FrozenChozen
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3 weeks into flower?! You trying to grow a twenty sack?!
giving defoliation during flower a try
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tekdc911
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shit bro!!!! you think i can pull a whole dub ..... sweet.......
its a male
and just a lower branch
Stompromper
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You guys cease to amaze me.. I said it'sifact based on experience. In MY room Allowing better light penitration benefits my plants. The smaller buds get fuller that they do if I just leave them in the shade.. I've tested it side by side more than once Same strain etc
I don't know why that is so hard to grasp. If it didn't make a difference I wouldn't say it did.
I don't know why that is so hard to grasp. If it didn't make a difference I wouldn't say it did.
chuck estevez
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Stompromper
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Sorry it's only a hypothesis until there is scientific proof.
Wonder why there are so many who go against the books and have success with defoliation.
All you can do is point out some dumb as that couldn't grow a plant no matter what he tried and say "yep see told ya so"...
Wonder why there are so many who go against the books and have success with defoliation.
All you can do is point out some dumb as that couldn't grow a plant no matter what he tried and say "yep see told ya so"...
Uncle Ben
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Wonder why so many don't have a control group and just see and parrot what they want to see and parrot. Perhaps you got ya some bud in spite of your evil ways? Big deal......
The laws of botany which includes photosynthesis and hormonal processes FYI can't be refuted. You need to learn about the function of a leaf.
Stompromper
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I do understand a leafs function. A leaf is feeding the node it's attached at.
Once that node matures and the bud starts making its own leaves that bud is getting fed by leaves within it.. After all a bud is comprised of many nodes..
If those leaves aren't getting any fuckin light the bud is going to be an airy piece of shit.
So cutting an old fan that's blocking light to new growth isn't going to hurt shit when it's allowing more light for the LEAVES on those little buds to photosynthesize and grow them larger and greener.
Once that node matures and the bud starts making its own leaves that bud is getting fed by leaves within it.. After all a bud is comprised of many nodes..
If those leaves aren't getting any fuckin light the bud is going to be an airy piece of shit.
So cutting an old fan that's blocking light to new growth isn't going to hurt shit when it's allowing more light for the LEAVES on those little buds to photosynthesize and grow them larger and greener.
Sativied
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Apparently you do not:
No. Leaves are sources for all sinks, even roots. "If the normal suppliers [leaves] are removed, carbohydrate can come from longer distances, sometimes from leaves more than a metre away" (borrowed from research a defoliator thought would help his argument...) Obviously a node doesn't die if you remove the leaves.
Translocation in the phloem is a whole plant process. Any basic botany book, any article on phloem translocation (of sugars/energy/photosynthate) will tell you the same thing, explicitly, because it's essential to understanding the function of a leaf. A leaf supplies a nearby sink more easily yes, logically, which is exactly why removing large leaves on top comes at a cost (see Marijuana Botany from RCC).
With sugar leaves filled with trichs who's function is to trap insects, prevent radiation and light from causing the fruit to evaporate water too fast.
Just one of many examples to make it easy for ya:
"Translocation is the movement of materials from leaves to other tissues throughout the plant. Plants produce carbohydrates (sugars) in their leaves by photosynthesis, but nonphotosynthetic parts of the plant also require carbohydrates and other organic and nonorganic materials. For this reason, nutrients are translocated from sources (regions of excess carbohydrates, primarily mature leaves) to sinks (regions where the carbohydrate is needed). Some important sinks are roots, flowers, fruits, stems, and developing leaves. Leaves are particularly interesting in this regard because they are sinks when they are young and become sources later, when they are about HALF grown."
http://www.biologyreference.com/Ta-Va/Translocation.html
So now defoliating means preventing others leaves from not getting "any fuckin light". If they wouldn't get any light, you wouldn't be able to see them.
"The products from the source are usually translocated to the nearest sink through the phloem. For example, photosynthates produced in the upper leaves will travel upward to the growing shoot tip, while photosynthates in the lower leaves will travel downward to the roots. Intermediate leaves will send products in both directions. The multidirectional flow of phloem contrasts the flow of xylem, which is always unidirectional (soil to leaf to atmosphere). However, the pattern of photosynthate flow changes as the plant grows and develops. Photosynthates are directed primarily to the roots during early development, to shoots and leaves during vegetative growth, and to seeds and fruits during reproductive development. They are also directed to tubers for storage."
Hence removing upper leaves to shine light on lower leaves is again counterproductive.
"long-distance transport of sap within the xylem and phloem - this is a whole plant phenomena"
http://www.uic.edu/classes/bios/bios100/lecturesf04am/lect19.htm
etc.
etc.
etc.
The following image sums that up quite nicely:
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Uncle Ben
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No it doesn't you dumb son of a bitch.
bigworm6969
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wow really uncle ben, i though you was a good guy but i guess i was wrong i hope you dont talk to people like that out in public, i can see you haveing black eyes all day, everyday theres no reason to get mad and start being a dick, if you dont like this thread how come you keep comeing back, you must like to be a dick, how bout somebody do a side by side grow if no volunteers i will do one cause im a believer it works, im running 34 female plants in a 6 x8 room with 2 1000 watt lights, in a month i will be done and do a proper side by side
bigworm6969
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you to bro whats your problem, you like fuckin with people
Apparently you do not:
No. Leaves are sources for all sinks, even roots. "If the normal suppliers [leaves] are removed, carbohydrate can come from longer distances, sometimes from leaves more than a metre away" (borrowed from research a defoliator thought would help his argument...) Obviously a node doesn't die if you remove the leaves.
