Police kill dog for no reason

Chiefems said:

A cop without mace and a tazer that's a good one.

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I'm basically asking if it would have been okay for him to use lethal force if he had no other ways of defending himself.

If an angry, barking dog runs up to me "acting on its instinct" I'm going to defend myself with whatever I have. Not everyone is a dog trainer.

I wonder why the officer chose his gun?

KangarooBunny said:

I'm basically asking if it would have been okay for him to use lethal force if he had no other ways of defending himself.
If an angry, barking dog runs up to me "acting on its instinct" I'm going to defend myself with whatever I have. Not everyone is a dog trainer.
I wonder why the officer chose his gun?

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Tasers lead to unpredictability on the affected dogs and can also kill them. Best line of defence is a baton, if a cop can't subdue a dog with one he shouldn't be in uniform or behind a desk.


Police and experts talk about using tasers on aggressive dogs

April Harris, the director at Salt lake County Animal Services, says her officers don't carry tasers and she believes they are not necessary to catch an aggressive dog. "Our officers are trained in recognizing the body language of the dog and then reacting with their own body language so they can get the dog to calm down and so they can catch the dog safely." She says there are times when a dog probably needs to be put down. "If the dog is coming after you trying to attack you or your child - I would say yes, you would shoot the dog." But she says the answer is not at the end of a gun or a taser. She believes the answer is in training. "Its all about how you are acting and how you are reacting to the situation and what tools you're given. And how you use the tools and the training you're provided.

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Apparently only cops can kill dogs... Bounty hunters expected to face charges for tasing man, shooting dog

echelon1k1 said:

Tasers lead to unpredictability on the effected dogs and can also kill them. Best line of defence is a baton, if a cop can't subdue a dog with one he shouldn't be in uniform or behind a desk.

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Do they have to be trained how to deal with every domesticated animal though? What if a parrot attacks?

Sounds ridiculous. Valid question.

April Harris, the director at Salt lake County Animal Services, says her officers don't carry tasers and she believes they are not necessary to catch an aggressive dog. "Our officers are trained in recognizing the body language of the dog and then reacting with their own body language so they can get the dog to calm down and so they can catch the dog safely." She says there are times when a dog probably needs to be put down. "If the dog is coming after you trying to attack you or your child - I would say yes, you would shoot the dog." But she says the answer is not at the end of a gun or a taser. She believes the answer is in training. "Its all about how you are acting and how you are reacting to the situation and what tools you're given. And how you use the tools and the training you're provided." And she says some departments just can't give their animal control officers all the training they need. "There are smaller shelters and agencies that don't have that money in their budget and the animals suffer and the communities suffers."

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sad stuff.

You don't need to be a dog trainer to know that as a human that instantly puts you above them as alpha. However say a dogs chasing you down the road and your running away that's why he's still chasing you. I bet you turn around and start charging back that dog will run away. You need to make it clear to the dog you are dominate and there's nothing they can do but accept it. It really is easier then I make it sound.

echelon1k1 said:

And SIZE does not matter, regardless of your size and stature a "dominant" minded person who intimately understands dogs can control a dog of any size WITHOUT anger, violence, aggression of any kind... Dogs do not respond to such emotions

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In almost total agreement w/you here.

My dog is a beast. 150 lbs of pure stubbornness. He only listens to me consistently. I tell my wife all the time she has to MAKE him listen to her. He is never in the least bit aggressive towards anyone in my family but he knows he can push his weight around to get what he wants with the wife and kids. He will push his way in the house behind the kids and what not when he knows he is not allowed.

Today she went to leave with the kids. She left the rear hatch open on the truck and he jumped right in. LOL He thought he would go for a ride too. She was not amused. I was not around to get him out for them. They tried everything. Dog treats and even the never failing hot dog would not lure him out. He was like....Nope. I'm going for a ride too. She said it was funny for a while, but after 20 minutes of failed attempts to remove him it wasn't funny anymore.

Finally she got pissed and grabbed him and he came out. My little wife would never have moved him if he didn't want to move. She finally convinced him that SHE was boss and he was like ok.

