is this a female?

bmeat why ask questions only to argue with the answers you get? any feminised seed is a hermi seed but stablised which only needs to be stressed out to bring the hermi out of her (turn male) simple as that an dont bother wiv any more of the xxy an all that bull shit after studying the plant intensivly at university im not gonna listen to some one that had to ask someone else how to sex your plant and to your question about cloning, if your plant is dying its going thru a lot of stress hence why its dying even if you made a cutting leaving just a stump in the soil that cutting is still as stressed as it was before ya chopped it plus the stress you just subjected her too so the energy it would use to grow new roots has to be halfed to stop its self dyin even thou your (9 times out of 10) probs the reason she's dying in the first place therefore not gonna change anything so she'll die flush the cunt out of her no more nutes see if she get any better if so try take cuttings as it is possible to go bak to veg if she aint too late into flower but this does take months in some cases BUT SHE WILL BE A HERMI... GUARENTEED!! so id just start over tbh

im assuming that you own and know how to use ph and ec meters etc if not read into them and invest!!!

peace
 

bmeat

New Member
somehow fish emulsion burnt it. im not going to feed for awhile. the tomato took it like a champ. weird.

plant is not miserable. roots are just starting to become root bound at 4 weeks. i will tranplant tomato and cannabis soon (if its a female that is) if not, hes going under my deck like that last one!

i have two feminized acid (sour grapefruit diesel) seeds in some even better soil. i used a bit less compost when i mixed my soil, and its more airy like a pillow, so they should do well. im going to also water them correctly.

2012-12-31_13-15-26_411.jpg 2012-12-29_13-18-16_919.jpg2012-12-31_12-59-33_643.jpg2012-12-31_12-59-38_591.jpgthis was the other male, at 3 weeks. he grew better than this currect plant, but they got the same treatment, so im not sure why. id say a decent size for 3 weeks at 12/12 from seed. very healthy. survived frost for 4-5 days.

this plant was always a droopy, sad slow grower compared to the other (the one in the pictures above) i could never fix it :/
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
dimebong, they are all hermies, 50% a hermie and a female, thats what he doesnt understand. its bred into their dna, they have a bigger potential to become a female or hermie. 50% chance to become a hermie. a regular seed wont have AS big of a chance, but it probably can, becase weve bred into the whole speices the hermie characteristic. i bet i can stress the shit out of a regular seed and it wont change. lemme try. this POS male should i do something to it :fire:
No matter how many times you tell your lies, they do not become closer to being true.

I'll explain it again. This is not for your benefit bmeat, because you are a moron and unable to understand the simplest of concepts. This is to counter your dangerously stupid lies.

Take two clones off a female plant. Those plants will have two chromosomes as marijuana is diploid.
The female plants will have two X chromosomes. If they had any Y chromosomes, they would not be female plants.

If you take some colloidal silver and spray one of female plants, it will cause the plant stress. That stress can be limited to one branch if desired. There are hormones in the plant that will make the sprayed area produce male flowers. Only the sprayed area will produce male flowers. These hormones are natural and why plants produce male flowers or "hermie" in the wild. It is a natural survival process for cannabis, despite what mouth breathers like bmeat will tell you.

These male flowers will show a couple weeks after the spraying has stopped. The male flowers will produce pollen that can make seeds.

The pollen only has the genetics it was created with.
Those genetics include the two X chromosomes because it is a female plant.


If the unsprayed clone is pollinated with pollen that has only has X chromosomes, it can not produce a male plant.
If the mother plant that the two clones were taken from is unlikely to "herm" then the offspring will be unlikely to "herm."
The opposite is true as well.

Stress can not be passed on through genetics. It is not possible. So when people like bmeat talk about feminized seeds and "hermies" they are talking garbage.
This is where bmeat and many others have a disconnect with reality.

Many unskilled growers bought feminized seeds. They grew the seeds in bad environments and stressed the plants into showing male flowers. This was not due to genetics, it was due to crappy growing. The crappy growers do not want to believe it was their fault, so they blame it on the seeds.

These terrible growers complained all over the internet that fem seeds produce hermies.
People like bmeat believe these terrible growers for some reason. Not only does bmeat believe this garbage, he spreads lies about it. bmeat will bring up unrelated articles that have nothing to do with the conversation. It is a bit embarrassing.

