giving defoliation during flower a try

pk_boosted2

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And i would never carry miracle grow. Ive had about 2 bottles of dyna gro on my shelves for 2 yesrs i cant even give the crap away. Maybe once u start gettin good yields u can afford real nutrients u proly just cant afford to buy canna lol
 

pk_boosted2

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Miracle grow does not produce quality flowers lol u guys are fuckin insane id love to sample your shit and send it to my lab to check thc content terpenes cbd and cbn levels bet u dont even get over 10% in any category with that bullshit u guys try tellin people to run

Cheap nutes are cheap for a reason in this business the more u spend the more u get back its simple as that and its for a reason its like trying to tell me a ferrari isnt worth the money u guys are fucking stupid for real
 

Sativied

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If pk doesnt know his shit, then prove him wrong wize cracker.
See bloom booster thread for examples... Or better, learn something about how plants take up nutrients and what plant nutrients are to plants. Why plants exist, what plant material and bud is largely made of... and you'll be able to see through his nonsense yourself. There's not special about Canna except the label and the bottle. It's targeted at smaller unknowing growers who are suckers for the idea of getting more bud. It's all the same shit. Even more it HAS to be the same shit, as it's only that shit a plant 'eats'. How many greenhouses and large grow ops do you think waste money on having Canna mix their nutes and put their label on it.... that's all what they do. There's no magic, just basic elements, and the thing about those basic elements, is that at that basic level, they are the same.

Ask him about the time he tried defoliation for example, he defoliated half a plant! Like the left side....and let the right side grow.....um, ya so theres your genius mind at work.
Ok, so that's a major example of how you tell yourself you bust UB's balls? If you would learn a little about phloem translocation you'd know that is a whole plant process. Simply put, by doing it on the same plant, he actually gave an advantage to the defoliated side that a fully defoliate plant wouldn't have, the supply of photosynthate from the other side. Leaves work for the entire plant. Also, if that were a widely spread out cropped or topped plant it wouldn't be the worst way to test it, as a clone only saves genotype and not phenotype and both the defoliated and the non-mutilated side would get nutrients through the same roots mass from the same medium, same nutes, same watering regime. We discussed how to properly test it (no idea why, ah yes, to show that the tests from defoliators are far from clean tests) many times. Unlike UB I haven't seen you contribute much useful info to the discussions.

The reality is that you and the other UB haters are childish and end up upsetting yourself throwing tantrums like kids. Judging others while being delusional dicks. That's the typical pattern of these discussions.

I wasn't pointing the finger as in blaming you for the thread and its course. It's just good to see defoliators nuking sort of their own threads. If any one really wants to know, they can search the forums for previous discussions. There's no point in discussing it any further, defoliation is a dead horse. The defoliators lost that debate many times.
 

pk_boosted2

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This is only day 7 and flowers already forming from using bud ignitor the best flower initiator on the market.. With high p and k for flower development

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Just set up the trellising in one of the quads

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This is what a snake oil product produces nice fat stocky plants that will perform in bloom no bullshit Nitrogen and all crap u dummies talk about
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pk_boosted2

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Canna is the best bloom enhancer on the market canna boost is a molass based carbohydrate critical in providing energy sources needed for explosive growth go ask kyle kushman what he thinks about Canna or any of experts at his dispensary grows u trying tell me a dude who owns his own nutrient company raves about other products and its bullshit? U r out of your fuckin mind bro seriously get s grip
 

Sativied

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Satisvied wnother uncle ben loyalist who thinks walmart nutrients and dyna grow produces better results than the best nutrient company on the plant: CANNA..
As we said from the start, you'll fit right in here...

We don't have a walmart nor do we have dyna gro in the Netherlands... if you actually read my replies in the bloom booster thread instead of parroting AN pseudo-science, you would know I actually use H&G and GH. Although, I do use regular house plant potting soil too...

As for "uncle ben loyalist" and similar comments from you and the other with zero valid arguments, it just shows how your mind operates. Your loyal to a scam company that puts food on your table, you are loyal to a master. I'm only loyal to my plants, as they dictate what the best nutrient ratio and amount is. Not a nutrient company, bottle, chart, grow store employee, or any forum member.
 

