Obama’s Blocking Of New Power Plants Triggers Nationwide Blackouts

Ghandi was racist pig, Aristotle was pervert, and Martin Luther King Jr. was an angry drunk.

Slojo69 said:

Lol, again, I've read everything you've posted and I've understood everything you said and again, it doesn't make you any less a dick. We can use big words if that's what you wish, but you apparently fail to understand points being made. Regardless of the words chosen, the point remains that someone is just giving there view and instead of saying "hey man that's not exactly right, check this article out in such and such" you just jump to ... NO NO NO! Thats wrong .. speculation, speculation!


Lol seriously? I wasn't saying WHO ARE YOU TO BLAH BLAH BLAH, in the way you're making it out to be. I mean jesus, we are throwing philosophy into this now. Ok then, but you have proven my point. If Masterphonic established himself as someone who knew anything, like einstien for example, then i wouldn't have a leg to stand on, nor would i even TRY to stand on it. A persons opinion without evidence is just that, an opinion. Big P showed what he read, gave his views on it and was basically told he's a retard for believing such nonsense.

After all is said and done, it boils down to this, Big P presented this article he read over here .... Master has presented ... his opinion on it.

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So wait, you're just upset because I have a differing opinion than the author of that article?

My opinion was simply that the article he posted was just that; opinion. It's not fact. Your ridiculous ad hominem arguments really have no merit and aren't adding to this discussion in any way.

Masterphonic said:

So wait, you're just upset because I have a differing opinion than the author of that article?

My opinion was simply that the article he posted was just that; opinion. It's not fact. Your ridiculous ad hominem arguments really have no merit and aren't adding to this discussion in any way.

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Oh my jesus! That is EXACTLY my point, how do you know it is opinion, we just have to trust that you know what you are talking about? Yes, the article Big P posted could be wrong. The only way to find this out is to research the article he posted or the entire subject he posted about, which is something you have obviously done since you know so much about this subject to say it's all speculation ... How is this so hard to understand?

EDIT: And again, big words not needed. The average person on the street or on these forums are not going to know what ad hominem arguments mean. You could have easily said "your insulting arguments" or "Your personal attacks on me really have no merit" etc etc. You're trying to act all smart n shit and its just making you look like a douche ... and yes for argument's sake, I'm asking you to dumb it down.

Your whole argument is one giant logical fallacy.

Masterphonic said:

Your whole argument is one giant logical fallacy.

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In what way.

StonedPony said:

Well one thing is fact. If we as Humans dont pull together and really work at it.....we are fucked and Mother Nature will march on without us. But that is a monumental task I dont see happening....just my 2 cents...

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I think that humanity has shown that time and again, when pushed, we push back.

We find treatments for disease, like penicillin.
We send people to the moon in just a few years.
We split the atom and harness the energy within.

Monumental feats. We need this I think. A wake up call.

Ask yourself this:

There are two kinds of sufferers in this world: those who suffer from a lack of life and those who suffer from an overabundance of life.I've always found myself in the second category.When you come to think of it,almost all human behavior and activity is not essentially any different from animal behavior. The most advanced technologies and craftsmanship bring us, at best, up to the super-chimpanzee level.Actually, the gap between,say, Plato or Nietzsche and the average humanis greater than the gap between that chimpanzee and the average human. The realm of the real spirit, the true artist, the saint, the philosopher, is rarely achieved.
Why so few?
Why is world history and evolution not stories of progress but rather this endless and futile addition of zeros? No greater values have developed. Hell, the Greeks years ago were just as advanced as we are. So what are these barriers that keep people from reaching anywhere near their real potential?
The answer to that can be found in another question, and that's this:
Which is the most universal human characteristic--fear... or laziness?

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It was greed, apathy, and sheer comfortability that led us to the current state of our infrastructure. Politicians who know nothing about science and art cutting funding. Business people who understand nothing about the environment or sustainability destroying the ecosystem while maintaining an unsustainable business model. Rather than reach for the best we have settled for what we have. Burning coal.

