Sire Killem All
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550k sig's. hope it makes it, reworded it so u can grow 4..... guess they jus have to be BEAST.... lol
Ohio Legalization
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Midflappdaman
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Responsible Ohio will be on the ballot for Nov 3, 2015. They have around 600k signatures. The other proposals, Ohio Rights Group and Better for Ohio have bowed out for 2015. Responsible Ohio will be the only Cannabis initiative on the ballot. Ohio legislators are putting forth a amendment to stop monopoly type initiatives from becoming part of the Ohio Constitution. It will also be on the 2015 ballot. If both pass, it will nullify the Responsible Ohio amendment.
Midflappdaman
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Responsible Ohio is short 48,000 valid signatures. They have 10 days to cure this problem. Pretty sure they are done for 2015. They will not get their oligopoly!
ResponsibleOhio (RO)-though imperfect-is the ONLY viable option currently available.
Why?
For one simple reason: because they have the money...to promote...to gather petition signatures.
Personally, I prefer the OTEP plan...but they have little or no money, and money-whether we like it or not-is the prime driver of politics and most everything else. We have watched all attempts which lack funding fail miserably.
It is far from certain that any other effort to make the ballet in 2015-16 will do so.
Without $$$ the difficulties are much magnified.
Does anyone really expect that those that put forward the necessary funding would do so for merely altruistic reasons rather than expect a return on their investment?
Here in Ohio it is apparent that a ballot initiative may be our only serious means to end prohibition.
Despite the fact that cannabis prohibition is clearly a violation of the Ohio Bill of Rights (Article I Section I) as well as the federal Bill of Rights (9th & 10th Amendments), the courts have abdicated their responsibility-otherwise cannabis prohibition would long ago have been ruled unconstitutional by both state and federal courts.
So, we cannot expect judicial relief.
The Ohio legislature, both House and Senate, has done exactly zip, but for a thinly veiled attempt to block RO with a legislative initiated ballet measure (HJR-4). While they trust the electorate to elect them to office, they do not want Ohioans to exercise their right to alter government: Article I Section 2 of Ohio Bill of Rights:
All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their equal protection and benefit, and they have the right to alter, reform, or abolish the same, whenever they may deem it necessary; and no special privileges or immunities shall ever be granted, that may not be altered, revoked, or repealed by the General Assembly.
While Ohio's Representatives and Senators may wish that Article 1 Section 2 contained a clause subjecting the people's government altering power to limitations set by the...um...government...it contains no such provision.
The Ohio legislature wants to block RO, while allowing the status quo of jailing people for a plant, rather than make legislative proposals to RE-legalize cannabis, despite opinion polls showing a majority favoring RE-legalization of cannabis and a super-majority in favor of therapeutic cannabis use. The claim of opposition to a monopoly (mono means one and there would be ten separate corporations growing/wholesaling...not just one) in Ohio is disingenuous-witness the apparent approval of "monopoly" control of gambling casinos, as well as the privatized prisons-for-profit operating in Ohio.
So, we cannot expect common sense to impel legislative relief either.
And, let us not forget...the black market trade in illegal drugs-the plant cannabis is included-is already controlled by a monopoly... the nasty violent drug cartels.
Insisting on perfection is sort of a Rip Van Winkle approach...
I *know* what just one properly, lovingly cared for female cannabis plant is capable of producing. The RO plan allows adults to cultivate four flowering plants and unlimited non-flowering. This alone will have a sort of 'overgrow the government' effect.
The largest Ohio NORML chapter, Miami Valley NORML (MVNORML = Cincinnati & Dayton) has developed a consensus that *anything* that is a step away from prohibition is a step forward. MVNORML leadership and members were instrumental in convincing RO to add to their plan the option to home grow as well as a reduction in the taxes levied on cannabis in order to combat the cartel's black market.
It is both amazing and disappointing how humans are so susceptible to being divided and conquered...
A fractured cannabis community will only bear the fruit of continued cannabis prohibition.
ResponsibleOhio deserves the support of Ohio's cannabis enthusiasts in order to make a clear improvement over the status quo.