Here we are years and years past when feminized seeds first became popular. Millions of feminized seeds are produced and sold each year. Why are there not more stories about "hermies" and male plants?

You would think that breeders would stop producing feminized seeds if they "hermied" or turned male. Why would a breeder let a bad product ruin their reputation?

It really is disconcerting to see so many people still believe lies about feminized seeds after all these years when the correct information is out there.

Why are the good growers on this site banding together to denounce feminized seeds?
You know why? Because good growers get female plants from feminized seeds.

Why would anyone lsiten to bmeat? What has bmeat done to lead you to beleive that his weird and unverifiable opinions about fem seeds are even close to reality?

redhead genepools will be weaned down soon, and there will be none left becuase of their negative reproduction number compared
What the fuck does this have to do with feminized seeds?
You are a lying asshole bmeat.

This is the type of garbage I am talking about. bmeat wants to compare stuff he doesn't understand about human genetics to plants.
It is a total dick move.

breeding a dog is really inbredding a dog just different slang. good for looks, for the joints the teeth (which are joints really) are always not as good, cause its not normal for creatures to not venture out in the wild. when something goes wrong generation after generation you have to breed in different traits. the system is tired and bored
Again you are trying to use examples of something you do not understand to defend your incorrect opinions and sstupid ideas.

cannabis hermie is a xxy its been karyotyped as that, just as a human, so you can use the same xy and yy (and mutant xxy, xyy, xxx)
You are partially correct. With feminized seeds you get a plant that has two X chromosomes. Ignoring the fact that cannabis is a diploid, where does that third chromosome come from? Does Jesus put it there?

I know, you want to beleive that stress can be passed on through genetics. It can not in the way you think. The entire scientific world disagrees with you, yet you ramble on, confident in your stupidity.

(xxy hermie, then super males and super females..theyre big in stature but weak with small heads with bad systems)
If feminized seeds actually did this, why would you bother with them? Are you a complete idiot?

when plants first started, there was no need for them to be asexual.

You do not understand what you are lying about again. I would like to read about this, if it actually exists.
Marijuana does not produce asexually. It has male and female plants. It always has. Don't try to lie about that.

Marijuana can self pollinate like may other plants. It is natural and normal and was not something that humans had anything to do with.


that is a last resort mutant change that only happens when its the end of the road for them,
And it is a natural and normal process. You do not understand what a mutant is.
You are using words and concepts that you do not understand again. Stop lying asshole.



and there are no mates left. they must contiune the species.
This is a good one. You are saying weed plants can sense when their are no "mates" left for them?
You are really dumb.

Cannabis plants are grown every day with out "mates." why don't they turn into hermphrodites?



when it was first created there was tons of seed and many males and females..probably at close to equal rates as well
When what was created? Do you think a super natural being snapped his fingers and cannabis appeared on the earth?
Again you do not know what you are talking about. It is really weird how dumb you are.

then we get involved and things change. and it gets passed down through dna in fact.
No it does not. You are a liar.


i will use a feminized becuase theyre created.
You call them mutants and expect half to be hermaphrodites and a quarter to be males and you will still use them?
Your stupidity is epic.


even a tomato is one. this heriloom is growing strong, its the size of my hand already at 3 weeks lol.
I am amzed you haven't killed it yet. You do not know what you are talking about when it comes to feminized seeds and you are just as cluless with tomatoes. If I did not know better, it is as if you are working at being dumber.

i will never support monsanto/mircalgrow/scotts they ruined a lot of things, buy other brands
They have nothing to do with feminized seeds.

You are an idiot and a lying asshole.
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
i have two feminized acid (sour grapefruit diesel) seeds in some even better soil.

Well fuck you for lying about feminized seeds and then using them.
Stop giving "advice" about weed when you can not even grow it yourself.

