CrackerJax
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Yes.... the desperation has definitely gone up a notch. It doesn't bother me tho... just reassures me that I made the right choice.
Proof of the existence of an intelligent Creator and what His purpose of mankind is
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Brazko
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I hear you Stone..but Atheism is not the absence of belief, everybody believes in something..By literal working definition, I am an Atheist, however I can convey and understand the meaning of words in which the context it is giving..That's why the applied meaning of Atheism had me over joyed..I was happy to find people that had similar moral context of living and the Universe..But I never got the chance to claim such a title because you all are no different from any other religion..To held up in pride in your own beliefs, to see that..Atheism isn't belief.It's the absence of belief.
Neener neener is always prevalent when the two opposing sides try to discuss anything..nobody wants to be logical or reasonable..
Atheism is the absent belief in some cosmological God..or gods.., however I believe Words put in context describe meaning, It is simply the words that keep people blinded to the true meaning being conveyed..Like I told CJ earlier, If Positive tHinking works for some people and not Dowins..It accomplishes the same things, what's the problem if you know it to be the same thing.. Its the people that are held in a false conception who you need to explain things to, but in a manner that will allow them to be open in receiving what you have to say,
That is the only problem, People held up in the pride of their belief Atheist or Religious..Just like CJ just did, won't acknowledge being wrong, So I must be desperate, yeah that's what it was, I'm Desperate (Sarcasm)
Anyhow, Its good to see your Sexy self Posting Again,
CrackerJax
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you create ur own hypothesis and then answer them urself...and think ur on to something.... u aren't. You've misinterpreted most everything I have written.
Stoney McFried
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I really don't think CJ is close minded or unwilling to admit he's wrong...he, along with myself,has stated that he doesn't know for sure what's out there. But like me, he's unwilling to accept the religious explanation because it offers no real proof. Science offers proof of its theories, and invites others to test them as well.
As atheists, we're not trying to sell someone on our beliefs...we don't organize in tax free environments seeking donations for our cause,we aren't demanding that everyone believe exactly how we believe,and we don't threaten people with horrible tortures for eternity if they don't.So atheism is the complete polar opposite of religion.
I guess my responses and those of many others may come off as arrogant or full of pride;I assure you that's not the case.In my case at least,I am just so tired of the religious assuming that their god is everyone's god,and that their beliefs are everyone's beliefs.I'm tired of people assuming I want to hear about Jesus,or Jehovah,without even asking me.It's like a form of mental rape,IMO.
So yes, I get pissed when I see someone post total nonsense and try to assert it as fact. I get tired of people spouting utter and complete nonsense that a little research on their part could easily refute.I get tired of people posting these things on a public forum becoming angry at people for disagreeing,and accusing these people of picking on them. Because they won't acknowledge that their belief system has oppressed and persecuted people for years,and it needs to be addressed.It needs to be removed from politics,from public life.If they want to believe privately, fine,but unfortunately, many of them cannot seem to do that.They feel this need to convert others to their particular way of thinking.They may think they want to do this because it will"save some souls", but the truth of the matter is, the more people that agree with them,the more it validates their beliefs.They don't want to question themselves.They cling to this belief because they fear the uncertain, the unknown. Fine.If they need this, fine. But they should not expect others to sit quietly and listen to this without responding. And the reason they get pissed when someone disagrees is because they don't want to question it.They cannot face that they may be wrong,that there may be nothing after this life.Nothingness is a terrifying concept to the human mind.It's as hard to grasp as infinity. If everything is in order, explained in a pat little manner,they can sleep at night.They must have a purpose, a meaning for all of this, or they will fall apart.I say fine.As long as they recognize my right to question anything they tell me.And unfortunately, many don't.
As atheists, we're not trying to sell someone on our beliefs...we don't organize in tax free environments seeking donations for our cause,we aren't demanding that everyone believe exactly how we believe,and we don't threaten people with horrible tortures for eternity if they don't.So atheism is the complete polar opposite of religion.
