Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is

CrackerJax

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The problem in all of the ID arguments is, G*D is not of the physical world, and by Trying to use science.... the religious make a fatal flaw. G*D cannot be disproven by science, nor can G*D be proven by science.

G*D does not match up with physical laws. It lies outside of science. It's a myth.
 

Trypt

Member
The problem in all of the ID arguments is, G*D is not of the physical world, and by Trying to use science.... the religious make a fatal flaw. G*D cannot be disproven by science, nor can G*D be proven by science.

G*D does not match up with physical laws. It lies outside of science. It's a myth.
myth as in a story created by man, i'd say most current views of "god" are.

as far as existing beyond our physical world...
does anyone at all read into what i say about consciousness, string theory, multiple dimensions and energy??
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Regardless.... anything you use to describe the universe falls within the laws of physics.

G*D does not fall into that category.

So in the end, you are saying something outside our laws of the universe created it.

You CAN say that, but that's about all you can say. It's impossible to proceed further, because we have no tools to disseminate the answer with. It's as if G*D is metric and we don't have metric tools. We can't work on the problem.

Trying to prove G*D with science is pointless and incorrect. It cannot be done.

G*D is a postulate, nothing more.
 

Trypt

Member
Regardless.... anything you use to describe the universe falls within the laws of physics.

G*D does not fall into that category.

So in the end, you are saying something outside our laws of the universe created it.

You CAN say that, but that's about all you can say. It's impossible to proceed further, because we have no tools to disseminate the answer with. It's as if G*D is metric and we don't have metric tools. We can't work on the problem.

Trying to prove G*D with science is pointless and incorrect. It cannot be done.

G*D is a postulate, nothing more.

You sir for being very open minded about god are very close minded about man

being conscious WE ARE GODS

http://highly-sensitive-people.group.stumbleupon.com/forum/88538/

my theories are NOT from standard science they are from ME and i correlate facts, history, math, science, and PROBABILITY myself,
so by your logic, since my thoughts are a product of man they are completely incorrect and i lack the ability to ever become correct?

sorry buddy, just because YOU arent ready to handle what the universe and beyond have to offer, doesnt mean you speak for us all.
So, why should we listen to you? do you study this in school, or are you just "old and experienced" enough to have that sort of opinion that won't ever be swayed


btw: we do have our god's metric tools
that would be our own power of thought TYVM sir.
 

CrackerJax

New Member
We are not g*Ds... just smart cousins of the apes. Maybe not that smart either. For all we know, we might be the dumbest sentients in the universe.

UNKNOWN. Do not fear it. Do not try and fill the gap prematurely.

Man is a narcissist. never forget that. Put away the mirror.....
 

Trypt

Member
We are not g*Ds... just smart cousins of the apes. Maybe not that smart either. For all we know, we might be the dumbest sentients in the universe.

UNKNOWN. Do not fear it. Do not try and fill the gap prematurely.

Man is a narcissist. never forget that. Put away the mirror.....
yeah yeah yeah

all i saw was filler for your point, no actual reference or fact
 

shrigpiece

Well-Known Member
You sir for being very open minded about god are very close minded about man

being conscious WE ARE GODS

http://highly-sensitive-people.group.stumbleupon.com/forum/88538/

my theories are NOT from standard science they are from ME and i correlate facts, history, math, science, and PROBABILITY myself,
so by your logic, since my thoughts are a product of man they are completely incorrect and i lack the ability to ever become correct?

sorry buddy, just because YOU arent ready to handle what the universe and beyond have to offer, doesnt mean you speak for us all.
So, why should we listen to you? do you study this in school, or are you just "old and experienced" enough to have that sort of opinion that won't ever be swayed


btw: we do have our god's metric tools
that would be our own power of thought TYVM sir.
techniqualy you are not being open minded, considering other peoples theorys is, thus its all very confusing:confused: i think we exsist because we just do, and the universe is a side effect, to be honest i have no clue:eyesmoke:PEACE
 

CrackerJax

New Member
What's to reference anyways? I already dissolved your hypothesis. poof....
the rest was just advice on where you left the tracks.