You are a liar. Stop it.
 

bmeat

New Member
cannabis does not encounter 30ppm + of silver on a daily basis for a week in their native enviornment. they also do not live in solitude, so there is no need for them to ever have hermied, without intervention, like humans did/created. we invented the hermie trait, and it got passed down, as a survival technique through dna. 30ppm of nano silver is pretty toxic to a bigger, better filtering sytem of a human for a week, and its detremential enough to change a sex gland into a male parts! i wouldnt want that to happen to my ovaries if i was a female! id like my hormones to maintain homeostatis.

male xy. female xx. hermie xxy.

xy (xx) = xx, xx, yx, yx. so, 50% chance of male and female, at this normal rate.

xx (toxic level of a heavy metal) = xxy

(female)(male)= 50% chance of either

(female/male (aka. hermie))(female)= (female)(female)= female OR (male)(female) = hermie

(female/male(aka. herman) (itself) = even stronger herman trait


or you try and let a plant "over flower" to see if itll turn itself into a hermie to pollinate itself, and then other females (if you would like). problem is, regular seeds WONT do this, only feminized seeds will, becuase they dont have the xxy gene in their dna. or do they over the years of fucking with them? if so, regular seeds are much more stable, becuase the prior generation wasnt a direct herman.

what happens when you spray male glands with collidal silver?
 

bmeat

New Member
and trousers, you couldnt even keep two sprouts alive, you have no room to talk.

the glands grew overnight. looking like male or female sacks?

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Trousers

Well-Known Member
Again I am only answering your stupid lies because I enjoy arguing and I hope that some poor person does not believe your lies.

cannabis does not encounter 30ppm + of silver on a daily basis for a week in their native enviornment.
It does encounter stress that does exactly the same thing. You are not smart enough to acknowledge this. You have also said that hermaphroditism in cannabis was created by man. That was really dumb.


they also do not live in solitude,

Cannabis plants can be in solitude if a seed ends up that way. Damn you are dumb.
Once I grew a female cannabis plant alone. I got 12 ounces off it. It was a virgin, like you.
I do not know what you are trying to lie about.

so there is no need for them to ever have hermied, without intervention, like humans did/created.
Here you go ladies and gentlemen, the stupidest person on RIU and possibly the internet.

This mouth breathing moron thinks that humans made hermaphrodites.
I do not know how to respond to this stupidity.
Please find something that backs up this idea. I would like to see where you got this incredibly stupid notion.


we invented the hermie trait, and it got passed down, as a survival technique through dna.


There it is.
This idiot says that humans created hermaphroditism.
You are an idiot and a liar. Stop lying asshole.



30ppm of nano silver is pretty toxic to a bigger, better filtering sytem of a human for a week,
You are a liar.
I would use 50 ppm. It is not dangerous to humans or plants. You can not back this up with anything despite your best efforts.
You are dangerously stupid.

If you spray one branch, only that branch will produce male flowers. If it were toxic to the plant, the plant would die, like your plants did because you do not know how to grow.

and its detremential enough to change a sex gland into a male parts!
It triggers hormones that are triggered naturally by stress. You are an idiot and a liar.

i wouldnt want that to happen to my ovaries if i was a female!
Plants do not have ovaries you idiot. You have proven nothing except your exceptional stupidity.



id like my hormones to maintain homeostatis
Another word you do not know how to spell or use properly. You do not understand what happens, yet you are willing to make up lies about it. It is amazing.

male xy. female xx. hermie xxy.
This has nothing to do with feminized seeds. You are an idiot.
A feminized seed has only two X chromosomes. Where does the extra Y chromosome come from?
You are an idiot.

xy (xx) = xx, xx, yx, yx. so, 50% chance of male and female, at this normal rate.
No moron.

(XX) x (XX) will get you (XX) no matter how you draw it up. Look up Mendel, idiot.

xx (toxic level of a heavy metal) = xxy
Where does the Y chromosome come from? Does Jesus put it there? The colloidal silver does not create a chromosome you idiot. It can not do that.

female = female
idiot=idiot

(male+female)(female)

=malefemale (hermie)

=femalefemale (female)

The depths of your idiocy are fascinating. I can't wait for more posts from you.

or you try and let a plant "over flower" to see if itll turn itself into a hermie to pollinate itself, and then other females (if you would like). problem is, regular seeds WONT do this, only feminized seeds will.
You are a lying idiot.
The technique you are lying about is called rodelization. Basically that is letting a female plant flower longer than normal to produce male flowers. It is normal and natural. It happens with any female marijuana plant, not just from feminized seeds.

You are a lying asshole.
stop it.


what happens when you spray male glands with collidal silver?
Try to focus on one thing that your ar wrong about at a time, lying asshole.
 

bmeat

New Member
"No moron.