Where is our 21st century Tesla??? All the energy we need is around us, it is the ether, the air, like lighting in the sky. The problem isn't a lack of power plants. The problem is in generation and transmission, and the lacking presence of the visionary that will carry us into a future of free energy.

Think about that. Imagine the work, the economy, the jobs... When energy is free (to a limit) and all things become possible. There is a brave new world waiting for us... And in that future I don't see more smoke stacks. I see innovation. I see promise. I do not see Obama as the problem in any shape or form.

It is people like Rand Paul from Kentucky who would slash Federal funding of the Center for Disease control and the national Science Foundation. As though having 1/5 of graduating seniors being proficient in the basic sciences wasn't bad enough. Imagine where our country will be in comparison to Korea and China if we continue to spend so little on the technology that took us to where we are now.

Masterphonic said:

Your whole argument is one giant logical fallacy.

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Lol, just wow, ok man. There is literally no argument here, I'm saying prove it, you are throwing big words around. It's like you're coming into and argument saying "You're wrong" and walking off ... you leave everyone confused and wondering ... maybe that was your goal but I'm calling shenanigans!

EDIT: Well maybe not coming into an argument, more like a conversation ... or in this case a thread. I don't think anyone was arguing his postings until you blurted out "speculation!"

Snow Crash said:

Where is our 21st century Tesla???

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I concur on this one. But we just finished our first decade, and we've done some pretty "Cool" shit. Now we just need the practical shit.

The Cryptkeeper said:

Ghandi was racist pig, Aristotle was pervert, and Martin Luther King Jr. was an angry drunk.

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And Einstein married his cousin.
Jefferson owned slaves (and smoked cannabis).

Yet these people have changed how we live our lives. I think you totally get it. Personal faults do not trump the fantastic achievements of these peoples lives. Even Newton got a few things wrong... But I'd still listen to the guy with a fervent desire to learn everything he had to say if I could.

Prove what? That the article was clearly biased? Isn't it glaringly obvious to you?

If you had read what I wrote in regards to that article you'd realize that all I said was to take in facts and make your own decisions, rather than relying on personal opinion and political propaganda to form your opinions.

The only time I said someone was explicitly wrong was when they linked sunspot activity to dispel climate change. There is no proof that sunspot activity has any relationship whatsoever to climate change. That is speculation. This cannot be challenged. The burden of proof is on you to prove that it isn't.

Snow Crash said:

And Einstein married his cousin.
Jefferson owned slaves (and smoked cannabis).

Yet these people have changed how we live our lives. I think you totally get it. Personal faults do not trump the fantastic achievements of these peoples lives. Even Newton got a few things wrong... But I'd still listen to the guy with a fervent desire to learn everything he had to say if I could.

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Amen to that. +rep

Masterphonic said:

Prove what? That the article was clearly biased? Isn't it glaringly obvious to you?

If you had read what I wrote in regards to that article you'd realize that all I said was to take in facts and make your own decisions, rather than relying on personal opinion and political propaganda to form your opinions.

The only time I said someone was explicitly wrong was when they linked sunspot activity to dispel climate change. There is no proof that sunspot activity has any relationship whatsoever to climate change. That is speculation. This cannot be challenged. The burden of proof is on you to prove that it isn't.

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Take in facts of what? From where? This article says Blackouts occured due to the fact the Obama has done blah blah blah, whatever. Blame this guy, blame that guy, whatever. The thread then shifted to global warming ( I dont know how but it did ) and he gave listed what he read about climate shifts, sunspots etc etc. Wrong? maybe. But the point I've been trying to make to you .... *deep breath* ( I can't believe im typing this again) Is that you can't come in here and just say eff that, they are biased, you're speculating. The article may be misleading, but if you think that is true then prove em wrong, find an article that disputes it. It's not our job to prove you right, when has that been the way of things? If you think this is BS then fine, post something to disprove the facts in that article.