It's not about us. We aren't the center of anything. Ur first mistake. We just like to believe we are. :wink:
 

shrigpiece

Well-Known Member
What's to reference anyways? I already dissolved your hypothesis. poof....
the rest was just advice on where you left the tracks.

It's not about us. We aren't the center of anything. Ur first mistake. We just like to believe we are. :wink:
i kinder agree but this is a interesting thread just something i figgered out on mushrooms:roll:
 

CrackerJax

New Member
Not U... trypt. :lol:

I'm not here to disprove everything which comes down the pike. :lol:

The trouble starts when ppl use a source as a validation of itself. (Bible) It's quite ridiculous to do and at the same time wanting to be taken seriously by others.

The other trouble is when the religious try and use science to prove G*D. It can't work by their very own doctrine. You know.... ahem... the source. :lol:

It's all circular no matter how specific (DNA codes) or detailed (string theories). They are all inapplicable to proving G*D.

Trying to disprove some bit of Evolution (never done yet) gets you absolutely NO closer to proving G*D.

Packing a bowl now.
 

shrigpiece

Well-Known Member
Not U... trypt. :lol:

I'm not here to disprove everything which comes down the pike. :lol:

The trouble starts when ppl use a source as a validation of itself. (Bible) It's quite ridiculous to do and at the same time wanting to be taken seriously by others.

The other trouble is when the religious try and use science to prove G*D. It can't work by their very own doctrine. You know.... ahem... the source. :lol:

It's all circular no matter how specific (DNA codes) or detailed (string theories). They are all inapplicable to proving G*D.

Trying to disprove some bit of Evolution (never done yet) gets you absolutely NO closer to proving G*D.

Packing a bowl now.
bowls are good:eyesmoke:i was a little confused when you said :confused:
 

Trypt

Member
bowls are good:eyesmoke:i was a little confused when you said :confused:
like i stated earlier im completely open to the possibility of there being no central figure of intelligence or creation

i dont know why people think IM trying to disprove or prove anything here, im jsut trying to give a better understanding through valid points on topics very close to that of our own universe's creation.

I do however think that , NOT HUMANS, but CONSCIOUSNESS IN ITSELF is the center of all things relating to us in this universe though.
 

IAm5toned

Well-Known Member
I myself, am a Pastafarian. I find this religion meets and exceeds both my personal and spiritual requirements...

you can read up on it here:

http://venganza.org


RAmen bongsmilie
it all started with the:

Open Letter To Kansas School Board


I am writing you with much concern after having read of your hearing to decide whether the alternative theory of Intelligent Design should be taught along with the theory of Evolution. I think we can all agree that it is important for students to hear multiple viewpoints so they can choose for themselves the theory that makes the most sense to them. I am concerned, however, that students will only hear one theory of Intelligent Design.
Let us remember that there are multiple theories of Intelligent Design. I and many others around the world are of the strong belief that the universe was created by a Flying Spaghetti Monster. It was He who created all that we see and all that we feel. We feel strongly that the overwhelming scientific evidence pointing towards evolutionary processes is nothing but a coincidence, put in place by Him.
It is for this reason that I’m writing you today, to formally request that this alternative theory be taught in your schools, along with the other two theories. In fact, I will go so far as to say, if you do not agree to do this, we will be forced to proceed with legal action. I’m sure you see where we are coming from. If the Intelligent Design theory is not based on faith, but instead another scientific theory, as is claimed, then you must also allow our theory to be taught, as it is also based on science, not on faith.
Some find that hard to believe, so it may be helpful to tell you a little more about our beliefs. We have evidence that a Flying Spaghetti Monster created the universe. None of us, of course, were around to see it, but we have written accounts of it. We have several lengthy volumes explaining all details of His power. Also, you may be surprised to hear that there are over 10 million of us, and growing. We tend to be very secretive, as many people claim our beliefs are not substantiated by observable evidence. What these people don’t understand is that He built the world to make us think the earth is older than it really is. For example, a scientist may perform a carbon-dating process on an artifact. He finds that approximately 75% of the Carbon-14 has decayed by electron emission to Nitrogen-14, and infers that this artifact is approximately 10,000 years old, as the half-life of Carbon-14 appears to be 5,730 years. But what our scientist does not realize is that every time he makes a measurement, the Flying Spaghetti Monster is there changing the results with His Noodly Appendage. We have numerous texts that describe in detail how this can be possible and the reasons why He does this. He is of course invisible and can pass through normal matter with ease.
I’m sure you now realize how important it is that your students are taught this alternate theory. It is absolutely imperative that they realize that observable evidence is at the discretion of a Flying Spaghetti Monster. Furthermore, it is disrespectful to teach our beliefs without wearing His chosen outfit, which of course is full pirate regalia. I cannot stress the importance of this enough, and unfortunately cannot describe in detail why this must be done as I fear this letter is already becoming too long. The concise explanation is that He becomes angry if we don’t.
You may be interested to know that global warming, earthquakes, hurricanes, and other natural disasters are a direct effect of the shrinking numbers of Pirates since the 1800s. For your interest, I have included a graph of the approximate number of pirates versus the average global temperature over the last 200 years. As you can see, there is a statistically significant inverse relationship between pirates and global temperature.

