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CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Greed is not capitalism.... not at all.

Greed is a CONSTANT of human nature. Each system HARNESSES the greed in different ways. Capitalism is the system which rewards the individual the most, but also includes risk for the individual (which in turn motivates more effort to succeed).

No other system does away with greed ... not at all. But every other system does take away the individual rewards, which in turn, decrease the individuals efforts to succeed.
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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CrackerJax said:
Greed is not capitalism.... not at all.

Greed is a CONSTANT of human nature. Each system HARNESSES the greed in different ways. Capitalism is the system which rewards the individual the most, but also includes risk for the individual (which in turn motivates more effort to succeed).

No other system does away with greed ... not at all. But every other system does take away the individual rewards, which in turn, decrease the individuals efforts to succeed.
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Wow, your opinions are sad. Your almost as bad as Sigmund Freud was.

"Greed is definitely a learned behavior. It's not that individuals explicitly learn from others to be greedy. In our capitalistic society, there is a strong emphasis on individualism, and the larger social structures mold people to look out for themselves. In non-capitalist societies people tend to do what's best for the group, which is evidence that greed is not innate."

"Greed is included as one of the seven deadly sins. It is surely a learned means of social intercourse. If you are stranded on an island I do not beleive that you would search for some type of outlet to be greedy being led by instinct."

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20061114090541AAc3M9G

"Seeking pleasure and avoiding pain is a biological part of human nature. Greed is not."

http://www.workers.org/2006/us/greedy-0223/

Greed is a learned behavoir and not instinctual. Greed is a choice for all but capatilistic pigs that are addicted to the pleasure brought about by playing into their sickness (greedy behavior) and gaining in some material way that pleases them without regard for others or any sence of fairness or equality.
 
UNICRONLIVES

UNICRONLIVES

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I guess it depends on if you growing to smoke or growing to "GIFT" it to others!! ROI can play a big role and so does why you are doing it !! R=Return O=On I=Investment.
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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ROI is always an issue but I my hat is off to the grower coops and non profit groups who can supply medicinal marijuana for $10 a gram or less and still pay good employes wages and continue to reinvest and grow. It is a shame that so many growers are as bad as the MJ nutrient manufacturers that choose instead to just take advantage of the present laws by charging high prices to a captive market especially when they are the ones convincing the buyers they have no better choices. They are simply leaches drain their customers as long as they can. I don't think you will find large commercial growers or MJ nutrient manufacturers actually supporting MJ legalization of any kind. Fat Mikie pretends he does but he is the fattest leach in the MJ nutrient field so any alleged support he provides is just more of his marketing hype IMHO.
 
BluffinCali

BluffinCali

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Check out cutting edge solutions, my buddy get some crazy results using their products, Im using them for my outdoor this year. He was harvesting 4-6lbs cheese, tundra and others, I think his smallest was just under 4lbs...Ive heard of some slightly bigger but never seen any in person like last year...unreal
 
BluffinCali

BluffinCali

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My thought is if you can really afford it, then get it, if not then make the necessary adjustments. Id never any advanced nutrients until I had to try the damn kushie kush for my kush plants, not saying it was bad but my plants look the same as always. Its just another business the uses marketing and advertising to their advantage...eventually people will find what works for them and it probably wont be the most expensive crap they can find.
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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Personally, I mix my own but of the good priced nutrients out there that are readily available I would recommend Dyna-Gro Foliage-Pro however it is not sold by a MJ nutrient na manafcture so don't be surprised that it is cheaper than the MJ manafacturers retailed nutrients. About $34 per gallon: http://bamboodirect.com/bamboo/catalog/fertilizer.html
They also sell Silica phosphate cheap for $32 per gallon.

It is talked about here. https://www.rollitup.org/nutrients/295437-methodical-scientific-approach-nutrients-nutrient.html
 
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Hemlock

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HomeGrown420baby said:
i wasnt talkin shit about AN i actually recommend switching to AN..foxfarm is ok ima try it my next grow but AN gives u more filled out buds and faster growing plants..check this video out..this dude used AN, FF, and MG and AN got first FF second and MG last (of course) and the mg was disapointing..ill never fuk with MG ill tell u that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAYohbq27rU
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do you work for AN. Hey we like Big Mike but at the end of he day AN is fuckin expensive. I grow to sell but have used AN on my head stash and seen a little better results but nothing worth the price i paid for the product.