This is like a scientist arguing with a bible thumper. "Look science has proved the earth is this old, this has happened this way, these guys lived in this time" .... "Nope i don't believe you" .... "Why not?" ... "Cuz God said so" ... lol

EDIT: Sorry for delayed response ... had to poop

What the hell happened to my first post that started this whole debacle?

Big P said:

yea theres a great deal of evidence that all this warming up until 2000 and the cooling been happening since 2000 is realy all caused by sunspot activity, the sun goes through repeated cycles of a lot of sunspot activity and then very little sun spot activity.

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that is why 2010 was one of the hottest on records despite solar irradiance being at a record minimum...

just google "2010 hottest on record despite low in solar irradiance" and then shove that foot in your mouth

Big P said:

now the sunspot activity is waning and its predicted there will be a mini ice age in europe that has happen before because of these cycles. last time Europe had a mini ice age was around the 1600's if i remeber correctly.

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you don't remember correctly. solar irradiance works in much shorter cycles. strike two

Big P said:

and there was a huge sacandel where all the top scientist were caught lieing and falsifing evidince that the warming was man made. and now they are trying to say the cooling is caused by man too lol

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you fail to mention that those scientists were exonerated, meaning they did absolutely nothing wrong and their data was accurate.

for some reason, that got reported in the news WAY less than the original (false) scandal. must be that damn liberal media

strike three for you.

newatit2010 said:

The way I see it, if man burns all the coal in the world uses all the oil from the earth and destroies all the water ways he will destroy himself. And mother nature will repair her self and say fuck humans.

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exactly.

earth will always bounce back, humans not so much.

I love Uncle Buck!!!! what is the smilie for sloppy wet kisses? LOL

That's a toughie. I like this one though.

Big P said:

global warming is pure propeganda mostly, the earth is cooling since 2000

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_temperature_record

Each of the last 13 years (1997–2009) was one of the 14 warmest on record.

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Big P said:

we have actuall emails from scientists talking about how the global warming stopped and how they were covering it up. the earth has been cooling since 2000


all the experts were wrong and trying to cover it up.

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they were exonerated. they did nothing wrong. this has been in the news.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Environmen...rated-in-climategate-but-public-trust-damaged

Big P said:

the earth has been cooling for the past ten years, how do you explain that? its proven fact that its cooling,

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how is it cooling if 2010 was the hottest year on record? how is it cooling if last decade was the hottest decade on record?

answer: it is not, you are lying, or stupid, or both.

Big P said:

sunspot activity is to blame, but the scientists did not see that and were blaming it on pollution but the cooling and heating is all from sun cycles. look it up education yourselves

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how about this...i'll look it up. we all know that last year was the hottest on record, so let's see what they have to say about sunspot activity (solar irradiance)

http://climateprogress.org/2010/07/10/nasa-hottest-year-solar-minimum/

Following fast on the heels of the hottest Jan-May — and spring — in the temperature record, it’s also the hottest Jan-June on record in the NASA dataset [click on figure to enlarge].
It’s all the more powerful evidence of human-caused warming “because it occurs when the recent minimum of solar irradiance is having its maximum cooling effect,” as a recent must-read NASA paper notes.

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man, you are really bad at this

Masterphonic said:

So much ignorance in this thread.

The idea that sunspot activity is linked to climate change is mere speculation. It's funny to see someone so sure of their ideas, in spite of the fact that men who have devoted their lives to science still can't come up with an absolute answer. The picture you linked is fact, the idea that sunspot activity is tied to climate change is speculation. Do you see the difference?

How did this thread shift to global warming anyway? Even if global warming turned out to be a misconception it's beneficial for us to move away from fossil fuels to cleaner, renewable energy sources.

Also, the argument "Let's not do anything because it'll be hard to get China to help" is absolutely ridiculous.

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exactly true.

Big P said:

you are clearly a retred

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ah, irony.

i lol'ed