Babs34
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Keep laughing, it's her, moron.oregonmeds... and this is the same guy that confesses to be a devout christian.<~~~ still laughing at him
See how well you follow.
Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is
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Babs34
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And you just keep impressing me less and less CJ.Oregon.... good post.... and that's been said about ten times now off and on.....
It's like logic quicksand...
Why your need to chime in with this BS?...NOT the disbelief, just the bs.
Babs34
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Keep saying that while EVERYONE PROVES MY POINT.........
BY IGNORING ME. HAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHA
LET'S ALL COUNT HOW MANY TIMES I HAVE SAID CHRIST IS NOT A DEBATE NOW.
NAHHHHHHHHH, NOT WORTH IT.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
anhedonia
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Who cares. Christ.
Babs34
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Yeap....aren't you the little comedian. Hardy HAR HAR
But seriously CJ, I've seen a side of you that is just "not right."
You have GONE OUT OF YOUR WAY TO DEFEND ISLAM/MUSLIMS........AND out of your way to BELITTLE Christianity.
You are defending something INdefensible and you know only a very little about.
You claim to know A LOT about Christianity......but still choose to defend islam....EVEN OPENLY WELCOME IT........sharia, the whole nine yards.
Something VERY not right about that.
AT ALL.
IAm5toned
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there he goes with the insults again
i said he on purpose, because it vexes you so
still laughingwait, thats not right... sorry let me fix it:
there he goes with that condenscending tone again
OregonMeds
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Yes I'm really all twisted up by insults... 
Babs I don't think you're seeing what CJ's trying to prove. It's all going right over your head or something.
My guess is he's only defending islam to show you how absurd cristianity is, but so far nobody's putting two and two together.
Just a guess...
Babs I don't think you're seeing what CJ's trying to prove. It's all going right over your head or something.
My guess is he's only defending islam to show you how absurd cristianity is, but so far nobody's putting two and two together.
Just a guess...
Babs34
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I see you over in your corner stoned........lonely and bored....with your condensending tone there.there he goes with the insults again
i said he on purpose, because it vexes you so
wait, thats not right... sorry let me fix it:
there he goes with that condenscending tone again
A little something to hold you over.
islam DEFINED TO A TEE
Fascism
often capitalizeda political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
Now go look up mahdi before you think you're going to be posting something ingenious to me......AGAIN.
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PadawanBater
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OK Babs, I'm trying to be civil here. I'm not coming with any hostility at all, I'm sitting here smoking a bowl just chilling out on this rainy day. Where would we be if we just kept arguing back and fourth... nowhere, each of us wouldn't gain anything from either interaction, so lets put some meaning into it. I'm going to explain my views to you as honest as possible, I need you to read it and consider my perspective, or the perspective of the individuals I talk about, otherwise you won't be able to understand where I'm coming from or why I believe the things I do. It's a good excercise, so just give it a try.
OK, you said Muslims are trying to take over the world. I personally do not feel very threatened by Islam taking over the world. Same goes for Christianity, I don't think these things can "take over the world" in any kind of real sense. 85% of America is "Christian" and I still don't feel like me or my beliefs are being "taken over by Christianity". Like I said before about the appearance of Islam, you and I both know how dangerous it is, most of the western world is in agreement as well. We know it's a barbaric ritualistic cult. It's so highly unlikely for Islam to become even a major threat to us, our values, our legal system, anything, that it's not even really worth mentioning. Fuck Sharia law, any atheist or rational thinking person would never submit to that, ever, under no circumstances. I can't even imagine why you would think someone could actually FORCE Sharia law upon us.
You can NEVER know enough about something.
I don't think it's ridiculous at all to fear Christian doctrine. For a few reasons, but you said you didn't want to discuss Christianity, and this thread's not about that, so I'll leave it at that.
Again, I've never defended Islam. I am in complete agreement with you that it is dangerous.
I can tolerate tolerance, but I'll never tolerate intollerance, what you suggest with the domination of Islam in the western world is explicitly in conflict with tolerance, therefor, I would NOT tolerate it.