Ninjabowler

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See bloom booster thread for examples... Or better, learn something about how plants take up nutrients and what plant nutrients are to plants. Why plants exist, what plant material and bud is largely made of... and you'll be able to see through his nonsense yourself. There's not special about Canna except the label and the bottle. It's targeted at smaller unknowing growers who are suckers for the idea of getting more bud. It's all the same shit. Even more it HAS to be the same shit, as it's only that shit a plant 'eats'. How many greenhouses and large grow ops do you think waste money on having Canna mix their nutes and put their label on it.... that's all what they do. There's no magic, just basic elements, and the thing about those basic elements, is that at that basic level, they are the same.

Ok, so that's a major example of how you tell yourself you bust UB's balls? If you would learn a little about phloem translocation you'd know that is a whole plant process. Simply put, by doing it on the same plant, he actually gave an advantage to the defoliated side that a fully defoliate plant wouldn't have, the supply of photosynthate from the other side. Leaves work for the entire plant. Also, if that were a widely spread out cropped or topped plant it wouldn't be the worst way to test it, as a clone only saves genotype and not phenotype and both the defoliated and the non-mutilated side would get nutrients through the same roots mass from the same medium, same nutes, same watering regime. We discussed how to properly test it (no idea why, ah yes, to show that the tests from defoliators are far from clean tests) many times. Unlike UB I haven't seen you contribute much useful info to the discussions.

The reality is that you and the other UB haters are childish and end up upsetting yourself throwing tantrums like kids. Judging others while being delusional dicks. That's the typical pattern of these discussions.

I wasn't pointing the finger as in blaming you for the thread and its course. It's just good to see defoliators nuking sort of their own threads. If any one really wants to know, they can search the forums for previous discussions. There's no point in discussing it any further, defoliation is a dead horse. The defoliators lost that debate many times.
Ya, we all know that our plants all eat the same stuff. But theres different amounts of the same stuff in all plant foods. Micro nutrient levels are different as well as macros. Miracle grow and dyna grow will give you different results right? Or am i wrong?

And why would greenhouses wast their money on a complete nutrient lineup and when their product rarely fetches over 5 bucks a pound. Cummon man.

And your really going to vouch for the half defoliated plant test? Really? Its the same plant!

The biggest kicker is all of the people that come to these threads and argue against you guys. Theres soooo many of them. And they post pics, and you scream "bullshit!", and they keep coming. And their plants look better than the ones you guys post, and still you scream "bullshit!". Heres another example of defoliation working. These plants are about threeish weeks into flower and the one on the left was pruned and the one on the right wasnt because i missed it. Ben screamed that it was a camera trick but its clearly just bigger buds....from pruning. image.jpg
 

pk_boosted2

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Canna is a deutsch based nutrient company been in business for over 30 yesrs designed nutrients specificall for growing medicsl grade cannabis in a country where its been doing trial research and development on a plant for almost half a century and you are gonna tell me its not good? Thats funny shit
 

pk_boosted2

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Ahh defoliation only works to some extent.. If done properly idk exactly what people always mean by defoliating by removing fan leaves during early flowering and veg inhibits flower development and slows growth should not ever be done to sativas, removing large interior site blocking fan leaves is ok but those are your solar panels and energy producing regions of your plant that maintain carbs and sugars that drive bud production. Never advisable to remove large amounts no more than <5% unless they have turned yellow and sre dying. Only time i actually "defoliate" is last 2 weeks of bloom i strip majority of all fan leaves as i leach nutrients from plants that have turned yellow this dramatically increases resin production by stressing the cannabis plants as a defense mechanism by nature the plant triggers a response to cost the buds witht he sticky thc glands and trichomes which is their hormonal response to stress and really works well. Bol cheers brotha
 

pk_boosted2

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Um do you know what 0-1-2 means lol? Do you see the application rate.. Its concentrated form of phosphates and soluable potash but okay buddy ur right is has no benefit to flower development whatsoever yet i can show u anside by side of plants that i used it on and same plants i didnt and u can see that the ones using bud ignitor have already established flowers while the others have barely even shown their sex but yesh your another person whose right its all snake oil keep doing ehat ur doing eventually u will know im speaking 100% facts
 

Ninjabowler

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Canna is a deutsch based nutrient company been in business for over 30 yesrs designed nutrients specificall for growing medicsl grade cannabis in a country where its been doing trial research and development on a plant for almost half a century and you are gonna tell me its not good? Thats funny shit
Hahahahaaaaaa! Pk, your a funny mother fucker. You got all these guys chasing their tails right now. I love it. :lol:
 

pk_boosted2

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Yah dont use canna its garbage go to home depot all u need is miracle grow.

