Leaf damage? Dtw coco

Absorber said:

Sorry to hear the troubles you had ,did you run a dehumidifier and what humidity was tent at ?

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38-50rh 45 average temps were 66-89F 85f average. I ran the dehuey on 45% then continuous operation when I saw mold but then read its bad to be too dry and even vpd wasnt good when I checked sometimes.

Will for sure check into that tomorrow its all I have time to do now lol.

I have mother plants and two mini flowering clones different strain no PM at all. Checking daily its in same room if that means anything. New strains, lower chances? hmm. Idk if I infected my mother if the strain Ive ran exclusively for almost a year. Idk if its possible for a mom to crap out early.

I didnt think air in tent could be truly dead as if you blow vapor it disperses quick but that was just a bro science approach. Sticking my head in there felt dead as hell no canopy fans I didnt think much of it until the mold appeared but I seen a video I was just mentioning where guy in my situation still got PM but he had lots of air circulation on the plants. Different strains from seed I think. He didnt mention.

Will see I guess but all I know is dont rush into flower until something had changed. Il be growing small enough plants to fit a fan right beside them I was thinking tower so its through out top and bottom of plant. Also tough to fit a pedestal size anywhere in tent but will reread suggestions ask more questions get this sorted out.

So frantic lol remembering now the good thing about PM my moms are savable with milk spray or etc and botritus needs bud to form I hope as one said whos grown a while but could be wrong. Just searched and found no clear answer, can botrotus infect veg plants? A plant with botritus being systemic in flower cant be revegged or cloned since yes it is but what ablut my mother and veg clones?

Yea going to make a few of those fan things. Having one above lights in tents idk if it will get the plants from wall to wall. Id think some how getting them to sit beside the plants would work good or tower fan on each side. Willing to try anything though.

Hell my banana clone is still fine. I didnt need to shed any blood to get to this point and I basically did the opposite, instead of a spore filter fan I had a tent full of mold exaust into the room for 2 months straight. I got really far so its just chances and reducing risks which removing carpet will help a lot.

Issue I have though is I still have a tv and a bed that would be nice if to stay there. Any suggestions on what I should do, does washing machines remove spores from clothing and bed fabrics? Maybe get a plastic wrap around the mattress? Buy new fabrics and pillows? I got a console for tv so electronics basicly asking how to clean those out, just a vacuum?

Thay would be such a big effort Id have to see results from but can only get so low in concentration and still be at risk. I could try one clone asap a bigger one. Its just not a good idea to crank it up like I was, got to work up to that point again or else its just a big loss.

My pride and joy that so far is surviving the gardenpocolypse. Might be the next strain to save my ass from buying from store but thats no big deal. Bananas like a mf! Touched the bud by mistake and smells like pure bananas. Just let her grow popcorny small and fanned up. This has no fan though. Got to know when to hold and fold em.

Just reminds me of the potato ordeal long ago from not using different strains but it should be able to get any of them but hmm. Same enviorment only difference Im cloning left and right mono crop fumbling mothers replacing them left and right no sterile scissors etc. Maybe my baby lost it?

The next babe is takin over lol. Still worth mothering or popping new beans of same strain and know what youre working for. That sweet sweet banana candy krush lol.

As long as you can find a dry place to stuff the BFFU (box fan filter unit) in the tent, it should help circulate the clean air throughout the tent space, even with lights or other obstructions in the way. Airflow is key! I've had plants mildew and mold up in brand new unused grow rooms with new floors and everything, because I got anxious to grow but didn't have enough circulation going in a few areas. I've also had plants grow on dingy carpets in without a trace of PM the whole time, simply because there was more open space with better air flow and fans. PM\mold spores are everywhere in the air (unless you're growing in a high class clean room, or in vitro, etc), and the best chance you got is to prevent them from being able to germinate in the first place. It can sneak up quick, but not if you have big enough oversized fans blasting the canopy with filters the whole time IME.