I was so proud of her for finally taking control. It took her anger to convince him to move though. Dogs can most certainly sense and understand emotions to a certain extent. He knows when he has fucked up. He also knows when he has been good. He definitely knows when I am upset. He will come and lean on me and put his head in my lap like... what's wrong dad?

KangarooBunny said:

Do they have to be trained how to deal with every domesticated animal though? What if a parrot attacks?

Sounds ridiculous. Valid question.

sad stuff.

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Since 40% of Americans as of '06 own a dog according to this gallup poll, I feel police should get some type of training on how to approach/deal with ANY K9s they may encounter.

Dogs are an intimate part of human life and are the only animal in the world that can read our minds, interpret our body language and eye contact.

When a mother breastfeeds her new born child Oxytocin is released, with each feeding new Oxytocin is released.
"Oxytocin is a little, little peptide hormone. It's just nine amino acids. It's produced in a very old part of the brain, called the hypothalamus. And oxytocin helps the mother quickly establish the positive feelings and the bond to the baby" It's basically how a mother and child develop a bond that lasts a lifetime, transcending space and time.

The only other time Oxytocin is released by our brains is when we interact with a dog. Researchers at Karolinska Institutet, Sweden have confirmed this link.

Why Do We Love Our Pets?

Another study that also correlates the above Neurophysiological correlates of affiliative behaviour between humans and dogs.

So with the above in mind, all law enforcement should receive training on dog behaviour as a parrot won't do too much. They encounter dogs as a routine part of their jobs, IMO it's a given.

I would also like to see some kind of animal behavioural program (tailored to the target audience) introduced to grade schools to educate children on responsible ownership of pets with a strong emphasis on k9 behaviour as they seem to attack in higher frequencies than other domesticated animals like cats, birds, fish or rabbits.

excellent points and links e1k1

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echelon1k1 said:

Since 40% of Americans as of '06 own a dog according to this gallup poll, I feel police should get some type of training on how to approach/deal with ANY K9s they may encounter.

Dogs are an intimate part of human life and are the only animal in the world that can read our minds, interpret our body language and eye contact.

When a mother breastfeeds her new born child Oxytocin is released, with each feeding new Oxytocin is released.
"Oxytocin is a little, little peptide hormone. It's just nine amino acids. It's produced in a very old part of the brain, called the hypothalamus. And oxytocin helps the mother quickly establish the positive feelings and the bond to the baby" It's basically how a mother and child develop a bond that lasts a lifetime, transcending space and time.

The only other time Oxytocin is released by our brains is when we interact with a dog. Researchers at Karolinska Institutet, Sweden have confirmed this link.

Why Do We Love Our Pets?

Another study that also correlates the above Neurophysiological correlates of affiliative behaviour between humans and dogs.

So with the above in mind, all law enforcement should receive training on dog behaviour as a parrot won't do too much. They encounter dogs as a routine part of their jobs, IMO it's a given.

I would also like to see some kind of animal behavioural program (tailored to the target audience) introduced to grade schools to educate children on responsible ownership of pets with a strong emphasis on k9 behaviour as they seem to attack in higher frequencies than other domesticated animals like cats, birds, fish or rabbits.

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Cool, man. I learned something.

Might need to get myself a dog. Oxytocin sounds great.

It's sickening what he did to the dog, but regardless of the disgust I feel, I think openly discharging your firearm like that with concrete sidewalks and members of the public extremely nearby is extra-super-mega retarded.

There's a reason concrete isn't used as a back-stop in firing ranges...

fb360 said:

I called you an idiot because you happen to think that taking a life is the first course of action, even when yours isnt in immediate danger.

There were several different ways they could have avoided killing the animal. Period.

Also, size does matter. I have a ~90 lb german shepherd, and spend lots of time around 100+ pits, rots, dobermans. First off, yes a dog that big can take down a human for sure. But, if a good size human had to fight a large dog, the human would win. All of that is besides the point though. The police had many outs, they took the shittiest route

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Please point out where I said that?

In his eyes, his life was in immediate danger.

I think I need to bold this part because you are starting to sound like my wife:

I do not like what happened, I just understand it.

Antidisestablishmentarian said:

Please point out where I said that?

In his eyes, his life was in immediate danger.

