My First Grow - Tag Along Please

Do clones always look like they fall over? Must i cut them shorter? Or is it due to water shortage?

Maybe the light is to close. how many watts are you using for them?

2 x 23w cfl 6450k
1 x 20w cfl 3000k

The lights are 2inches away from the tops?

And is the falling over normal?

No bending is pretty normal, they are just weak now. Keep spritzing them with water and keep the dome on them. They will bounce back. One of my clones right now was bent over laying almost all the way down but has come back as one of my strongest and will prob end up being a mother for me.

Ok went there and cut the leaves and lower foilage off. Opened one of the rockwool cubes, no sighns of roots yet, they seem to stand up a little better without all the other leaves, maybe i should just be patient.

The mother is looking great coming back nicely, and the one plant that ran dry, the pot leaked. Is also catching up now. Some more pictures, also added a heat mat to the clones. Hoping for roots monday when i get back from weekens away! Never thaught i would grow such a beauty on my first grow! Proud of myself!

Looking good my man looking good.
That third pic is definitely your female pistils! Nice!
One thing about clones I had to learn….. patience. I had all but given up on 5 of my clones, they were looking rough. But looking at them today a full 9 days after cutting they have all rooted and seem to be coming back.

You can see they are looking poor but they got worse I just don't have pics. And no pics of the roots but they have all come throughout the bottom, so just have patience and give them nutes soon. Just like seedlings start low then build up to half. Stay at half until they root.

thank you for help and advice, i will report back with pictures on monday!

Some drastic changes, the clone story isint going so well opened one up no sighns of roots at all!



This is howbthe clones look now, its been 9 days since i took cuttings.

The mother plant and the other smaller plant i switched to 12/12 changed nutrients and started my hps, those fuckers shine!

Going to order clones from a friend, have to wait for next round to try clone again

Pictures of the grow box

You only have 2 that are gone gone, the ones that are brown at the base and all wilted at the top. The others look too wet, you don't want to drench them just a light spray, and the growing medium should stay near dry because that will rot the stem thats stuck into it.
Open what ever you have them in and let the clones get fresh air. Don't throw them out, they may surprise you.

Make sure the top of the plant isn't hot being close to the light like that, also make sure all leaves that fall off are picked up and the room is clean overall, dead foliage breads pests.

Those Mothers tho, lol looking good man.
I personally have 5 weeks left for my bloom, started seeing trichomes on the buds and barely on the leaves! Damn i have so much to do to get ready for my next go round.

Yeah im ordering new seeds today i rate im going to grow from seed now on since i cant get the clones to take

@butterbudface

first off, the key to proper cloning is PROPER LIGHTING (more on this in a sec), a PITCH BLACK root container, and a 50/50 mix of air and water, build up the cloner in my signature when its ready move on to the next step
clones should be cut with a sterile instrument at a 45 degree angle, use lower branches as they contain more of the auxins that can produce roots. Cuttings should be taken with at least 4-5 nodes including the top, they should be NO LESS THAN 5 inches for best results.
45 degree cut should be made ON a node, cutting the node in half. the branch membrane should be lightly "scraped" then the stalk should be slightly split with your sterile instrument (about an inch long split). Making a Y shape like this provides more surface area for potential roots to start forming. at this point if you're using a rooting hormone (powder or gel) its time to dip. Then into the cloner.
The cloners reservoir should be entirely light proof, foil tape works great! I will stop here for a moment to state that roots do not like light, if you choose not to light proof your results will be dramatically slowed (upwards of 21 days to root). Also, the importance of oxygenation is extraordinary , the water should be nearly foaming with the amount of extra oxygen being pumped through it. Your clone room should have miniscule amounts of light... a single 13 watt daylight/6500k fairly far away (12"-18" away) should be enough, after all we're not trying to grow any foliage. I feel like the benefits of "tipping" (cutting tips off of clone leaves) are small and should not be done with bubble cloners. Also there is no reason to mist foliage of rooting (bubble style cloner) clones.
Water temperature should never get higher than ambient air, there is no reason to heat the tub/reservoir it only promotes algae growth. Monitor PH and try to maintain only tap water with low ppm/tds count (particulates per million/ total dissolved solids), any fluctuations should/can be fixed by a weekly water change.
Under OPTIMAL conditions with my cheap cloner I have seen roots in 5-7 days 100% able to plant every clone every time. Grodan and rock-wool are a waste and a pain in the ass, once you get bubble a cloner going, you'll wonder why you ever used it...
BTW the drooping looks most likely to be overwatering caused by the rock-wool being enclosed and not being able to "breathe"....

