Newbie with a Rough Situation but a Hopeful Plan. Please Help!

Robweed · Mar 11, 2011

the doors are facing the wall because its a mock dresser. the front of it looks like an antique liqiuar cabinet. but i havent added the false drawers yet.

the doors are flush with the back panel so you would have no idea its a grow box unless you turned it around.

i cant find those fans anywhere. i found the 80- 180 dollar ones, but the search doesn't bring up the cheaper ones you're talking about. could you maybe link me?

MrDank007 · Mar 11, 2011

http://www.amazon.com/Massey-Inch-High-Velocity-Desk/dp/B001TE1Q4A

Something like this. A small desk fan. Although $25 is absurd. You should be able to find something like this for $5-$10 at Target or Walmart. Fans are seasonal, but they should be getting them in stock. I wouldn't look at hydro stores for something like this. You don't need a hurricane, just something to blow on the lights, give your tops a little jiggle.

MrDank007 · Mar 11, 2011

I wish I had some better pics of my old CFL set up. You can kind of see what I am trying to do with these fans.

Robweed · Mar 11, 2011

ah i see. ok cool.

well its the intake and outtake air flow that i just need to figure out. hopefully that will naturally fix my temps and then all is well!

hopefully hopefully.

MrDank007 · Mar 11, 2011

I assume your are running your PC fans on an adapter. Check the amps of the adapter and you can probably wire more to it. PC fans are cheap, but as you can see all the little things start adding up.

Robweed · Mar 12, 2011

yeah i ordered some pc fans yesterday. im going to put them in the doors of the box so i dont have to build light traps because the doors will be up against the wall. ill just have to do a dry run to make sure its not too hot.

do you know where i should look for a timer that can run something for a half hour every two and a half hours? where would i get something like that?

MrDank007 · Mar 13, 2011

I assume you are talking about a timer for your ozone. Home Depot, lowes, target, walmart, ect. One of the push button mechanical timers would probably be best for that.

Robweed · Mar 13, 2011

ah ok. i just ordered some. pretty sure the ones i got will do the trick. do you know if bettergrow hydro ships descreetly? cuz hydro boxes at my apartments office probably dont look good.

and as far as nutes go, when should i start them? should i do one more flush?

what should the concentration be when i go into flowering?

MrDank007 · Mar 13, 2011

I have no idea about that company. Unless you live in a remote area, I would just go buy at one of the stores I mentioned.

As far as you nutes/plant problems: I would really try to get a post going in the plant problems section and catch the attention of some good growers. You will do this by posting at time like now, when people are in high concentration online. If you post at 2am for example, you won't get much traffic and your thread will get bumped down the list where noone will see it. Also, giving a fully detailed description of the problem/history will help. If you do the "WTF is this, HELP!" thing and force everyone to ask a lot of unneccesary questions you are not going to attact a lot of help or the real "talent".

I can give you some suggestions, but as I have said, I'm no expert. I don't want to overstep or take responsibilty for steering you in the wrong direction. That being said, I can say the following:

1) If you are going to grow in FFOF, you might as well get their nute line up (grow big, big bloom and tiger bloom). It might cost you a little, but if you are planning on continuing to grow and use FFOF, it will get used and you will want to have all of them for when you need them. If you're serious, invest now...half assing as you have probably figured out is a waste of time and money.

2) Because you are not pHing, we aren't going to know if your soil is cleared up or a lot of unanswered questions. So another distilled water when your soil dries out would probably be the conservative thing to do. This is something I would get additional feedback on as I'm sure someone else would say otherwise.

3) If you do #2 you will not be feeding and washing nutrients out of the soil ...deficiencies may occur. This is why i told you to post pics of the plants every other day or so to see what is going on. I also suggested getting a water mister because if something does go deficient doing a folliar feed may slow this down until your soil is remedied and ready to undergo a normal feeding schedule again.