I didn't say I was going to put you on ignore, I said "consider yourself ignored"... then something along the lines of "I'm only going to use you now as a jumping off point for Christian stupidity...". Here, I'll go get the quote... fuck it, can't seem to find it right now... Anyway, wanna retract that?
Not all Muslims take the Quran as the litteral word of Allah. Will you at least acknowledge that much?
Religion, as an atheist, affects my life on a daily basis.
CrackerJax
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Fascism
often capitalizeda political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti)
That definition fits the Vatican TO A TEE!!
Yes, Oregon, that was my point. We keep going over the same ground and getting nowhere.
often capitalizeda political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti)
That definition fits the Vatican TO A TEE!!
Yes, Oregon, that was my point. We keep going over the same ground and getting nowhere.
CrackerJax
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The church is basically a socialist theocracy.
Stoney McFried
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Well, it's hard to tell what attitude is being presented over the net;my bad.I recall we had a very calm conversation, most certainly.But I do disagree that we should fear Islam more than Christianity.For one thing, Christianity is much more present in day to day American life.So it wins just by proximity.If I were nearer the middle east, I'm sure you'd hear me bitching about Islam.
Stoney, I don't know why you even find anything I posted to you as insulting.
Stating that I would use simple language was in no way, form or manner intended to be an insult. It was only to suggest that I wasn't going to go on some flowery Jesus vigilante.
I guess you don't recall that you and I had a very calm and positive conversation months ago regarding religion.
::can't win for losing on this thread::
LOL, where are all the CHRISTIANS?
BTW, I think you got those statistics from the web site I put on here.
It's kind of silly to compare a percentage of evil verses from the quran vs. the Bible. There is VERY LIMITED writing in the quran as opposed to the Bible.....also not factored in were the Hadiths---which is where a TON of the verses would be sited.
I also did not insinuate that you would not read. At that point, I had already repeated myself over and over regarding some things. By the time I had posted, three more people had "challenged" me.
Nope Stoney, I'm not mad that "you" (or any one else for that matter) are down on Christians. As far as I'm concerned, mock it til your fingers bleed...no one has the right to never be offended.
I say both Christianity and Islam have done their share to thwart the progress of mankind.
.....and I agreed. In fact, several times over.
When I began to post, my stance was ALWAYS only that you cannot compare Christ and Mohammad.......you can't. They are extreme opposites.
I pointed out to "p" that his being scared of Christianity and our supposed need to take away from his values were without merit.
From that moment on......nothing but an attack.
And thus the laughter...beats getting upset.
Look, I already noted some took a whole lot of time to "break apart" my posts.
I'm not even going to read them right now. I DO have a life.
I may come back later tonight and respond. I may not.
One thing is for damn sure though.......I'm not going to be anyone's slab of meat.
Enough of the repeating...like I said, I've got a life.
morgentaler
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Re: Mohammed. I'll have to hunt it down. I believe it was referenced in The End of Faith, but that's one of several audiobooks I have and I'll have to find a textual reference.
Remember that Mohammed spent the first three to five years just hanging out and writing scripture and trying to win over followers. Oh, there's no doubt he was an incredible asshole, but like any cult you win over your initial followers with honey, not swords.
Anyway, the book indicated that the Quran was restructured by the clerics to an order they found more suitable. Heavily edited, just like the bible.
http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/07/24/online.bible/
As for Jesus's quote, this is the third time I've posted this in response to the merry Christian group in these various threads, and each time it's ignored so another straw man can be torched:
15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
He is directly chastising them for making a commandment of God have no effect, by not murdering the child who speaks back.
How very Christian of him.
And no, I'm not about to accuse you of abuse. I have no evidence to that effect. I'd accuse you of ignorance of the words of your own prophet.
But really, it's not a big deal. Historically we can see that Mohammed was crazy, dangerous, and real. Jesus, on the other hand was just crazy and dangerous. The whole real part is still pretty much unproven, due to the lack of evidence in the historial record.
