President Obama Is Leading Us Deeper Into Tyranny

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BigAzzBudzz said:
Ok most might be an extreme but so is comparing Obama to Hitler. Its exagerations like that, that lead us down the wrong path.
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The original point that you still fail to miss was prior to the Enabling Act in Germany, Hitler was a much loved and productive leader, however he slowly but surely disassembled German people's liberty and turned Germany into the Nazi Gestapo State that it became.

The OP was comparing the rise of the Third Reich to the current raft of legislation passed/being passed and he even went to give examples ie. NDAA, SOPA, extending the Patriot Act...

Of course the simple thing for you was to say "racist! Racism! BIGOTRY!" and not actually refute any of his points?
 
Harrekin said:
The original point that you still fail to miss was prior to the Enabling Act in Germany, Hitler was a much loved and productive leader, however he slowly but surely disassembled German people's liberty and turned Germany into the Nazi Gestapo State that it became.

The OP was comparing the rise of the Third Reich to the current raft of legislation passed/being passed and he even went to give examples ie. NDAA, SOPA, extending the Patriot Act...

Of course the simple thing for you was to say "racist! Racism! BIGOTRY!" and not actually refute any of his points?
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The real point of this thread was to associate Obama and Hitler which is completely retarded.

Even before Hitler came to power he'd already written in detail exactly what he thought of the jews. The reason he was so popular was because he made people afraid of the jews and then presented himself as the solution to that problem. I doubt Germans had the holocaust in mind when they started to support him, but the hatred he raised against the jews was still very real.

Hitler came to power by making people afraid and angry. Obama did no such thing, and has done no such thing. Hitler and Obama are in no way comparable. Comparing Obama to Hitler is for the purpose of raising fear. So who's really more like Hitler?
 
Harrekin said:
Uncover bigotry? Gtfo man, black man downtrodden by the white man? We hate him cos he's black?

Get a life, YOU are the one who keeps bringing race into it...perhaps you're the "undercover bigot"?
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I got a life and everyday i have to be reminded of how fragile it is when i read shit like this. Thats the problem with under cover racism it hurts you and you don't even know it until its too late. Thats why I'm locked and loaded cause you people are loosing it.
 
Dan Kone said:
The real point of this thread was to associate Obama and Hitler which is completely retarded.

Even before Hitler came to power he'd already written in detail exactly what he thought of the jews. The reason he was so popular was because he made people afraid of the jews and then presented himself as the solution to that problem. I doubt Germans had the holocaust in mind when they started to support him, but the hatred he raised against the jews was still very real.

Hitler came to power by making people afraid and angry. Obama did no such thing, and has done no such thing. Hitler and Obama are in no way comparable. Comparing Obama to Hitler is for the purpose of raising fear. So who's really more like Hitler?
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G.W, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, Newt Gingrich, Rush Limbaugh... should I continue?
 
Dan Kone said:
The real point of this thread was to associate Obama and Hitler which is completely retarded.

Even before Hitler came to power he'd already written in detail exactly what he thought of the jews. The reason he was so popular was because he made people afraid of the jews and then presented himself as the solution to that problem. I doubt Germans had the holocaust in mind when they started to support him, but the hatred he raised against the jews was still very real.

Hitler came to power by making people afraid and angry. Obama did no such thing, and has done no such thing. Hitler and Obama are in no way comparable. Comparing Obama to Hitler is for the purpose of raising fear. So who's really more like Hitler?
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Actually Hitler rose to power because of the Treaty of Versailles that the Allies put Germany under after WWI. Hitler came along and fixed Germany's infrastructure, gave everyone jobs, rebuilt their economy and basically told the world to fuck off (igniting German nationalism).

The "Final Solution" only came out in public later after the Enabling Act (when it was too late to dissent anyways). People weren't attracted to Hitler cos he wanted to exterminate the Jews, give the German people some credit.
 
BigAzzBudzz said:
I got a life and everyday i have to be reminded of how fragile it is when i read shit like this. Thats the problem with under cover racism it hurts you and you don't even know it until its too late. Thats why I'm locked and loaded cause you people are loosing it.
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And for the record, claiming all white people are racist is pretty racist in itself ;)
 
Harrekin said:
The original point that you still fail to miss was prior to the Enabling Act in Germany, Hitler was a much loved and productive leader, however he slowly but surely disassembled German people's liberty and turned Germany into the Nazi Gestapo State that it became.

The OP was comparing the rise of the Third Reich to the current raft of legislation passed/being passed and he even went to give examples ie. NDAA, SOPA, extending the Patriot Act...

Of course the simple thing for you was to say "racist! Racism! BIGOTRY!" and not actually refute any of his points?
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Ok fine where was all you people when Bush was doing the same shit?
 
BigAzzBudzz said:
Ok fine where was all you people when Bush was doing the same shit?
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Don't play that card. Bush was just as hated as Obama.

So many times I found myself actually defending Bush (kind of) despite the fact that I loathe the guy, simply because people hated him and hadn't the slightest fucking clue why.

Recently I got in an argument with a coworker because on the topic of Obama he said Mccain wouldn't have done any better and he had no clue why that would be the case. I hate McCain too.
 
sync0s said:
Well, that depends. The fear should be based in logic, though.
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true enough. Although I can't think of a leader who ran a fear based campaign and ended up being a net positive. Look at our presidents that inherited really difficult problems. Reagan, FDR, LBJ, even Lincoln avoided fear based tactics most of their careers and gathered support based on hope or strength. Bush is the only modern president who really rallied support based on fear that I can think of. It allowed him to do whatever the f- he wanted based on extremely flimsy pretense. He was extremely popular while he did some really scandalous stuff just because he had everyone so afraid all the time.
 
BigAzzBudzz said:
If you saw him walking down the street what would he be?
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Consciousness, navigating perceived reality through the realms of visible light and audible frequencies.
Although that might be too deep for you, or you may not even try to comprehend and simply dismiss it.
You asked.
 
Dan Kone said:
true enough. Although I can't think of a leader who ran a fear based campaign and ended up being a net positive. Look at our presidents that inherited really difficult problems. Reagan, FDR, LBJ, even Lincoln avoided fear based tactics most of their careers and gathered support based on hope or strength. Bush is the only modern president who really rallied support based on fear that I can think of. It allowed him to do whatever the f- he wanted based on extremely flimsy pretense. He was extremely popular while he did some really scandalous stuff just because he had everyone so afraid all the time.
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Yes, but history doesn't necessarily dictate future. Lincoln didn't even want to go to war or for that matter get rid of slavery right away. He, like the founders, didn't think America was ready for it. Of course, he didn't exactly have a choice on the matter.
 
sync0s said:
Yes, but history doesn't necessarily dictate future. Lincoln didn't even want to go to war or for that matter get rid of slavery right away. He, like the founders, didn't think America was ready for it. Of course, he didn't exactly have a choice on the matter.
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correct on lincoln. he only went to war to preserve the union, and only freed the slaves to rally the war effort once the north realized that the south wasn't going to be defeated so easily.

lincoln was kind of an asshole.
 
UncleBuck said:
lincoln was kind of an asshole.
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I need a history buff to help me with this one. I heard a rumor about not only did he not care about freeing black slaves, but since his hand was forced to do it, he was going to send them all back to their country of origin. Since technically they were never citizens. I don't know how he planned to do such a thing, but he was assassinated before he could do so.
 
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