Another trick is to tape a smaller furnace filter over the intake port on your dehumidifier, so you know it always stays fairly clean inside and around the coils, and also blows fresh filtered air. You'll have to change that filter often too, but you'll see how cruddy it gets and how much crap its filtering that would otherwise blow through it and possibly end up building up inside. Last thing you want is a dehuey blasting spores and other funk built up from old grows onto the new ones. Which reminds me, I need to take mine apart and do a good cleaning. Blast the coils with steam, and quit running it without a prefilter.

Fans should be cleaned often too, especially if you aren't filtering the air going through them.


Ahhhh! PM sucks! You did the right thing to terminate the run though.

Sounds awesome aside from fact I saw a guy ranting from pm even though he has lots of air on the plant but not from above. They were pretty blasted but he didnt have a filter or I dont think he did. I was going to keep a plant with a fan blasting it to see if it would help but didnt think it would work. Does it matter once it infects on plant?

I feel like I overreacted but then again the other plants were growing the same might of already been infected with botritus. I learned botritus unless its days from chop its going to spread internally which I didnt know. Thats what systemic means but pm is not systemic and fightable but I got grossed out.

I started out debating if to consume but didnt even bother, it reminded me of first grow that molded and quickly was like no thanks.

I did undoubtedly have lack of air flow and too big plants I was told long ago. I was starting to grow the way I was suggested to while maximizing it but ya. So theres hope, cant base everything off what someone posted, unless theyre comprehensively making sure theyre reporting everything accurately you dont get the proof in the pudding effect.

Hell I have a urge to correct lots of things this has me taking a step back. Lots to this there could be a weed growing university lol.

I really thought this was the end, that I was proof of newbies having 3 real good grows then gows to shit and they exit the game. Shit thats almost me but only if I quit!! I like the idea that quitting is the worst you could do even though Ive quit so many things in life. This doesnt need be one of them. Fueled by thc!

I found pm on the mothers afterall or really just one strain real bad might of even been ground zero. Its hopefully no big deal you just keep spraying it and eventually make a new clone idk. Just gonna put them somewhere opened up with a fan on it in the flower tent. You can save mothers with pm right?

How it hasnt effected my mini flower clones is beyond me but could be speaking too soon. I just thought if it was gonna happen it would by now. Its literally the only two clones that didnt get any pm on it but it has better airflow not packed at all.

I was expecting it to but it didnt so hmm.

From a square ft cabinet to this. It was bunched up and Pm heaven I just pushed my luck not checking close enough and its hard to. I finally found some spots advanced growth but I swear its not on the flower clones theyre easy to check and so were a couple diff strains in the mother cab. It was only on one strain pretty much.

I dont think its strain as I found nothing about that other than bro science grower speculation no better than mine. That different strains get infected at different rates, makes no sense though because it must not be true. More like the way the enviorment it, its breezy enough? Idk lol

Just gonna try and get rid of it before moving them somewhere better maybe veg tent or somewhere better to keep a layer of security. Shit I should of just got the fans and see if that got me to harvest but the buds were probably going to rot so I only had one left and it was too late to train, well, right on the line but by that point I was just a crazy man with an axe.

Not knowing if its better than fighting it I mean I just got done seeing botritus but ya unless I sterilize the room adding fans and canopy structure is all I can try next. I should of faught it I just didnt know pm I never had it before but I learned botritus unless days from chop you got to toss the whole plant. PM isnt the same but will be spores and may of gottwn worse before I could get it under control.

I can deal with some spores but only so much before I dont even want it anymore. Is that a thing? Is there a threshold that one could confidently consume something that had a super small outbreak? I was far from chop so I wouldnt of wanted it but if it was handled and didnt come back up I could of done it.

Cuttings have a way better chance of outgrowing any infections, once you get the climate under control. So, it might be worth saving good mother stock. I personally don't like using more chemicals or sprays as IPM, but clones can also outgrow some of those systemic anti PM additive products, so it might also be worth treating the mother plants you intend to try saving. Probably best to re-clone them.

Just adding a bunch of fans or even filtered fan units won't do much once you already have advanced stages of PM outbreak. It will just blow it around even more, and the mildew mycelium is already integrated into the leaves by the time you see spots anyway. Prevention is key. Trying to save infected flowering plants will still end up with trace amounts of PM in your products via tests, even if you take care of the mildew problems before harvest. So yeah, its usually not worth saving at that point.