(XX) x (XX) will get you (XX) no matter how you draw it up. Look up Mendel, idiot"

number one, a female cant pollinate a female lmao.

number two, stop cutting my sentences short. if you want to spend your time quoting me, do it properly and less snakelike.

we did create hermaphodites. wether it be by moving a speices around, or by poisioning it.
 

bmeat

New Member
"Environmental stresses sometimes create pollen bearing male flowers on female plants—known as hermaphroditism or 'hermying'.
A method used by organic growers and promulgated by the Cannabis breeder Soma, is called 'Rodelization', or letting un-pollinated female plants live several weeks longer than the normal harvest time. In select plants, a hermaphroditic trait self-expresses in an effort to continue the genetic line.

Some vendors of feminized seeds assert that hermaphroditic "parents" do not create reliable feminized seeds, since the offspring may (will lol) retain this tendency. Others believe that this method utilizing auto-hermaphroditic traits is offset by grower observations that the tendency to auto-switch sex is not great in plants grown from seeds made this way, and that it occurs naturally without effort on the part of the cultivator.

Some cultivators claim that the genes responsible for hermaphroditism are present and may be expressed under stress from any of the above methods and that once expressed, this characteristic passes to seeds regardless of what activated it. This view, in large part, is incorrect, as a random half of the genes present in each of the parental plants passes to the next generation, regardless of whether the genes that contribute to hermaphroditism were induced by stressors or not!!! This widely accepted Mendelian model of inheritance (Mendelian inheritance) does allow for genetic mutations that have occurred in the germline (Germline) of an organism to be passed on to any offspring, but this process applies to all DNA sequences, not just those contributing to hermaphroditism. The inheritance of acquired characteristics (Lamarckism) that are not directly coded in the DNA sequence (Epigenetics) has recently received much attention in the area of genetic research and could possibly explain any anecdotal evidence for increased hermaphroditism in the offspring of plants induced to a hermaphroditic state. However, a more likely explanation is that by propagating plants easily induced to hermaphroditism by environmental stressors, the frequency of genetic elements contributing to this trait is increased by artificial selection following traditional genetic models of inheritance. Some theories suggest it is possible to selectively breed hermaphroditic cannabis to express the female flowering before the male flowering occurs, though this kind of selective breeding is beyond the capabilities of most cultivators."

the only words of mine in there are (will lol) and i boled and underlined the parts that i want you to attmpt to focus on
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
number one, a female cant pollinate a female lmao.
Wow. You are so incredibly stupid. This is almost as bad as you saying that humans created hermaphrodites.
Seriously. This is incredible.

Again, you dumb fucking asshole:

How does a plant that has only two X chromosomes produce a Y chromosome?
I'll answer that for you, it can not. You are an idiot.



number two, stop cutting my sentences short. if you want to spend your time quoting me, do it properly and less snakelike.
Learn how to use grammar, spelling and syntax to better express your stupid lies.
You think that humans created hermaphrodites. You are amazingly stupid.

we did create hermaphodites. wether it be by moving a speices around, or by poisioning it.


Should I post the private messages qwhere you beg me for some feminized seeds?
Fuck you. Stop lying and being an asshole.
 

bmeat

New Member
when the plant is flowering, its sex organs ARE BEING CREATED. THIS IS THE TIME WHEN MALE AND FEMALE IS DISTINGUISHED. SINCE YOU DISRUPT, BREAK, CONFUSE, DESTORY ETC. THE HOROMONES SO MUCH, YOU CREATE A MALE CHARACTERISTIC IN A FEMALE AKA XXY.

DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND?
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
"Environmental stresses sometimes create pollen bearing male flowers on female plants—known as hermaphroditism or 'hermying'.
A method used by organic growers and promulgated by the Cannabis breeder Soma, is called 'Rodelization', or letting un-pollinated female plants live several weeks longer than the normal harvest time. In select plants, a hermaphroditic trait self-expresses in an effort to continue the genetic line.
You are posting things that do not back up your idiotic arguments. Humans did not create hermaphroditism. If you can not get past that, no one can help you.
Some vendors of feminized seeds assert that hermaphroditic "parents" do not create reliable feminized seeds, since the offspring may (will lol) retain this tendency.
Who? What vendors say this?
You are a liar and a dumb asshole.
Others believe that this method utilizing auto-hermaphroditic traits is offset by grower observations
It should read, "shitty grower observations."The shitty growers, like you, are the ones that produce plants that "herm" due to bad growing.
that the tendency to auto-switch sex is not great in plants grown from seeds made this way, and that it occurs naturally without effort on the part of the cultivator.
Who is saying this?

