flowering. Its just brown goop. Anything that floats just scrape off and toss in the garbage. It isnt anything thats going to hurt anything, just annoying sludge.

Thanks for the quick response and assurance kitty. My girls don't seem to mind it...the speed they are growing at is amazing!

aight lets clear some things up

someone has been telling me that we would benefit from a 2 inch pvc spacer inserted between the inner and outer buckets, creating a bigger air gap, saying that the roots will explode with growth and make a big fat healthy rootball in this newly created gap. I say it wouldn't help since the roots are designed to be growing in the medium, not suspended in stagnant air or water.

can we agree if this is beneficial or not? if it is, obviously the idea should be explored, but all ive seen is a video of a guy growing in STG needing to do this

The PVC spacer between the buckets is for poorly designed buckets that are too tapered and sink too low. Ideally, it should be about an inch above the drain spout so the hydroton at the bottom of the buckets doesnt stay soaked in water. Thats the only purpose of them. If the roots grow through the buckets and died, that's OK as the other roots will grow to compensate.

The guy growing in a STG immediately tells us that s/he doesnt know much about E&F systems.

hello, im having a problem over flowing... seems that the biggest plants that have the most roots are over flowing.
we tried lifting them up higher .we have a bubbler under each 1....my son can explain better but any help,...ty im going to call hydro store too...ty

I did this one for my boy.

Pic#1 24" Carbon Coal Filter and twin 600W SunSystems hoods with Hortilux Super HPS bulbs.
Pic#2 6" Vortex Fan with insulated duct work.
Pic#3 12 Pot System.
Pic#4 Tubes and Control Rez.

UwAnTtOScUbA said:

hello, im having a problem over flowing... seems that the biggest plants that have the most roots are over flowing.
we tried lifting them up higher .we have a bubbler under each 1....my son can explain better but any help,...ty im going to call hydro store too...ty

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I dont understand the problem clearly enough. If you have a picture and some information about your grow room and the plants age would really help.

BuddGreen said:

I did this one for my boy.

Pic#1 24" Carbon Coal Filter and twin 600W SunSystems hoods with Hortilux Super HPS bulbs.
Pic#2 6" Vortex Fan with insulated duct work.
Pic#3 12 Pot System.
Pic#4 Tubes and Control Rez.

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Very nice and clean installation! Looks like your'e mostly done in there. Only 6 buckets for 1000w lamps, so are you doing a 4 or 5 week veg? What's the brown rectangle under the pots on the floor (and why?)

The rectangle is the rooms carpet. He said good enough...I said not really!!! But it's what he wants so I left it. Got just under a half roll of panda film out of the deal too LOL!!! I'm helping him with the entire grow up to the first harvest. He wants me to show him how to do it. It's my first E&G but i read then learn it by doing it.

Ha, very funny. I cant imagine buckets on carpet, he'll learn in about the first few waters and swap it out. E&G is easy, I dont think there's too many new questions possible in this monster thread, but there always seems to be new stuff coming up. Anyone who reads every page here is wellllllllllllll on their way to being the Jedi Master of E&F.............

I've never had a single leak in my system. I do however line my floor with a pond liner, just in case!

Its not just leaks in the system that make carpet a bad choice if you never have a leak....... Its what about the time when you want to rearrange the plants so the short one is in the middle and the tall ones are around the outside? The buckets WILL drip a little water on the floor no matter what you do. And sometimes the plastic fittings crack, your controller may overfill if a float fails and spills the entire reservoir worth of nutrient solution all over the floor too. What about when you want to hand water a plant that got some nutrient burn with some fresh clean water and you spill the half gallon on the floor when you trip on a mouse?

If the carpet was at least white to reflect the light that hits the floor from only having 6 plants using 1/2 of the space of the lights for the first 4 weeks of flowering then that'd be cool at least.

But yea, congrats on having NO LEAKS! We ALL still get a water spill -- eventually.

im thinking hard of getting one of thoses systems ,for you guyz who have used it it says it can be extended to 48 sites on one system??? for us mj growers how many pots do you guys think could be added on the 12 pots system whithout downsides during the whole cycles??