I cut off all infected leafs and thought hell its loaded with spores and cloning will just bring favorable condition. Also harder to save a freshly rooted clone than a full grown plant thats vegging hard enough to grow all new leafs with less or no spores.

Im not sure I follow, I thought pm isnt systemic unless you mean the chemicals in ipm sprays are to some degree. So cutting out infected areas and preventing the rest from germinating was just as good rather its a mom or flower plant? I thought that was the idea of trying again with fans unless you meant a whole new run with no infection from using fans was the next approach?

If to start up with just minimal cleaning and fams with filters in and out the tent.. Otherwise I could remove carpet and install minisplit so its cleaner and sealed off better but they need fresh co2. Hell Im tossing between everythings gonna be alright or its not. Just watched a vid of grassinclass said pm is the easiest to get rid of he found.

On another note you think its better to pop beans each time of same strain than running a mom? I dont really have to I suppose if it will make things easier. I just thought my original ways were salvagable if the moms are still good as its cheaper amd more reliable. I might just experiment and try to start up with a couple clones asap.

I read that wrong my bad hell just pm shenanigans. Good I thought I overreacted when I tossed them and I did see what happens if you fight bud rot, you cant, unless days from chop it just keeps popping up it can travel through the plant which was new to me, thats systemic.

I forget I need a new pot setup too but if I figure that out soon enough and the moms continue to stay clean. Il grow a couple clones maybe just one.

Shit I was turnin n burnin for a minute there its addictive its hard not to get back in. As far as youve said though I could without the carpet getting torn out just add the fans and filters and clean up best I can.

Whats your take on it possibly being too dry for them possibly causing PM too? Only if humidity is vpd checked?

Ya, I meant the the IPM products\sprays that eventually build up in the plant tissues the more you use it. If you were treating only the mother plants though, the small cuttings you take would outgrow whatever systemic fungicides you used as they veg out.

Like you said, putting the cuttings in a moist environment to root out is also the right conditions for the PM and mold spores, so treating the infected mothers with the fungicides might be a worthwhile extra line of defense.

Thats another reason I'm a fan of air layering propagation, because you can keep the host plant dry the whole time the clones are rooting out. No domes or anything needed, just keep them in veg mode with fans (or better yet, BFFUs!) blasting it as usual. The AL'd clones won't wilt no where nearly as easily as cuttings would, because they can still wick moisture up through the branch.. You CAN clone in dry conditions inhospitable for pm or mold spores this way.

Also, you can take huge clone\s off your mother plants via AL, so your not wasting as much when you toss her out to replace with a new one. Basically take the biggest branch, or upwards of 50% of the plant at once if you want. Like cutting her in half, so you can toss the old medium that might be harboring even more spores or gnats and whatnot.

As far as white PM not being systemic.. I heard there are at least 4-5 or so out of the 1000's of strains that for sure can infect cannabis. No one ever really talks about that part. I wouldn't be surprised if there is a fungicide resistant borg like strain (kinda like 2 spotted spidermites), that does go dormant and somehow hides out in the plant meristem tissues, and waits for generations before reactivating. All I know is that its in the air everywhere, and can spread via infected cuttings/tools/etc. Thats systemic enough for me.. Man, have you seen the microscopic zoomed in pics of affected cannabis leaves from that one study?!

I also wouldn't be surprised if you could blast your way out of the current situation just by adding some BFFUs to whatever you still have growing in your tents, without messing with the carpets or changing or spraying anything else. Not the flowering plants though..

I know I won't grow weed without them again. Heck with regular or oscilatting fans.

So if I get the bffu in every tent and outside of it and it gets pm still when I flip to flower what would the next approach be, tearing carbet and double down on cleaning? I do see people hi t that pm is awful the way it just keeps coming back but others arent affraid and say its the easy to get rid of.

I have two clones eager to flip that I can try it out but I was thinking toss those and flip the younger clones much sooner to make a smaller more managable plant. Then again my plants werent too bad aside from too thick of colas, need to dilute the growth and make them small and well spaced on the branch. By topping or lst etc.