Some cultivators claim that the genes responsible for hermaphroditism are present and may be expressed under stress from any of the above methods and that once expressed, this characteristic passes to seeds regardless of what activated it. This view, in large part, is incorrect, as a random half of the genes present in each of the parental plants passes to the next generation, regardless of whether the genes that contribute to hermaphroditism were induced by stressors or not!!!
If that were true, why are millions of feminized seeds sold each year without those problems?


This widely accepted Mendelian model of inheritance (Mendelian inheritance) does allow for genetic mutations that have occurred in the germline (Germline) of an organism to be passed on to any offspring, but this process applies to all DNA sequences, not just those contributing to hermaphroditism. The inheritance of acquired characteristics (Lamarckism) that are not directly coded in the DNA sequence (Epigenetics) has recently received much attention in the area of genetic research and could possibly explain any anecdotal evidence for increased hermaphroditism in the offspring of plants induced to a hermaphroditic state.
Stress like colloidal silver does not directly change the dna, no matter what you say.



However, a more likely explanation is that by propagating plants easily induced to hermaphroditism by environmental stressors, the frequency of genetic elements contributing to this trait is increased by artificial selection following traditional genetic models of inheritance.
There you go. You posted that. It shows you are wrong.
We are talking about one generation. So your whole "hermie" argument is bullshit, you are a liar and an asshole.



Some theories suggest it is possible to selectively breed hermaphroditic cannabis to express the female flowering before the male flowering occurs, though this kind of selective breeding is beyond the capabilities of most cultivators."
the only words of mine in there are (will lol) and i boled and underlined the parts that i want you to attmpt to focus on
You are a dumb asshole and a liar. You have proven nothing except how dumb you really are.


Answer me this, I have asked you a bunch of times:

If any of your bullshit lies are true, why are there millions of feminized seeds produced and sold each year without the problems you list?

You would think there would be thousands of dissatisfied people clammering on the internet about the mutant, hermie plants that are produced by fem seeds. Instead we only hear from assholes like you that do not know what the fuck they are talking about.


Stop lying asshole.
 

bmeat

New Member
because the breeders have a lot of experience and have been doing it for years like mad scientists, trying to minimize the 50% hermie trait that exsists in a feminized seed. we have been mutating tomatoes long enough to make them all asexual.

let me get back on track so we can end this thread.

the sacks grew overnight. male or female sacks?

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Trousers

Well-Known Member
-Why are there millions of feminized seeds produced and sold each year without the problems you list?



when the plant is flowering, its sex organs ARE BEING CREATED.
You do not understand what you are talking about. They are not created. Matter can neither be created or destroyed. Flowers are produced. You do not understand the process and too dumb to understand it.


THIS IS THE TIME WHEN MALE AND FEMALE IS DISTINGUISHED.
Caps do not make you right, idiot.
If you take a clone from a female plant, can it still become male?
No, it can not, no matter what you say.

You are not proving anything, except the depths you will go to to try to save face. It is pathetic.


SINCE YOU DISRUPT, BREAK, CONFUSE, DESTORY ETC.
No. stop lying. This does not happen. You are an idiot and a liar. Stop it. You can not prove your lies.




THE HOROMONES SO MUCH, YOU CREATE A MALE CHARACTERISTIC IN A FEMALE AKA XXY.
where does the Y chromosome come from asshole? I keep asking you and you keep just saying it appears magically. It does not. You are an asshole and a liar.

DO. YOU. UNDERSTAND?

I understand that you are a dumb asshole and a liar.

-Why are there millions of feminized seeds produced and sold each year without the problems you list?
 

Trousers

Well-Known Member
because the breeders have a lot of experience and have been doing it for years like mad scientists, trying to minimize the 50% hermie trait that exsists in a feminized seed. we have been mutating tomatoes long enough to make them all asexual.
So now you are saying that because of the breeders there are no problems with feminized seeds?


You are a liar and an asshole. You are lying about tomatoes and you are lying about feminized seeds.
How come all the feminized seeds I have produced (remember, the ones you begged me for in private messages?) have not be anything but female?



so we can end this thread.
Stop lying, admit you are wrong and we can let your parade of lies die.

the sacks grew overnight. male or female sacks?

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The answer is you are a shitty grower, a liar and an idiot.
 
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