MMPR Grow op: Small Scale

Check this out, interesting service.

http://thcbank.ca

cheers Itsme.

they are doing their best to plug up the giant flaws in the new system.....before deadline.....
I bet this service is costly too.....just another barrier for patients...

I actually wasnt thinking of doing all at once, I just had a plan for
50 strains I started before I heard about MMPR. I was thinking of a small space with maybe 4-5 contained grow spaces within and a desk and filing area. 40 by 30 would be enough 5,000 watt. Just for basic research long term I dont think there is any rush to produce ample strain in the first year. However there is a rush to create Canadian brand medical marijuana for the world so we can capitalize and compete with say....bedrolite lol

I agree Budgetguy. I really hope the patients who opt to use LPs make Canadian grown MJ their first priority.

We are hopeful that we can carry several strains, but like you, I predict the first year or so will involve a fair bit of research into what strains to use. I'm hoping to carry some strains that we always keep around so patients can get a reliable supply of a strain they are familiar with. Then have some other strains that are on a rotation, always adding new varieties. I know that for my own purposes, variety is almost as important as strain.

Good luck Budgetguy. Looking forward to hearing more as things progress for you.

itsmehigh said:

Check this out, interesting service.

http://thcbank.ca

cheers Itsme.

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The governments plan to grab control of the seed supply....just like tobacco.

I'll manage my own genetics thx.

Hey everyone.
Just spent the evening catching up on all 79 pages...
Ya I didn't get much sleep... But what else is there to do when you have the flu and cant sleep

I've been working towards completing an application (mind you a bit slower then I'd like)

Been in the industry for years on Vancouver Island, have helped to setup quite a few people under the current system, and looking forward to trying to make my love for the industry into something that gives me and my patients something to smile about at the end of the day.

Any others here on the lower island already send in their applications?
Get their license here on the island?
Source out somewhere not cost prohibitive to do the required testing 3rd party? Or if in house be willing to offer testing for other LP's in the area?

Thanks to everyone who have posted, the yea and nay sayers.
You all have our attention, and keep us optimists from floating away

Welcome Sideroadslayer, your number 77 on our list of wannabes. Tough road ahead. We just phoned HC and are waiting for a response. The woman we talked to was even reverting back to MMAR stuff, very weird.
I have windows 8 which I hate and so I patched it to be normal, and whenever I go somewhere new it reverts back to mama, Windows 8. She was like that, at least 10 general questions we fired at her, not a stitch of new info, nothing. Just like the HC email cut and pasters, I would hate her job. We just listened to her drone on about what we all already knew. She went as far as to tell us that the MMAR was ending March 31, who knew?

Kootenaygirl said:

Welcome Sideroadslayer, your number 77 on our list of wannabes. Tough road ahead. We just phoned HC and are waiting for a response. The woman we talked to was even reverting back to MMAR stuff, very weird.
I have windows 8 which I hate and so I patched it to be normal, and whenever I go somewhere new it reverts back to mama, Windows 8. She was like that, at least 10 general questions we fired at her, not a stitch of new info, nothing. Just like the HC email cut and pasters, I would hate her job. We just listened to her drone on about what we all already knew. She went as far as to tell us that the MMAR was ending March 31, who knew?

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Ya thats kinda what I'm hearing around these parts too.
Without the ability of local law enforcement, because of privacy laws to know where all the mmar grows are. I think it gives us all a bit more time, and the April 1st start date is now not as big of a deal. (except of course for ones like me and yourself which are looking to, or already have applied for the mmpr program on the same property as we have on the mmar application)

Because of us having to send them a letter saying "Hey you, look what I wanna do"

The one thing I do find semi concerning is I have yet to hear personally of any "little guy" being granted a license.

Time will tell I suppose

It is happening, just under wraps. Like me, many don't want an empty website or one full of crap either, it takes time for growers and their rooms to sync properly.

How many square? What are your QA, QAP, and QAPLR plans so far? Does your facility need much for up grades, other than security?

So far, 5000 sqft is the smallest that I know of with a "Ready to Build" or better from HC.

I am also coming to terms with D-day, slowly. Looked like we might make it for awhile there, did the ice storms hit Ottawa too? #$@%^*&$$

How do you plan on getting or keeping your strains? tick tock ....

It's been a tough day, pressure is building up.

All valid questions.
I have my main strain... but will be looking to bring 3 more into play (which we all know is super fun to do!) hahah

In all honesty everyone seems to be "rebranding" their strains so if you were to buy "legal" seeds from xxxx and then they somehow grew like your "favourite strain"... whos going to be able to call foul?

Plus as inept as HC seems... I doubt they will have anyone that can tell an indica dom strain from a sativa....


My Preliminary plans are built out at my maximum potential which puts me at 20,000 sq feet.

I have options to build here where I live or in another Island city with financial support in either one to help offset some of the start up.

So to answer your question it would be a new built to suite project that isn't looking for the April 1st deadline as I feel most people will be too pissed on April fools day to buy from anyone other then the Hells Angels at this point just to spite HC lol

I have been in talks with a local woman here that is a certified herbalist from an accredited institution of complimentary and integrated medicine to come on board as my QA.
I agree with your previous postings that you and me are in reality the best QA that anyone is going to get...
But I also like the idea of another valued opinion being part of the process and helping someone make a living doing what she loves at the same time.

So one thing I'm wondering and I've only read a few people mention is the idea of import export...

There are facilities that seem to be able to do all the schedule B testing up and down the West Coast of the United States as they have been doing it for dispensaries for next to nothing...
Mind you their sample sizes were only a 1 gram/$180 for testing retail. I don't imagine the 100 gram samples you would have to send would compound the testing 100x...