I guess my responses and those of many others may come off as arrogant or full of pride;I assure you that's not the case.In my case at least,I am just so tired of the religious assuming that their god is everyone's god,and that their beliefs are everyone's beliefs.I'm tired of people assuming I want to hear about Jesus,or Jehovah,without even asking me.It's like a form of mental rape,IMO.
So yes, I get pissed when I see someone post total nonsense and try to assert it as fact. I get tired of people spouting utter and complete nonsense that a little research on their part could easily refute.I get tired of people posting these things on a public forum becoming angry at people for disagreeing,and accusing these people of picking on them. Because they won't acknowledge that their belief system has oppressed and persecuted people for years,and it needs to be addressed.It needs to be removed from politics,from public life.If they want to believe privately, fine,but unfortunately, many of them cannot seem to do that.They feel this need to convert others to their particular way of thinking.They may think they want to do this because it will"save some souls", but the truth of the matter is, the more people that agree with them,the more it validates their beliefs.They don't want to question themselves.They cling to this belief because they fear the uncertain, the unknown. Fine.If they need this, fine. But they should not expect others to sit quietly and listen to this without responding. And the reason they get pissed when someone disagrees is because they don't want to question it.They cannot face that they may be wrong,that there may be nothing after this life.Nothingness is a terrifying concept to the human mind.It's as hard to grasp as infinity. If everything is in order, explained in a pat little manner,they can sleep at night.They must have a purpose, a meaning for all of this, or they will fall apart.I say fine.As long as they recognize my right to question anything they tell me.And unfortunately, many don't.
I hear you Stone..but Atheism is not the absence of belief, everybody believes in something..By literal working definition, I am an Atheist, however I can convey and understand the meaning of words in which the context it is giving..That's why the applied meaning of Atheism had me over joyed..I was happy to find people that had similar moral context of living and the Universe..But I never got the chance to claim such a title because you all are no different from any other religion..To held up in pride in your own beliefs, to see that..
Neener neener is always prevalent when the two opposing sides try to discuss anything..nobody wants to be logical or reasonable..
Atheism is the absent belief in some cosmological God..or gods.., however I believe Words put in context describe meaning, It is simply the words that keep people blinded to the true meaning being conveyed..Like I told CJ earlier, If Positive tHinking works for some people and not Dowins..It accomplishes the same things, what's the problem if you know it to be the same thing.. Its the people that are held in a false conception who you need to explain things to, but in a manner that will allow them to be open in receiving what you have to say,
That is the only problem, People held up in the pride of their belief Atheist or Religious..Just like CJ just did, won't acknowledge being wrong, So I must be desperate, yeah that's what it was, I'm Desperate (Sarcasm)
Anyhow, Its good to see your Sexy self Posting Again,
Brazko
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Like I said, I hear you Stone, but do you hear yourself, I have never seen a person deny that past.. I have seen people leave religion because of what Organized Religion stands or..,The people you condemn don't make the law..The Law just works to their favor.it s not their fault if it coincides with their belief, Blame the power construct that governs the World..believe me, they are not identified by the title of religion alone.. When a person tried to push unfound Dogma, on you, you address that messenger, but instead anyone with tat title behind their name gets thrown in the attack as well..when I address somebody, I address them..ill say them to include anybody else I have adressesed and any who hold to that same philosophy, but not claSsified as a whole..
Its whatever..do as you feel as necessary to achieve your goal..
Thanks for the Rep, it makes no difference, I still love you too, I'm not blinded by faith, I just live by it, some people just deny it to hide behind it..
Peace,
I know a fe misspelled words may be N thwre, My managers over my shoulder and some greas just popped into my eye
Its whatever..do as you feel as necessary to achieve your goal..
Thanks for the Rep, it makes no difference, I still love you too, I'm not blinded by faith, I just live by it, some people just deny it to hide behind it..
Peace,
I know a fe misspelled words may be N thwre, My managers over my shoulder and some greas just popped into my eye
CrackerJax
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blah blah blah.... this whole time you've been posting...u've been stealing from the ppl who employ you....