There will be plenty of time to make adjustments later.
Why?
For one simple reason: because they have the money...to promote...to gather petition signatures.
Personally, I prefer the OTEP plan...but they have little or no money, and money-whether we like it or not-is the prime driver of politics and most everything else. We have watched all attempts which lack funding fail miserably.
It is far from certain that any other effort to make the ballet in 2015-16 will do so.
Without $$$ the difficulties are much magnified.
Does anyone really expect that those that put forward the necessary funding would do so for merely altruistic reasons rather than expect a return on their investment?
Here in Ohio it is apparent that a ballot initiative may be our only serious means to end prohibition.
Despite the fact that cannabis prohibition is clearly a violation of the Ohio Bill of Rights (Article I Section I) as well as the federal Bill of Rights (9th & 10th Amendments), the courts have abdicated their responsibility-otherwise cannabis prohibition would long ago have been ruled unconstitutional by both state and federal courts.
So, we cannot expect judicial relief.
The Ohio legislature, both House and Senate, has done exactly zip, but for a thinly veiled attempt to block RO with a legislative initiated ballet measure (HJR-4). While they trust the electorate to elect them to office, they do not want Ohioans to exercise their right to alter government: Article I Section 2 of Ohio Bill of Rights:
All political power is inherent in the people. Government is instituted for their equal protection and benefit, and they have the right to alter, reform, or abolish the same, whenever they may deem it necessary; and no special privileges or immunities shall ever be granted, that may not be altered, revoked, or repealed by the General Assembly.
While Ohio's Representatives and Senators may wish that Article 1 Section 2 contained a clause subjecting the people's government altering power to limitations set by the...um...government...it contains no such provision.
The Ohio legislature wants to block RO, while allowing the status quo of jailing people for a plant, rather than make legislative proposals to RE-legalize cannabis, despite opinion polls showing a majority favoring RE-legalization of cannabis and a super-majority in favor of therapeutic cannabis use. The claim of opposition to a monopoly (mono means one and there would be ten separate corporations growing/wholesaling...not just one) in Ohio is disingenuous-witness the apparent approval of "monopoly" control of gambling casinos, as well as the privatized prisons-for-profit operating in Ohio.
So, we cannot expect common sense to impel legislative relief either.
And, let us not forget...the black market trade in illegal drugs-the plant cannabis is included-is already controlled by a monopoly... the nasty violent drug cartels.
Insisting on perfection is sort of a Rip Van Winkle approach...
I *know* what just one properly, lovingly cared for female cannabis plant is capable of producing. The RO plan allows adults to cultivate four flowering plants and unlimited non-flowering. This alone will have a sort of 'overgrow the government' effect.
The largest Ohio NORML chapter, Miami Valley NORML (MVNORML = Cincinnati & Dayton) has developed a consensus that *anything* that is a step away from prohibition is a step forward. MVNORML leadership and members were instrumental in convincing RO to add to their plan the option to home grow as well as a reduction in the taxes levied on cannabis in order to combat the cartel's black market.
It is both amazing and disappointing how humans are so susceptible to being divided and conquered...
A fractured cannabis community will only bear the fruit of continued cannabis prohibition.
ResponsibleOhio deserves the support of Ohio's cannabis enthusiasts in order to make a clear improvement over the status quo.
There will be plenty of time to make adjustments later.
Midflappdaman
Member
I'm in the Central Ohio area. If you need to register to vote and would like to sign the petition to put Www.legalizeohio2016.org on the 2016 ballot, hit me up.
mike4c4
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are you guys still taking name?
Midflappdaman
Member
Mike4c, yes we are still collecting signatures for 2016.
mike4c4
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Nov 3 2015 . Its already on the ballot. I was only able to turn in 126 names. We need to vote this in and the bill has a anti-monopoly amendment in it.
http://ballotpedia.org/Ohio_Marijuana_Legalization_Initiative_(2015)
Midflappdaman
Member
Mike4c I'm collecting for the Cannabis Control Amendment. Shooting for the 2016 ballot.
http://www.legalizeohio2016.org/amendment
http://www.legalizeohio2016.org/amendment
As I pointed out above, without $money$ chances are nil that any ballet initiative efforts make the ballet in Ohio.