Here an Idea for ya use GH as you base and add AN's suplaments
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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Or just buy the supplment ingrediants in bulk cheap and add them yo your base fertilizers like Dyna-Gro Foliage-Pro. The Dyna-fro Folaiaf ge pro can be bought for less than $35 per gallon and I give the link to amino acids, seaweed a extracts humic'fulvic acids above. Plus they sell every other supplement except fertilizer salts ie manesium, calcium, and phosphate. There is just no reason to buy the grossly over priced prices of the "specialty" fertilizers solfd by FF (Botanicare), AN, GH, Canna or the others. They are run by leaches.
 
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Hemlock

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fatman7574 said:
Or just buy the supplment ingrediants in bulk cheap and add them yo your base fertilizers like Dyna-Gro Foliage-Pro. The Dyna-fro Folaiaf ge pro can be bought for less than $35 per gallon and I give the link to amino acids, seaweed a extracts humic'fulvic acids above. Plus they sell every other supplement except fertilizer salts ie manesium, calcium, and phosphate. There is just no reason to buy the grossly over priced prices of the "specialty" fertilizers solfd by FF (Botanicare), AN, GH, Canna or the others. They are run by leaches.
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you know i've heard that AN is owned by the russian Mob? have no idea if its true or not?
Anyone know?
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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I doubt it I think the Russians mob has a few good ethics but Mikie does not. He would have to be disappeared if the Russian mob took over as they have more of a reputation to protect than does fat Mikie.
 
CrackerJax

CrackerJax

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Like I said....greed is a constant... origin aside (but not decided).

I stand by the post, since it is true, though some don't like to admit to the reality as opposed to wishful thinking.

Since man has never existed without greed, it is OBVIOUS that it isn't going anywhere.

Greed PRODUCES results... and is a good thing when channeled properly ... as with Capitalism. It isn't perfect, but it is far ahead of the rest.

I'm glad you work for a non profit...that's neato keen. But the larger picture is that you can do that because you live within a system of capitalism which ALLOWS that sort of thinking to survive on it's own merits (your merit may be indeed high). But without the umbrella of Capitalism above you .... pfft ... gone.
 
Jack in the Bud

Jack in the Bud

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fatman7574 said:
Wrong.

I am not a capitalist, I am the president of a nonprofit organization. I am not even allowed to make any substantial profits. I am even controlled in the amount of money that the organization can have in savings etc. Tax exempt though.

Generalizations about capitalism and business owners are pretty accurate. So I assume you consider a serious ious grower as a grower in business to make money growing and selling Pot. I imagine that is quite the minority n the forums. However that would surely apply to the sponsors of this site who sell seeds for $5 to $10 each. That is not the case with the general public. Amongst the general public middle class capitalism is a minority. Usually the middle class are more interested in fairness than making the greatest gain off of every transaction as they can as does the capitalist. The general public talks about good buys and fair prices. Capitalists talk abut profit margins and new sells gimmicks and odd shore accounts.

Greed is not necessarily the common quality of growers serious or not and greed is capitalism. A capitalist is a pig irregardless of what sector they come from. It is all a matter of a pig hogging the trough while squealing me. The Tragedy on the Commons and capitalism go hand in hand toward our destruction.

I know plenty of "serious" growers who estimate the monthly profit they allow themselves on the amount of money they would be living on it they were living on a government disability check, unemployment or on welfare and food stamps and rental assistance. That does not sound a lot like greed/capitalism. But they do not live in a million dollar house and drive a Hummer like Fat Mikie of AN. The non capitalistic growers I know fair a lot better in court then the capitalistic growers who usually end up loosing every thing they own and receive maximum jail terms.

The Tragedy of the Commons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

If I was in it for the money I would be selling Nutes or seeds. Much more profit. Lot less chance of prison time.
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fatman,

First off I agree with you, you are not a Capitalist. You're just another in a long line of Social Mystics. And secondly I think I need to thank you for helping me make the point I was trying to make in my initial post on this subject. That point being that most of the folks who rail against Capitalism (the longest and loudest) don't have the first clue as to what it really is or what it represents.