I think I need to bold this part because you are starting to sound like my wife:

I do not like what happened, I just understand it.

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So to you it makes sense for a pig to discharge their firearm FOUR times at a dog at an angle where if he misses they'll hit the pavement, probably shatter and ricochet?

Cos I can't understand how that'd make sense to anyone.

Where did I say that?

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Honey, is that you?

Antidisestablishmentarian said:

Where did I say that?

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Honey, is that you?

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You said you made sense of a senseless act, you don't like it but you understand it?

The cop fired FOUR times in a place where the public were standing around because he's a chickenshit, it's a simple as that.

He should be fired for both an unlawful arrest and public endangerment.

echelon1k1 said:

Size doesn't matter, dominance does... Carry yourself like pussy and you'll get bitten...

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Actually, both matter, but you are absolutely correct.

My GSP feeds off of fear more than any dog I've ever met. If you acted scared, she will take you under her control. If you show her you are not scared, shes the biggest sweetheart in the world. And it's not just human interaction either. My dog is great around house cats that are used to being around dogs. However, if she sees a cat that spooks and starts running for it, she will chase that thing until she catches it, or it gets away. Again, natural instinct at play.

What you said though does apply to nearly every large dog I've met, and its one of the first things you learn as a large dog owner. Many dogs by instinct want to be the leader, the alpha. Once they realize they are not your leader, they will gladly let you lead them. This is especially true with the german shepherd breed.

But size does also matter, trust me. I'm 6' 225 strong. My gf is 5'3 120 on a heavy day. I have a MUCH easier time showing my dominance to dogs than she does, even when she acts identically like me. It's hard for a 150lb dog to just let a 120lb 5' human take them under control without growing up with them, or knowing them good. All large dogs I've befriended let me control them immediately.

zack66 said:

The dog was flipping out inside the guys car. He did jump up towards the cop. If it was your kid the dog was doing that to how would you react? No cop lover here by any means but, I've been attacked by a large aggressive breed dog before and it's no joke. They should have handled it differently but, the owner should have had his dog under control. If he had this wouldn't have happened.

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The cops should have let the owner get his dog under control. Handcuffs likely wouldn't even of had to be removed. That dog wasn't acting terribly aggressive; that situation could have easily been defused without shooting. If a dog scares you, then you shouldn't be a cop. Most people have dogs, and shooting them because you're lacking the backbone to be dominant is not an acceptable action.

SHOTGUN420 said:

I agree but he was quick to go for his gun. Common sense would tell you to use a taser/stun gun. I guess the pussy feared for his life.

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I would have chosen the gun, also.

kelly4 said:

I would have chosen the gun, also.

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Of course the dog saw what REALLY happened....armed thugs attacked his master. The dog is a "hero".

zack66 said:

From what I saw the dog charged once or twice then actually jumped up and went for the cops arm. I agree they should have tried mace or a tazer but, until your in that situation with a 100 plus pound dog coming after you it's hard to say how one reacts. I own a pit who is very well trained but, because of her breed cops have 0 tolerance when it comes to the dogs being agressive towards them. Plus the guy's a fuckin" idiot for sticking his nose in a situation that had nothing to do with him. 100% owners fault the dog is dead!

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Or don't just automatically illegally handcuff someone for filming you perhaps? Fuck the police.

H R Puff N Stuff said:

i didnt say close the windows all the way just not down enough for the dog to get out the victim here is the dog the owner screwed up if the cop was to goto the car and shoot the dog thru the window we would be on the same page but thats not what happened.again screwed up situation

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It was the officers fault for illegally detaining him.

fb360 said:

Because the dog is acting on pure instinct. All, and I mean, ALL they had to do was let the owner walk away from them with the handcuffs on even, and get his dog settled down. They didnt even give the animal a chance. They wanted to shoot that animal

The best thing they could have done was instructed him to get his animal under control and then taken him into custody again afterwards. They shot first and thought after

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They never took him anywhere, they released him after. You can watch a video of him at the scene still not in handcuffs. It's the officers fault for illegally detaining him and then not handling the situation they created themselves properly. I hope this guy sues the shit out of the police officer responsible and wins.