Translocation in the phloem is a whole plant process. Any basic botany book, any article on phloem translocation (of sugars/energy/photosynthate) will tell you the same thing, explicitly, because it's essential to understanding the function of a leaf. A leaf supplies a nearby sink more easily yes, logically, which is exactly why removing large leaves on top comes at a cost (see Marijuana Botany from RCC).
With sugar leaves filled with trichs who's function is to trap insects, prevent radiation and light from causing the fruit to evaporate water too fast.
Just one of many examples to make it easy for ya:
"Translocation is the movement of materials from leaves to other tissues throughout the plant. Plants produce carbohydrates (sugars) in their leaves by photosynthesis, but nonphotosynthetic parts of the plant also require carbohydrates and other organic and nonorganic materials. For this reason, nutrients are translocated from sources (regions of excess carbohydrates, primarily mature leaves) to sinks (regions where the carbohydrate is needed). Some important sinks are roots, flowers, fruits, stems, and developing leaves. Leaves are particularly interesting in this regard because they are sinks when they are young and become sources later, when they are about HALF grown."
http://www.biologyreference.com/Ta-Va/Translocation.html
So now defoliating means preventing others leaves from not getting "any fuckin light". If they wouldn't get any light, you wouldn't be able to see them.
"The products from the source are usually translocated to the nearest sink through the phloem. For example, photosynthates produced in the upper leaves will travel upward to the growing shoot tip, while photosynthates in the lower leaves will travel downward to the roots. Intermediate leaves will send products in both directions. The multidirectional flow of phloem contrasts the flow of xylem, which is always unidirectional (soil to leaf to atmosphere). However, the pattern of photosynthate flow changes as the plant grows and develops. Photosynthates are directed primarily to the roots during early development, to shoots and leaves during vegetative growth, and to seeds and fruits during reproductive development. They are also directed to tubers for storage."
Hence removing upper leaves to shine light on lower leaves is again counterproductive.
"long-distance transport of sap within the xylem and phloem - this is a whole plant phenomena"
http://www.uic.edu/classes/bios/bios100/lecturesf04am/lect19.htm
etc.
etc.
etc.
The following image sums that up quite nicely:
Stompromper
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Fkn a man I want to do a side.by side too but I have a mix.of plants right now.so that wouldn't count.. plus I really.hate leaving ALL the leaves on them and getting all that larf.. 
Sativied
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Was it the asshat-ostrich or the undeniable facts that you consider fuckin with people...
Telling others to yank off leaves from their plants to increase the yield, insisting on posting false information, THAT's what I consider fucking with people, including yourself. And yeah... I do like fucking with people who fuck with people.
Pepe le skunk
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There is a trick you should do inside under lights around week 2. Ask the best if you can see there's around this time and chances are they will say no. It is what seperates people who know what there doing from the rest. Something I would have never thought to do until shown the light. But it does make a hugh difference. Promised not to tell because then all the cool kids would be doing it.
Uncle Ben
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Yep. It is what it is. I couldn't resist, hah!
Stompromper
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Even if you dine a side by side and came up a pound bettwr.. These shit sticks would say you done something wrong to the leafy plant... lol..
Uncle Ben
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Guys like you don't like science, don't care about botanical facts. Your focus is going along to get along, herd appeal. Blind leading the blind. Having said that, you'll never do a control group like it should be done nor produce any non-partisan empirical evidence that removing the very unit that produces bud increases bud.
I'm not sure I should call the practice an oxymoron or just plain stupidity.
When you and some of the others make statements like you did here - "I do understand a leafs function. A leaf is feeding the node it's attached at.." it's sign that you don't understand plant processes. It also suggests to me that you are not a gardener and probably very young just starting out.
Uncle Ben
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The pier effect - one guy lands a nice fish and before you know it he's surrounded by a bunch of idiots with poles in their hands thinking he has a magic spot.
CaretakerDad
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That would be "Even if you did" and you are the goofball with the crazy idea that removing power sources help production, where is your side by side? A seasoned grower (and someone who worked for a published, peer reviewed, and highly respected USDA scientist) would not waste the time, space, and effort needed to conclude what we already know (from actual science) is bad botany. And folks like you are the ones who will not accept knowledge and experience and insist your "feelings" are better than science.
And again it is much easier to make a cohesive argument if you can spell and use reasonable grammar.
Stompromper
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You know what I meant so go fuck off..
If I remove one power source up top so that more light can get to the lower power sources below the results will be better grown below...
Apparently you shitsticks have never seen the light green leaves and larf buds stuck under a bunch of light blocking leaves.. You're the idiots.
Please explain why as soon as you allow them direct light they green up and start growing fatter. Say it didn't happen and your just a fuckin imbecile.
If I remove one power source up top so that more light can get to the lower power sources below the results will be better grown below...
Apparently you shitsticks have never seen the light green leaves and larf buds stuck under a bunch of light blocking leaves.. You're the idiots.
Please explain why as soon as you allow them direct light they green up and start growing fatter. Say it didn't happen and your just a fuckin imbecile.