Stoney McFried
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I hear myself. Like I said before, I don't claim to know all the answers.
It is their fault that the law coincides with them...because many of them have insinuated themselves into our entire legal and political system,even though there is supposed to be a separation. They seek to force others to conform to their morality,and I for one will fight tooth and nail every step of the way.
I don't have any goals in regards to this other than to make people realize that freedom of religion is also freedom from religion.
Let's put it this way.Say I liked booger eating. Now, let's say you and I meet to have dinner.Knowing that my hobby is not for everyone, the polite thing to do would be to ask you if you would be offended if I talked about it.If you said no, that should be the end of it. However, I assume instead that my hobby is THE hobby,and everyone feels the same way because I feel that way.So as you begin to take a bite of your juicy steak, I start talking about picking my nose and eating it in very descriptive terms.You say you don't believe in eating boogers.Instead of respecting that,I proceed to tell you how people who don't eat their boogers are the minority in this country,and that this country was founded on booger eating,and one day you'll realize you were wrong and you'll be sorry. I don't stop and think...hmmmmm he's absolutely repulsed by booger eating.Why is this?Perhaps it's because he's an individual with his own views?No, instead I keep repeating the same tired thing over and over, on a loop, because I cannot accept any other lifestyle but my own.I don't want to think I may be wrong,because then I will have to reevaluate my entire life and the choices I've made and that's simply too tiring.It's just easier to believe I'm right.
For me, the same level of disgust you'd feel if I did that to you is the same level of disgust I feel on a daily basis when religious people assume their choice is everyone's choice,and the only reason people haven't chosen their choice is because they are ignorant or misguided.Then they have the audacity to be insulted when I explain to them, "No, I won't be doing it that way,I've made my own decisions."
And the rep I gave you was a neg rep,because you were attacking the person and not his argument.No hard feelings.
It is their fault that the law coincides with them...because many of them have insinuated themselves into our entire legal and political system,even though there is supposed to be a separation. They seek to force others to conform to their morality,and I for one will fight tooth and nail every step of the way.
I don't have any goals in regards to this other than to make people realize that freedom of religion is also freedom from religion.
Let's put it this way.Say I liked booger eating. Now, let's say you and I meet to have dinner.Knowing that my hobby is not for everyone, the polite thing to do would be to ask you if you would be offended if I talked about it.If you said no, that should be the end of it. However, I assume instead that my hobby is THE hobby,and everyone feels the same way because I feel that way.So as you begin to take a bite of your juicy steak, I start talking about picking my nose and eating it in very descriptive terms.You say you don't believe in eating boogers.Instead of respecting that,I proceed to tell you how people who don't eat their boogers are the minority in this country,and that this country was founded on booger eating,and one day you'll realize you were wrong and you'll be sorry. I don't stop and think...hmmmmm he's absolutely repulsed by booger eating.Why is this?Perhaps it's because he's an individual with his own views?No, instead I keep repeating the same tired thing over and over, on a loop, because I cannot accept any other lifestyle but my own.I don't want to think I may be wrong,because then I will have to reevaluate my entire life and the choices I've made and that's simply too tiring.It's just easier to believe I'm right.
For me, the same level of disgust you'd feel if I did that to you is the same level of disgust I feel on a daily basis when religious people assume their choice is everyone's choice,and the only reason people haven't chosen their choice is because they are ignorant or misguided.Then they have the audacity to be insulted when I explain to them, "No, I won't be doing it that way,I've made my own decisions."
And the rep I gave you was a neg rep,because you were attacking the person and not his argument.No hard feelings.
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PadawanBater
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Funny, if I posted this exact same thing I suspect I'd of gotten quite a different reply from ol' Braz... cuz the thing is... this is exactly what I've been saying the whole time.
It's pretty clear you disagree with my posts because of the poster, not the substance.
Take your own advice, get past your ego and put away your pride. This is the internet.