But then I guess I shouldn't fault you to severely for that because apparently you're just another casualty of the altruist morality and the progressive education system in this country. Your poor spelling and grammar alone is a pretty good indication that you're a by product of the latter.

It's no surprise to me that you take pride in working for a non-profit organization. After all you probably don't have any thing to bring to the table that would make you of any real value to a for profit organization. Hell man you need a special favor from the government (in the form of a tax exemption) just to be able to put and keep a small amount of money in the bank.

Since Capitalism is the only social system that recognizes and supports the political concept of Individual Rights I'm guessing you're fairly clueless as to what they entail also. And I'm also going to have to hazard the guess that you really don't know what "money" is or what it represents.

But hey, don't let any thing I've said here inhibit you from continuing your diatribe against the so called "evils" of Capitalism. Because I for one am getting some good entertainment value out of it. It's like watching a little kid try and wear his Daddy's over sized shoes.

Jack
 
fatman7574

fatman7574

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Ha, ha you a funny and ignorant liitle man. I am a full tenured professor. I have a Phd in Civil Engineering. What are you a business major with a minor in English. You be a sissy boy too. Waste of oxygen is what you are. Do you also live in San Francisco or do you polish toilet stall floors in D.C.?

I have no need for the profits of a profit making organization, however there are many people who need the help of non profit aencies so I serve on the borads of three different non profit organix zations. I do not believe those non profit organizations, their membership or any of those who benefit by the services provided by those organizations would agree with your sad opinions about me or the way non profits operate financially. You are a parasite dude and I am sorry for you and ashamed of your very existence. You should be hunt down and shot or simply locked up with Madoff. I am sure eoither one of you would make a good *itch for the other.

As I no longer wish to hear you glorify a disease such as greed and its twin sister capitalism this subscription is now off my list.
 
olishell

olishell

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Some of the major growers in here will tell you,
(you know who they are) just use N for veg. and P for flowering.All the other crap is window dressing and simply stylish.
 
madcatter

madcatter

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Ah..... the fatman is a tenured professor.... now there is a shining example of what is wrong with our edcuational system... some retard does enough to get a life time of sucking at the gravy train and once attained never has to do anything of consequence or merit ever again....

but back to the task at hand... capitalism doesn't mean greed... in an unrestricted market capitalism brings competition and eventually a market stabilizes to meet the elasticities of the supply and demand and the pricing models.... greed means government interference and protectionist actions.... so as to protect substand lousy businesses from themselves...
 
owl

owl

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jesus christ

first, i believe there are several alternatives for one individual to either obtain or produce "feed" for "these" plants. one should understand that there are several alternatives - a variety of options.

what one individual views as a "good" option may not be a "good" option to another, hell, may not even be an option to another.

we are all blessed and cursed with misfortunes and fortunes, but more importantly, we all have a different perception in general. we all have seen a rainbow, but it is scientifically impossible that we saw the exact same one due to humidity, angle of light blah blah...

name calling and the "testing" of others "worth" by education "value" is absolutely ridiculous, especially via the WWW. looks like some ego death is in need via psilocybe cubensis/stropharia, but i would feel out of place preaching to others how to go about their ways - i am no saint - i am flawed just like everyone else. even though these flaws are ours we should still understand that it is a blessing along with being, obviously, a curse.

it ALL depends on how you look at it and some of you seem to be trying to "point at the particular rainbow" that is present, which again is scientifically impossible.

not saying that it is bad to point out your rainbow or your view, but if it comes to insults then it automatically becomes void of any aid, progress, and/or insight.

i feel i am preaching which i do not intend to, but simply show what i see.

above all, much appreciation to the individual showing another alternative to "us"

p.s. notice how i mention "us"
 
Jack in the Bud

Jack in the Bud

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CrackerJax said:
Tenured professor ... nuff said there...

Bubble boy.
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Sweet dancing Jesus on a whole wheat cracker! If that's what passes for a tenured professor at one of our institutions of (supposedly) higher learning, our country is absolutely fucking doomed.

Jack

"This Life, on This Earth, it's all you get. Please try and learn to deal with it".
 
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