4) To answer your question, flowering nutes are lower in N, higher in P. There's a lot of reading about what your plants need, but I will leave that up to you to find Guru's threads as my explanation will be shit comparitively speaking and I'm just plain not qualified to give it.

Some general things just in case:

1) Most people only water every 3 days or until the top 2 in of the pot is dry. Your schedule can change as the plants grow. Right now, I am averaging watering every 5 days. And when you water, you don't want throw a cup in. Water until you get some decent runoff through the holes in the bottom of the pots. I usually have to wait a bit to put them back in the box cause they are still leaking.

2)Assuming you can get back on track. Look at the nute schedule on your nutes. Do not add every day and start off using less than the reccomended dose on the bottle. Example: With fox farms if you are flower, you would use tiger bloom every other time you water. And prob big bloom in between. That can change, a lot is up to you and how the plants are doing ect.

Robweed · Mar 13, 2011

well i dont really want to get their nute line up because i got a fogger and ill be switching to a one pot hydro set up after this grow is done.

i have a journal that i will set up with NewGrowth following it to help me out along the way. but i do want and need to finish this plant.

i flushed it again today and hopefully ill be getting a PH meter. do you suggest any? i just havent been able to get out to go grab one. I trimmed all the dead leaves and shes looking pretty good. shes got some new nodes popping but there lime green. from what ive read it seems shes either got N deficiency or its just the same PH problem.

I do have a mister and ive been spraying her during lights off so she doesnt get burns from the lights. the water is distilled and has a small amount of B1 suppliment to help her out.

im not sure where to go from here. . . i through my clones out because they died but ill be clipping again for those soon. im going to use a different method this time. a kind of hydroponic method.

after finding out my PH, and when it comes time to use nutes, do i make a mix with a gallon of distilled and use that as my watering can (so to speak) ?

http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/supplements/bloom-boosters/ginormous/

thats the shit i got for nutes. . .

MrDank007 · Mar 13, 2011

Robweed said:
Robweed said:

well i dont really want to get their nute line up because i got a fogger and ill be switching to a one pot hydro set up after this grow is done. i have a journal that i will set up with NewGrowth following it to help me out along the way. but i do want and need to finish this plant.

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Personally, I would do a few soil grows first. Hydro is going to be more complicated. Kind of a learn to walk before you run philosophy...you're already having problems.

i flushed it again today and hopefully ill be getting a PH meter. do you suggest any? i just havent been able to get out to go grab one. I trimmed all the dead leaves and shes looking pretty good. shes got some new nodes popping but there lime green. from what ive read it seems shes either got N deficiency or its just the same PH problem. I do have a mister and ive been spraying her during lights off so she doesnt get burns from the lights. the water is distilled and has a small amount of B1 suppliment to help her out.

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ARGHH! Let that bitch dry out! Fuck that B1...get the basics down. Trimming the dead leaves doesn't mean your plant is fixed. In fact, you should probably let them fall off on their own.

im not sure where to go from here. . . i through my clones out because they died but ill be clipping again for those soon. im going to use a different method this time. a kind of hydroponic method.

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Walk before run...you are growing 1 plant. What are you going to do with these clones?

after finding out my PH, and when it comes time to use nutes, do i make a mix with a gallon of distilled and use that as my watering can (so to speak) ?

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Pretty much. Use distilled for now...add nutes in, mix, water.

http://www.humboldtnutrients.com/supplements/bloom-boosters/ginormous/

thats the shit i got for nutes. .

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This has no N and a lot of P and K. It is a flower nute...not the best for veg.

Robweed · Mar 13, 2011

oh well i was only planning on vegging for a week more. do i need veg nutes if im going to do that?

i thought you said misting was ok? do you mean let it dry it meaning completely dry? or let it dry out of all vitamins and nutes?!?!?

well i was cloning so i dont have to keep using seeds. i was going to clone before i flower so i can keep up a purpetrual grow. with this hydro method, they take root easier so then ill put them in soil if that is the direction i decide to keep going.

https://www.rollitup.org/do-yourself/388966-diy-practice-cloner.html

I didnt mean shes fixed cuz i trimmed them, im just saying she doesnt look as dead as before.

how much longer should i keep her vegging? and should i use veg nutes on her and if so, when?

