@Nullis prove your point 9f you have proof show it if not get over it your arguing pointless shit. Quit crying put your big boy pants on you argue and shoe no proof. I have been following and learning from hyroot and pattahabi and they have not once steered me in the wrong direction. Always helpful if you can prove your point prove it and thats it. I also feel you work for GO. The bottles even say not for organic gardening or something in cali. It says it on the bottle why dig into it and research a bunch of ingrdients when like i said the bottle says not for organic "something " in cali. I can send you a pic of you would like once I get off work.i mean you have alot of valid ppints and make since but why do you defend GO so much and quick to bash FF or etc
The entirety of our lives is "arguing pointless shit". Here's a rhetorical riddle: If I make a lot of valid points, which are pointless, and yet I have a point left to prove: would proving that point be valid or pointless?
General Organics is "not for organic crop or food production in California" (commercial production). I am sure CA has it's own laws where organic production is concerned, and a quick search gives me the California Organic Foods Act. I totally agree that it probably shouldn't be used by commercial growers on food crops. Why should it be? Commercial growers should have oodles more resources than some chump who is growing Cannabis or peppers or tomatoes or roses in their home. Commercial and certainly produce (fruit, veg & nut growers) should be held to a higher standard, and the larger they are the higher that standard should probably be.
I'd like to point out that I'm not really bashing Fox Farm products, and I have the feeling if it were the other way around I'd be accused of working for Fox Farm. I wish someone was paying me.
If somebody is going to ask me, "Whats more true to the organic or soil food web paradigm: General Organics or Fox Farm", I am going to say "General Organics". I can say this having used both of them (I used to use FF liquids years ago), and knowing enough about the ingredients listed on the bottles. The ONLY bottled Fox Farm product, that I know of, with all or predominately natural ingredients is the Big Bloom.
That's the only bottled FF product that has organic matter & microbes in it, and doesn't contain synthetic chelating agents. And IMO Big Bloom is fine to use.
Grow Big, Tiger Bloom, on the other hand, are predominately comprised of water, synthetic salts, synthetically chelated compounds, and a little bit of dye.
Grow Big said:
Derived from: Ammonium sulfate, ammonium phosphate, urea, blood meal, potassium nitrate, potassium sulfate, earthworm castings, Norwegian kelp, iron EDTA, zinc EDTA, manganese EDTA, copper EDTA, chelating agent, disodium ethylenediamine tetra acetate (EDTA), sodium borate and sodium molybdate.
Bio-Thrive Grow said:
Derived from: Alfalfa meal, copper sulfate, ferric sulfate, kieserite, manganese sulfate, molasses, plant extracts, potassium sulfate, rock phosphate, sodium borate, sodium molybdenate, soybean meal and zinc sulfate. Non-Plant Food Ingredients: seaweed, humic acid, cane sugar, glacial rock powder.
Remember, the mineral sulfates like copper sulfate, ferric sulfate, potassium sulfate and zinc sulfate are mined minerals of which deposits naturally occur (along with cocrystals, polymorphs and pseudopolymorphs thereof). Copper sulfate is chalcanthite. Iron or ferric sulphate is melanterite and is common. Rozenite is another. Goslarite is a form of zinc sulfate. These three minerals can even occur together in the same ore, as zinc-melanterite. These are put there to provide micro/trace nutrients (in the 0.00%s), which microbes also require. Keep in mind that this is a one-part product (supposed to be relatively complete), and is also made to be used in soil-less media like coco coir or even rock wool, not just for soil.
As for the FF Grow Big... Ammonium sulfate is very rarely a natural mineral (mascagnite), though deposits are sometimes found near volcanoes. The turn off here whether sourced naturally or lab made is the ammonium, and not so much that it is a sulfate salt. Ammonium is attempting to provide Nitrogen (a macronutrient as opposed to a trace element), and of course there is also ammonium phosphate, urea, and potassium nitrate. Why does it even need ammonium salts along with blood meal? The product has the viscosity of water, whereas the Big Bloom, General Organics products are thicker due to having an organic matter content.
None of the ingredients in bold are found in the General Organics products, nor are the minerals in those products synthetically chelated (no EDTA). Those are the kinds of ingredients that are going to drive off or discourage microbes by attempting to replace them. Otherwise those ingredients are going to leach away, gas off, or in the case of ammonium phosphate- the phosphate is mostly going to precipitate and become unavailable (note that rock phosphate is actually a rock product which contains phosphorous, not itself a phosphate salt in chemical terms).
Sodium borate and sodium molybdate are the least of the concerns there.