You also might want to consider that by the time Mohammed was born, Chrisianity was already imperialist and spreading thanks to Constantine, and what Christians and Jews would consider attacks might have been considered retribution by the Muslims. I'm not taking sides on that. Just pointing it out because both are going to have a huge bias, and killing people over whose imaginary friend is better is incredibly stupid.
Remember that Mohammed spent the first three to five years just hanging out and writing scripture and trying to win over followers. Oh, there's no doubt he was an incredible asshole, but like any cult you win over your initial followers with honey, not swords.
Anyway, the book indicated that the Quran was restructured by the clerics to an order they found more suitable. Heavily edited, just like the bible.
http://www.codexsinaiticus.org/en/
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/07/24/online.bible/
As for Jesus's quote, this is the third time I've posted this in response to the merry Christian group in these various threads, and each time it's ignored so another straw man can be torched:
15:1 Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,15:2 Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.15:3 But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.15:5 But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
15:6 And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
He is directly chastising them for making a commandment of God have no effect, by not murdering the child who speaks back.
How very Christian of him.
And no, I'm not about to accuse you of abuse. I have no evidence to that effect. I'd accuse you of ignorance of the words of your own prophet.
But really, it's not a big deal. Historically we can see that Mohammed was crazy, dangerous, and real. Jesus, on the other hand was just crazy and dangerous. The whole real part is still pretty much unproven, due to the lack of evidence in the historial record.
You also might want to consider that by the time Mohammed was born, Chrisianity was already imperialist and spreading thanks to Constantine, and what Christians and Jews would consider attacks might have been considered retribution by the Muslims. I'm not taking sides on that. Just pointing it out because both are going to have a huge bias, and killing people over whose imaginary friend is better is incredibly stupid.
morgentaler
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As the quote from Matthew showed, if Jesus was berating them for having ignored a commandment of the Old Testament, there is no excuse for a Christian to not follow it.
I dunno. I think well thought out and readable posts are a sign of severe madness on the internet. Look around these forums. The general population likes to speak in caps, bold, and nonsensical half sentences increased 3 points in size.
That leaves us in the minority, and crazy by the majority standard.
There are things many of us could agree and disagree with. But we're not allowed to disagree with god, his son, his godson, sun god, whatever the whole arrangement was supposed to be
Only in societies where Christians have already indoctrinated themselves. Imagine living in a foreign country, in a village where the food supply has dried up, some people come into your village to help you, but they're telling you to accept these new gods. Do you risk offending them and losing the only sustenance that keeps you alive?
I love it when the Christian right gets angry for Atheists getting out and broadcasting their opinion. When Christians have been doing it for centuries, and have their own satellite channels specifically for evangelizing. Galileo was imprisoned and died just for being an astronomer and recording the facts of movement in the solar system, which angered the church. You and I shouldn't get to have opinions, because we're wrong (and not Christian).
Very good point.
morgentaler
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If they did have glass churches it would make it easier to catch the clergy molesting kids at least.
Brazko
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Here, I'll answer it for you,
It's SARCASM..and he's speaking of the Absurdity of the NOtion of What they have Chosen to Tell,, These days we call them Snitches...RATs, also, a few verses down he says...........
15:10-11 Hear, and Understand: NOt that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man: but that which cometh out of the Mouth, this defileth a Man...
I have REspect for a lot of you that assume the Title of Atheist, you often present your point of view without trying to Mock a Person's belief, although, it's a rarity... The hypocrisy tho' of coming off like OMG, why is BAb being so insulting is like
, really, come oN, Give me a fucking break, I just have no clue why She's acting that way.. 
and you can take it like you wanna, take it how you feel, But it's a Shit Load of Ignorants that continue to defile the Name Atheist..., these are the people you probably could get through to first if you are trying to make the world a better place, Oh, that's not part of the Agenda, Let me take on the entire World of Religion, Right, that's going to make a difference...,
CrackerJax
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I must have missed the bible edition with the sarcasm indicators.