MrDank007 · Mar 13, 2011

Robweed said:
Robweed said:

oh well i was only planning on vegging for a week more. do i need veg nutes if im going to do that

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It depends on what your plant needs, but possibly.

i thought you said misting was ok? do you mean let it dry it meaning completely dry? or let it dry out of all vitamins and nutes?!?!?

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I said you MAY need to folliar feed in your case. Otherwise you don't need to mist. Doing this on a regular basis with the lights off is a great way to get mold. You sure as hell don't want to mist your plants when they begin to flower. Let the pot dry out..2 in finger test.

well i was cloning so i dont have to keep using seeds. i was going to clone before i flower so i can keep up a purpetrual grow. with this hydro method, they take root easier so then ill put them in soil if that is the direction i decide to keep going.

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Again, get a grow or two down before you start trying to go perpetual. I feel like you're reading about this stuff, which is good but getting ahead of yourself at the same time instead of staying focused on getting the plant to harvest on a first grow. Furthermore, do you have additional set ups I am unaware of? Where are you going to veg the clones when your plant is in flower? I thought you lived in a small apt.

I didnt mean shes fixed cuz i trimmed them, im just saying she doesnt look as dead as before.

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Well of course. Question is if the problem will continue to affect your plant. I don't know how dead they were, but they would have been good to keep to see if they got worse.

how much longer should i keep her vegging? and should i use veg nutes on her and if so, when?

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I don't think it will have to be that long...but it really depends on the plant. You don't want to be start flower in the middle of a mess. Give it a week or so to straigten out. As far as what your plant needs....that is where the pics and expert help come into play. There is not a blanket statement answer...that's not how it works. Every scenario is different, which makes this pain in the ass hobby so fun!

Robweed · Mar 13, 2011

Yeah I just figured I'd kill two birds with one stone and clone so I'm not wasting seeds. I only have three left.

Yeah I have two grow areas. I'll take a shit ton of pics for you tonight. I have a vegging trash bin for the clone. I've got my girl in there now. Temps steady at 82-89.

Then when flower times come, I've got the cabinet that I showed you. Like I said, I'll take a ton of pics and post tonight.

I haven't been folier feeding yet. So that's good.

As far as the clipping goes, I only cut the super super dead ones.

I also did another flush today. I dunno if I said that.

Pics in a few hours!!

MrDank007 · Mar 13, 2011

Gotcha. Your gonna get into overwatering if you are not carefull. IMO you should give up the misting unless a folliar feed is needed.

I'm not a cloner, but most of the guys who do it have a big "mother" they take clones off of. For a plant in a short veg period under CFLs, you don't want to be cutting a lot of branches off. I'm not saying don't take one...I'm say 3 or 4 may be too much. You're gonna want those bud sites.

Oh ...Don't put anything else into the pot until it is dry unless it is an emergency!

Robweed · Mar 14, 2011

yeah I haven't done the foiliar feed yet so that's good. i just have it ready and have been using it on my peppers, bell peppers and red peppers. which are a bitch to grow by the way.

yea i thought about the big mother thing, but i think it just sounds easier to clip for clones a week or two before flowering, and since i only need one clone, ill clip two. that wouldn't be too much would it?

ok here is my set up, the vegging trash can houses one 80mm intake fan and a 6inch ducting output fan, 4, 26 watt (100 equalivilent) CFL daylight bulbs. ive got the lights on the lid and boxes to hold my girl up to the lights so shes closer. temp hasnt gone higher then 90 max and that is with the closet door shut for several hours.

the stealth box will be finished soon, i had to order some more things to help with the completion. ive also thought about putting it up on some legs. like three inch legs on each corner and having the fans in the bottom of the box instead of the back doors. what do you think? i think thats a wayyyyyy better idea then having them in the back.

but the box will have some sort of intake fan. 120mm pc fan to be exact, ill throw some desk fans in there too. then two pc fans going into the side where the ozn 1 is housed. the top of the ozone gen (the part with the fan grate) has an intake fan where it will suck hot stinky air in. and in the bottom of the ozone gen is a hole where it spits the cleaned air out. i will cut about a one inch to an inch and a half hole in the side of the box right where this output of ozoned air is.

