waterdawg
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You sure are a half empty type guy lol. Yes it is a waste of space but its pretty cool none the less.
giving defoliation during flower a try
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waterdawg
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Totally agree! Not everyone has the means to grow monster plants outdoors in the back 40. Here even one plant is a bad thing, over 5 is mandatory 6 months. Plant counts matter and any method that enables more from less is sometimes desirable.
Uncle Ben
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Sorry, I'm not into "cool".
RM3
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Here is one for ya Uncle Ben, I linked your moisture stress thread but no one seemed to get it
https://www.rollitup.org/t/leaves-stuck-pointing-straight-up.854509/
https://www.rollitup.org/t/leaves-stuck-pointing-straight-up.854509/
Uncle Ben
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To be fair, it's hard to tell not being there and checking out the green maters. Red stands out, green is hidden.
Fellas, I did an experiment about 25 years ago with 2 different tomato varieties (Big Set and Celebrity) in order to test yields between the two. 4 plants. I quit counting at 256 early in the growing season. At the end of the season my indeterminate maters are 7' tall and 5' wide. I'm a variety freak. If you need varietal info, I can help.
Regarding vegging, most folks take 3 months to get to where I am in 3 weeks. It's all dependent on the grower's skills and knowledge base.
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Uncle Ben
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What can I say?
Just posted a revised version. Thanks.
https://www.rollitup.org/t/leaves-stuck-pointing-straight-up.854509/page-6
waterdawg
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I've noticed
waterdawg
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Still waiting on the defoliation thoughts. Does it work when replanting in veg or is RM doing it wrong as well?
Sativied
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Did you get to the part where the donkey stuck his ass up his head so far it came out of his head again? Great scene. Crap dialog but cool special effects.
Sativied
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No. And yes.
Growan
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Man, I always go for popcorn during the good part of the show!
A donkey too... I love donkeys. So funny looking.
waterdawg
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Well at least someone answered lol.
Uncle Ben
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Not sure what the question is, Mr. Demanding. I thought I addressed the benefits of defoliating the lower part only to be able to safely bury the trunk as deep as possible to promote root output. If that's the question, it works anytime the trunk is buried but while the plant is young is best regarding timing, becoming established, etc.
Sativied
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I thought "it works" referred to an increased yield from defoliation. If you measure yield not per plant but per the given limited space and time, it does not work. As awesome as RM3's two plants were, in terms of yield on the given space, time and light used it's far from "working".
There's only so much bud one can fit in a given space. Once you reach about 1gpw with a given setup it's mostly time that becomes a concern. How often per year can you pull that 1gpw is what matters. Flowering creates bud. Vegging is just to get enough leaves and branches, which up to a point is best done by adding more clones/plants, not by vegging for a period that by itself is long enough for an entire flower cycle.
Could be useful if you have a limited plant count, but then a scrog is still more effective. I rarely see a proper scrog on RIU. The mistake most scroggers make is thinking they need to weave the plant and strap it down till the end of transition. But if done properly the result is very similar to a bunch of plants topped a la UB topping technique and supported with a few rings or whatever. It's like canopy control with training wheels and can be quite effective. Especially compared to dropping one or two plants under a bulb...
There's only so much bud one can fit in a given space. Once you reach about 1gpw with a given setup it's mostly time that becomes a concern. How often per year can you pull that 1gpw is what matters. Flowering creates bud. Vegging is just to get enough leaves and branches, which up to a point is best done by adding more clones/plants, not by vegging for a period that by itself is long enough for an entire flower cycle.
Could be useful if you have a limited plant count, but then a scrog is still more effective. I rarely see a proper scrog on RIU. The mistake most scroggers make is thinking they need to weave the plant and strap it down till the end of transition. But if done properly the result is very similar to a bunch of plants topped a la UB topping technique and supported with a few rings or whatever. It's like canopy control with training wheels and can be quite effective. Especially compared to dropping one or two plants under a bulb...
RM3
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Yeppers, the reason I did it was to show growers how to get higher yields with a low plant count. Only allowed 2 in flower for med growers in my state. I DO NOT normally grow this way
Sativied
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Which makes that grow and method a good example of there being useful situations for removing leaves, a situation that preferable should be avoided. It should not lead to the conclusion that "defoliation works". Just saying, in general, (@waterdawg 
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@waterdawg: I thought they call it a seal in english. We call it a zeehond, meaning sea dog. I have fed and petted sea dogs as a kid.
)@waterdawg: I thought they call it a seal in english. We call it a zeehond, meaning sea dog. I have fed and petted sea dogs as a kid.
waterdawg
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Well I do believe I did quite clearly ask about the upper part of the plant. Seems to me that you had previously accused me of "dodging" the question in a previous post. And no you didnt address the upper plant that clearly RM does as well. Again the burying of the stalk is an old trick just curious about your thoughts on the upper part, which again you have "dodged". Obviously RM is not worthy of your defoliating wrath. What a dick!!!