In conclusion, thank you for taking the time to hear our views and beliefs. I hope I was able to convey the importance of teaching this theory to your students. We will of course be able to train the teachers in this alternate theory. I am eagerly awaiting your response, and hope dearly that no legal action will need to be taken. I think we can all look forward to the time when these three theories are given equal time in our science classrooms across the country, and eventually the world; One third time for Intelligent Design, one third time for Flying Spaghetti Monsterism, and one third time for logical conjecture based on overwhelming observable evidence.
Sincerely Yours,
Bobby Henderson, concerned citizen.
P.S. I have included an artistic drawing of Him creating a mountain, trees, and a midget. Remember, we are all His creatures.
 

krustofskie

Well-Known Member
I myself, am a Pastafarian.
I have decided to help save the planet so I am joining up to a Pirate school. Just starting work on the lathe to make my peg leg.

So ther RRR Jim lad and shiver me timbers till we save the world, or we will all end up in David Jones's Locker when the ice caps melt.

So is the way of the Pastafarian, it is so written.
 

Trypt

Member
To see a world in a grain of sand
and heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
and eternity in an hour
 

IAm5toned

Well-Known Member
To see a world in a grain of sand
and heaven in a wild flower,
Hold infinity in the palm of your hand
and eternity in an hour


-William Blake,
Auguries of Innocence



All religion, my friend, is simply evolved out of fraud, fear, greed, imagination, and poetry.

-Attributed to Edgar Allen Poe, unverified

Poetry may make us from time to time a little more aware of the deeper, unnamed feelings which form the substratum of our being, to which we rarely penetrate; for our lives are mostly a constant evasion of ourselves.

T.S. Eliot
 

Brazko

Well-Known Member
Consequently, Religion has brought us Proof of everything we Know Today, even Science, let me share...


Ask A Scientist​


"Okay, it all depends on what you mean
by "science." If you mean simply being inquisitive and testing
the world around you to find out what you can and can't do, then
"science" originated with the emergence of the first intelligent
life forms on the planet. Through trial and error, these creatures
lived their lives from day to day, learning what they needed to
survive and gaining new knowledge every day from new things
they tried to do (or get away with), often passing on this
information to others of their kind in one way or another."


This Was not a Religion, but a Belief System, a.k.a Religion


"If, however, you mean the modern scientific method, that of
observing natural phenomena, formulating a hypothesis about
it, testing that hypothesis with experiments, collecting data,
and then theorizing about the phenomena based of the information
you've gathered and the tests you've conducted, then I'd have
to say that true science originated separately with the Greeks
and the Chinese -- both these cultures used what we now know
as the scientific method to discover new ways of doing things,
and how the world around them actually worked."

Both of these Cultures were submerged and based in Mythology, Mysticism, Religion, Gods/gods, & Beliefs... Science was just the documentation of their efforts..

I remain confused on why people use the earth flat, sun rotated around earth, blah, blah, as a fault of REligion....There was no separation of Church/State/Religion/Science/Politics, It was 1 big Conglomerate (Elite Class), with each bearing Power Headed differently by each depending on time, place, & era, and pretty much No different then it is today, however unnoticeable and to our disbelief
 
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