MrDank007 · Mar 14, 2011

Robweed said:
Robweed said:

yeah I haven't done the foiliar feed yet so that's good. i just have it ready and have been using it on my peppers, bell peppers and red peppers. which are a bitch to grow by the way.

yea i thought about the big mother thing, but i think it just sounds easier to clip for clones a week or two before flowering, and since i only need one clone, ill clip two. that wouldn't be too much would it?

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It really depends on where you are taking them from....just make sure it's not a cola!

ok here is my set up, the vegging trash can houses one 80mm intake fan and a 6inch ducting output fan, 4, 26 watt (100 equalivilent) CFL daylight bulbs. ive got the lights on the lid and boxes to hold my girl up to the lights so shes closer. temp hasnt gone higher then 90 max and that is with the closet door shut for several hours.

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We need to beat those temps down. What do you keep the AC at in your place BTW?

the stealth box will be finished soon, i had to order some more things to help with the completion. ive also thought about putting it up on some legs. like three inch legs on each corner and having the fans in the bottom of the box instead of the back doors. what do you think? i think thats a wayyyyyy better idea then having them in the back.

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This can work. Just make sure you pot isn't over them and the fans are not impeded. Also, dust isn't a killer, but you may want to watch it if you are coming in right off the floor.

but the box will have some sort of intake fan. 120mm pc fan to be exact, ill throw some desk fans in there too. then two pc fans going into the side where the ozn 1 is housed. the top of the ozone gen (the part with the fan grate) has an intake fan where it will suck hot stinky air in. and in the bottom of the ozone gen is a hole where it spits the cleaned air out. i will cut about a one inch to an inch and a half hole in the side of the box right where this output of ozoned air is.

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Tough for me to visualize, but you want to exhaust up high so you are not recylcing hot air right back into the intake. Then again you want the exhaust from the box going over the ozone's intake.

BTW, it's probably time to have a look at that plant. I'm a little worried about the nutes you have on hand. I have a sneaking suspicion that even though your plants didn't look to be N deficient, they will end up that way. The FF soil will run out particularly after a flush and your bloom nutes have none. At some point your leaves will go yellow and you don't really want to dump a lot of that stuff on late in flower.

Robweed · Mar 14, 2011

I was going to post a bunch of pics last night but it wasn't working. But i got it working today!

yeah i would be taking them from branches. when i take clones do i want to slice a 45 degree angle right below a node?

yeah, ill deff be watching for dust!! but i keep my place super clean so it won't be that big of a problem.

Robweed · Mar 14, 2011

anyone with any thoughts to the set up?

if it will work? if its stealthy enough?

i want to do a simple bucket hydro set up using these. just one plant to a 2-5 gallon bucket.

legalizeitcanada · Mar 14, 2011

you know that could really make a good stealth grow... you can silicone the inside to seal it better, I would take the drawer fronts off the the drawers and permanently affix them in place and again seal with caulking, then I could cut a door on the side that faces the wall.....mylar the inside, and you have a pretty good space there, you can also cut your holes on the door side or back for your ventilation....a 150 hps would be pretty good in there and you would get pretty decent plants for the space, i bet you could fit the three you want....but if you got the loot, grab a tent

Robweed said:
ok so i can take the backs and bottoms out of all the drawers in here and hang a light, cover the inside in mylar, and put the plants on the floor in a little topless bin/tray

or i can buy a grow tent preferably no more then two and a half feet high and three feet wide.

which do you think is safest for me in my situation?

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