How come if money is bottom line and turning profits dont any large industrial comercial growers use these bullshit nutrients u tell people to buy like dyna gro or peters or miracle grow at their facilities?

Oh i know because they dont fuckin work good DUH
 

Sativied

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But theres different amounts of the same stuff in all plant foods.
You are correct. Exactly, that is the whole point. Of the booster thread as well. It's why I use H&G and GH 'base nutes' only, as they give me enough freedom to adjust the ratio.

Now can we also agree that the ratio varies per strain, grow method, medium, veg time or as as I mentioned in the booster thread: The "best" ratio is one that provides each element sufficiently but does not lead to an imbalance over time (as in has too much or too little from one or more elements). What that best ratio is varies a lot. E.g. per pot size, medium, hydro setup, veg duration, fertilizing methods (fertigation vs premix) etc, etc. Plants, and not a nutrient manufacturer or grower, dictate what the best ratio is.

And I was referring to legal cannabis grows. And "large" because that makes the price of the crop rather irrelevant. Your argument is that the crop value being higher justifies wasting money on overpriced nutes. I assure you that's not how it works. The factor that matters is how much nutrients are used and how much can be saved on buying non-overpriced nutrients.

And your really going to vouch for the half defoliated plant test? Really? Its the same plant!
And here you show you are not interested in having a discussion based on facts but rather act like you're on a high school yard. Can you describe why it being one plant would skew the outcome of the test in a way that would actually be negative for the defoliated side? Since I took the time to explain why it would actually benefit "your" preferred outcome. If it would be a single cola plant that would be stupid (well, unless it would be to proof what RCC wrote...) but when there are multiple bud sites as I explained in my previous reply...

And their plants look better than the ones you guys post,
No. They don't look better, and they don't yield more either. Again, that debate has already been lost by defoliators many times. Read through previous defoliation discussions instead of making up false statements like that.
 

Sativied

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Hahahahaaaaaa! Pk, your a funny mother fucker. You got all these guys chasing their tails right now. I love it. :lol:
I ask again: you actually believe that? :rolleyes: Let me give you a tip: you're making it too obvious. Your bias that is. You seem like one of those people who thinks if you just belief hard enough it will become fact.
 

pk_boosted2

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Bro h&g is same shit is canna just knockout off it ony thing h&g has thats better than any canna product is roots execlleratur their boost isnt better and neither is the top shooter or booster vs canna pk 13/14 so wtf r u talking about u gonna knock canna but say h&g is good the dude who made h&g came from canna lol ur a clown too
 

Sativied

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and you are gonna tell me its not good? Thats funny shit
Show me where I said that...

It's as good as any other with a similar ratio, it's not as special as you want to promote it to be. It's just a brand, you pay for the brand, the label. It's like anti-aging skin cream, 99.99% bullshit. As I mentioned in the other thread, you think exactly like the other hydro store employee in this forum, that AN or Canna creates better salts... now THAT is some funny shit.
 

Ninjabowler

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You are correct. Exactly, that is the whole point. Of the booster thread as well. It's why I use H&G and GH 'base nutes' only, as they give me enough freedom to adjust the ratio.

Now can we also agree that the ratio varies per strain, grow method, medium, veg time or as as I mentioned in the booster thread: The "best" ratio is one that provides each element sufficiently but does not lead to an imbalance over time (as in has too much or too little from one or more elements). What that best ratio is varies a lot. E.g. per pot size, medium, hydro setup, veg duration, fertilizing methods (fertigation vs premix) etc, etc. Plants, and not a nutrient manufacturer or grower, dictate what the best ratio is.

And I was referring to legal cannabis grows. And "large" because that makes the price of the crop rather irrelevant. Your argument is that the crop value being higher justifies wasting money on overpriced nutes. I assure you that's not how it works. The factor that matters is how much nutrients are used and how much can be saved on buying non-overpriced nutrients.
i agree with this. I dont want to waste money on nutrients. I like to use the least possible just like everybody else. But with the worth of our product and the amount of people producing it i obviously want to stand out as a step above the people who get mediocre results. The product pays for the setup and if it didnt the loss of revenue would force miracle grow on every producer. If i have to spend a couple more bucks to achieve the best possible results i will. Its what keeps us ahead of the game. Second place is the first looser right?
 
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