+rep Stoney (if I could)
Stoney McFried
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Thanks.And I have to say for the most part, the atheists have been cordial and succinct.The religious types are the ones who have been using personal attacks and name calling.Just sayin'.
CrackerJax
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Jesus killer!!!
Brazko
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No Stoney, People Abuse systems, Everybody don't abuse systems, People Misguided try to Guide (religious or atheist) neither or right
Majority don't agree with system but are conflicted with what the know to be true in their heart...but times are changing, the #s show it..but they are not becoming atheist they are leaving religion
Peace..do as you need and see fit
Majority don't agree with system but are conflicted with what the know to be true in their heart...but times are changing, the #s show it..but they are not becoming atheist they are leaving religion
Peace..do as you need and see fit
I hear myself. Like I said before, I don't claim to know all the answers.
It is their fault that the law coincides with them...because many of them have insinuated themselves into our entire legal and political system,even though there is supposed to be a separation. They seek to force others to conform to their morality,and I for one will fight tooth and nail every step of the way.
I don't have any goals in regards to this other than to make people realize that freedom of religion is also freedom from religion.
Let's put it this way.Say I liked booger eating. Now, let's say you and I meet to have dinner.Knowing that my hobby is not for everyone, the polite thing to do would be to ask you if you would be offended if I talked about it.If you said no, that should be the end of it. However, I assume instead that my hobby is THE hobby,and everyone feels the same way because I feel that way.So as you begin to take a bite of your juicy steak, I start talking about picking my nose and eating it in very descriptive terms.You say you don't believe in eating boogers.Instead of respecting that,I proceed to tell you how people who don't eat their boogers are the minority in this country,and that this country was founded on booger eating,and one day you'll realize you were wrong and you'll be sorry. I don't stop and think...hmmmmm he's absolutely repulsed by booger eating.Why is this?Perhaps it's because he's an individual with his own views?No, instead I keep repeating the same tired thing over and over, on a loop, because I cannot accept any other lifestyle but my own.I don't want to think I may be wrong,because then I will have to reevaluate my entire life and the choices I've made and that's simply too tiring.It's just easier to believe I'm right.
For me, the same level of disgust you'd feel if I did that to you is the same level of disgust I feel on a daily basis when religious people assume their choice is everyone's choice,and the only reason people haven't chosen their choice is because they are ignorant or misguided.Then they have the audacity to be insulted when I explain to them, "No, I won't be doing it that way,I've made my own decisions."
And the rep I gave you was a neg rep,because you were attacking the person and not his argument.No hard feelings.
P
PadawanBater
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lmao, just noticed the new sig CJ
morgentaler
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Consider me the exception
Though I made no apologies for it.
As soon as anyone starts presenting "God" as an exemplary being or using gibberish and bad science to obfuscate a discussion the gloves are off.
At least nobody tried to go the "flood geology" route.
Stoney McFried
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I haven't really seen you do anything I'd consider trolling. You always respond to whoever is addressing you, you present your side of the argument,you don't wander off into insane babble,or post merely to call someone a name without contributing to the rest of the thread....maybe I missed something......
Consider me the exception
Though I made no apologies for it.
As soon as anyone starts presenting "God" as an exemplary being or using gibberish and bad science to obfuscate a discussion the gloves are off.
At least nobody tried to go the "flood geology" route.
CrackerJax
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I thought that terrific example of high end thinking needed to be shared with everyone... pearls of wisdom don't come along every day.
Kind of statement that would make William F. Buckley jealous.
Can you imagine it? 
Stoney McFried
Well-Known Member
I have one..."Nobody understands what I'm saying, therefore I must be a genius...."
I thought that terrific example of high end thinking needed to be shared with everyone... pearls of wisdom don't come along every day.
Kind of statement that would make William F. Buckley jealous.
CrackerJax
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robert 14617
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its not just here , i see it in any form the religious post, its almost expectedThanks.And I have to say for the most part, the atheists have been cordial and succinct.The religious types are the ones who have been using personal attacks and name calling.Just sayin'.
sunshine17542
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hahaha 