The truth of that is presented by the success of ResponsibleOhio and the failure of all other efforts so far...
Ohioans can most likely expect to wait as many as three to five years...maybe longer...if we fail to grab our chance with the imperfect but undeniable step forward that ResponsibleOhio represents.
There will be three statewide issues on the ballet this November 3 in Ohio:
But I doubt that they will determine the outcome.
That will be decided by the vast majority in Ohio that are not cannabis people, but are coming to see cannabis prohibition to be the tragic disaster that it is.
The opposition, which in a very bizarre twist (pun intended) includes cannabis people that oppose RO, appears to have as arguments their tired old drug war hysteria and a novel approach in the 'monopoly' thing (10 locations owned by different investors is not a monopoly).
This is going to be a very interesting campaign season
The truth of that is presented by the success of ResponsibleOhio and the failure of all other efforts so far...
Ohioans can most likely expect to wait as many as three to five years...maybe longer...if we fail to grab our chance with the imperfect but undeniable step forward that ResponsibleOhio represents.
There will be three statewide issues on the ballet this November 3 in Ohio:
- Issue 1: Redistricting reform amendment
- Issue 2: Anti-monopoly amendment (vote NO as this is targeted at obstructing ResponsibleOhio)
- Issue 3: Marijuana legalization amendment (vote YES if you want to make a real start at dismantling cannabis prohibition, recognizing that there is more work to do)
But I doubt that they will determine the outcome.
That will be decided by the vast majority in Ohio that are not cannabis people, but are coming to see cannabis prohibition to be the tragic disaster that it is.
The opposition, which in a very bizarre twist (pun intended) includes cannabis people that oppose RO, appears to have as arguments their tired old drug war hysteria and a novel approach in the 'monopoly' thing (10 locations owned by different investors is not a monopoly).
This is going to be a very interesting campaign season
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Damn straight... people dont understand if RO isnt pleasing us the consumers it will be easier to fight them then the government. ..as much as they hold over our heads with only 10 huge grow sights and they have money but as a consumer if we are not pleased we make change...so they will be forced to better their laws once it is passed, let them make money back... I know if I invested 2 million I would like a lot in return
These people need to understand that a grass root organization with little money will not pass on this side...look at dc...michigan has a big money investor group next year as well...WE NEED RO TO PASS
We are being left behind in the industry and medicinal advances.. California is making huge strides why we are sitting here with our hands underneathbour asses
A lot of ppl that are against RO havent really read their full amendment either and thats what is sickening
The governor apts 7 members to a MJ commission and they have the right to shut down or add and big grow site for wrong doings and make sure the big companies are not price fixing its all supply and demand!
We are aloud to do extracts as well...I believe it says the dispensaries are too? Could be wrong on that
And 1 disp. For every 10,000 residents?! And 1,600? !
Yea california has there GSC but no one has our famous DUMPSTER strain. ..id love to get a cutting or some beans od that...haven't had that in a long time
These people need to understand that a grass root organization with little money will not pass on this side...look at dc...michigan has a big money investor group next year as well...WE NEED RO TO PASS
We are being left behind in the industry and medicinal advances.. California is making huge strides why we are sitting here with our hands underneathbour asses
A lot of ppl that are against RO havent really read their full amendment either and thats what is sickening
The governor apts 7 members to a MJ commission and they have the right to shut down or add and big grow site for wrong doings and make sure the big companies are not price fixing its all supply and demand!
We are aloud to do extracts as well...I believe it says the dispensaries are too? Could be wrong on that
And 1 disp. For every 10,000 residents?! And 1,600? !
Yea california has there GSC but no one has our famous DUMPSTER strain. ..id love to get a cutting or some beans od that...haven't had that in a long time
TheHermit
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I would say it is the other way around.
How so? And only answer if your from Ohio...everyone who is against RO has the same argument..