I'm sorry I missed a bit, I forgot to sub in to your grow, but I am now. Feel free to ask any questions you may have, if I can't help I can point you in the direction of someone who can...

Good Luck!

OK, firstly i made my 45 degree cuts below the node, like 10mm below the node, then i overwatered the rockwool, aslo added nutes to spray water and the water in the rockwool

I'm building a bubble cloner now, wil use your advice, also the lights i have in there is about 100w together and they are less than 70mm away from the tops, will remove the other lights try build a humidity dome to fit over my bubble cloner.

running out of $ but will go to our local store and try make it as close to yours as possible.

can I take cuttings of my plant that is already in 12/12 for a day now?

and if I can will they be able to go back to veg or is there no going back?

should I start another mother plant first?

cut like this...

note the half node at the bottom of the 45 degree angle, also note the Y shape of the stalk after cutting.... also enclosed are pictures of 8 circa 1996 White Widow clones smashed up real close together about 36 hours into the bubble cloner now, note that they are not "droopy" only squeezed together very close, I imagine that in about 6-7 days I should have what I need!
don't use nutrients or foliar feed for clones, they get everything they need for the first couple weeks from the water
You don't need a humidity dome!
Yes you can take clones, they shouldn't have to re-veg. I have succesfully taken clones at 14 days into flower (not recommended).
If you have the room, start a mother, its not needed though.

It has been said that taking clones after flower nutes have started is the best way. You see the plants use Nitrogen to grow tall and leaves, the phosphorus and potassium is great for root production. I actually took my clones about 4 days into flower.
I'll be making a bubble cloner as well, just a bit larger.

nerf gun in the place where i live is expencive and you cannot buy the bullets loose, ill try get something similar, and i understand why the nerf gun bullets work so well.

will report back after 2ish with pictures of mothers and clones

Nugs1 said:

I'm with frozenchozen up there, they are hurting for nutes, gotta get that ppm meter I linked you and the ph meter or one similar. You simply can not do hydro with out those items it is a literal must, otherwise you have no idea whats going to the girl.
Oh and no definitely not normal. They should be a plush deep green
Hey Frozen I might be wrong but I'm throwing you a big Oorah! If you don't know what I'm talking about then disregard otherwise you got it.

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Nugs1 said:

Hey Butter, umm yeah and no to your question.
How fast and tall and or bushy they get is really dependent on their genetics.
The Ph and PPM/Ec is to make sure that they don't get nute burn or any other issues that is easily preventable.
Also growth rate depends on nutes, but from the way she's looking she will start to take off.
You really need a ppm meter and a PH meter when growing hydro and they are reasonably cheap on amazon….

http://www.amazon.com/HM-Digital-TDS-EZ-Measurement-Resolution/dp/B002C0A7ZY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404453349&sr=8-1&keywords=ppm meter

http://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-PH-009-Quality-Digital-Pocket/dp/B00CH3QZSE/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1404453376&sr=8-3&keywords=PH meter

These are the two I have, daily cheap and do a good job, calibrate the ph meter per instructions that come with it.
I also bought a ppm solution to test the accuracy of the factory calibration for the ppm meter. I found that the two (same thing) that I have are about 110 to 150 too high. No big deal I just take that away from what my reading in the reservoir is..


Other than that your root are nice an white and looking good but your tap water is likely to high ph and if it gets too bad it can severely injure your plant if not kill it.
Also she's a bit yellow prob need more nutes but you can't tell till you get the ppm meter, she should be a medium to light green and getting deeper green everyday

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Walmart has a ppm meter for cheap in the RV supplies deparment work fine for me

Clones died, but the other 2 mothers looks nice!1 week since 12/12. Sorry didnt want to cut the light. But zoom in its nice.

Sorry to hear about the clones, looking good though.