Wonder if you were able to get the import hurdle tackled if that would be an avenue to venture down?...

Just thinking aloud

Interesting thought. I think HC has set who can and who can't do the testing, maybe they need to apply with Canada.

Just watching Organigram in Atlantic Canada talking about being ready for Apr.1st.

Kootenaygirl I am impressed with your content and thoughtful but firm comments, just read the whole thing. Glad your staying positive as you wait. Well any thought I had of 3 months just went out the door. Yes I'm one of the chosen few so I guess that makes 78 the sound of Jaws plays and I'm crying, 4 to 9 months WTF thank you Steven.

Well there I said it I'm in and we should have the licence in end of the week. Don't know how many times I have said that. We have a small partnership and have the building we bought last summer. It's 40,000 sq. feet and all block construction. I'm using about 4,000 sq ft to start. Our security system cost for everything was $32,000, thumb readers are $1,000 each. Lots of good info here thank you everyone.

If anyone is seriously looking for a place to grow, I know where a current MMJ licensed grow on 4 acres with a 40,000 sq ft building with 150 thousand watters. The building is up the valley by Petawawa, it is currently running. $400,000 is the jumping off point, they will leave the equipment.

Please don't waste my time.

Jesus... I wish I lived in Ontario... lol
You couldnt buy 4 acres of forest here for $400k

Wonder if Kron is still looking for a place?

If this was going to be a bust why would people be putting so much money into it. Look at Tweed 20 million to blow, Bedocan has been doing this in the NL for 10 years, opened up shop in TO and import their meds for now. I have been designing gardens and operating them for 9 years so I know lots of people and they recommend me to people. I have worked with distributors , hydro shops, seed companies. That so far has me working with 4 companies who want to get there licences. But the great part is when ever we ask someone for help, they want in. I have helped connect some people and when they get by the snickering they see the money to be made. Not for the faint of heart but you don't need 400 clients to make money, well you may if they don't purchase enough. If we just use the low price out their now $6 a gr than if you had 100 clients that bought 3 g a day, average script, than that would generate $604,000 a year!!! Your cost are less than 25%, your mileage may very. So if your start up cost is $600,000 for a small operation with 2 rooms 20x25x10 with forty eight 1000's, over three years that's all paid back plus $200,000 profit each of those 3 years and your cost covered too. Sounds like a great business model to me. This is a simple example and on the low side, I don't want to start 100's applying as this is not for the faint of heart. By the way anyone we talk to has to sign an NDA, Nondisclosure Agreement to protect yourself.

So I was talking to some friends I have known for 45 years, and they wondered why I was so excited about the Med business? So when I got into the computer business back in the 80's I told them to buy Apple and Microsoft and guess what, only one of them did. Me and this is one of those times that comes around once in a life time, a non existent market to 1.3 BILLION in 10 years. This is that time and I only want .2% for me.

Good luck woods

Congrats, 78, thanks for your words. Goodluck.

woodsmaneh! said:

If this was going to be a bust why would people be putting so much money into it. Look at Tweed 20 million to blow, Bedocan has been doing this in the NL for 10 years, opened up shop in TO and import their meds for now. I have been designing gardens and operating them for 9 years so I know lots of people and they recommend me to people. I have worked with distributors , hydro shops, seed companies. That so far has me working with 4 companies who want to get there licences. But the great part is when ever we ask someone for help, they want in. I have helped connect some people and when they get by the snickering they see the money to be made. Not for the faint of heart but you don't need 400 clients to make money, well you may if they don't purchase enough. If we just use the low price out their now $6 a gr than if you had 100 clients that bought 3 g a day, average script, than that would generate $604,000 a year!!! Your cost are less than 25%, your mileage may very. So if your start up cost is $600,000 for a small operation with 2 rooms 20x25x10 with forty eight 1000's, over three years that's all paid back plus $200,000 profit each of those 3 years and your cost covered too. Sounds like a great business model to me. This is a simple example and on the low side, I don't want to start 100's applying as this is not for the faint of heart. By the way anyone we talk to has to sign an NDA, Nondisclosure Agreement to protect yourself.

So I was talking to some friends I have known for 45 years, and they wondered why I was so excited about the Med business? So when I got into the computer business back in the 80's I told them to buy Apple and Microsoft and guess what, only one of them did. Me and this is one of those times that comes around once in a life time, a non existent market to 1.3 BILLION in 10 years. This is that time and I only want .2% for me.

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And people still a have to get a doctor to sign on the dotted line and come up with $XXX to pay for it. 0-60? I don't think so!

Sideroadslayer said:

Jesus... I wish I lived in Ontario... lol
You couldnt buy 4 acres of forest here for $400k

Wonder if Kron is still looking for a place?

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That one sounds great, except that it is too far.

We may have secured a building now anyway, so time to start over. Setbacks suck, but if you aren't persistent this system will chew you up and spit you out.

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And people still a have to get a doctor to sign on the dotted line and come up with $XXX to pay for it. 0-60? I don't think so!

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Yes in Ontario you need a Dr to sign but that is a whole different issue of Education, and getting the Nursing act in Ontario changed. What most people don't understand is the cost to produce med mj is very low if done my way (don't want to start a war here on how to grow), I can go lower than 3$ a gram and still make money, so I can sell you 84 grams for $252 and still make good money. 84 grams is what the average script is a month. Now you can buy cheaper on the street but whats in it? As we get better at growing our cost will go down also. Remember Most LP want to be's grow now so were not talking Plant Products weed here, this is kick ass shit. One of my plants test out at 24.8% THC and 1.3% CBD and I have i more in the high end and one in the middle and one 1:1 CBD at 8.2%, serious stuff.