You're just jealous Ron Paul supporters are hitting you with the facts so you're going to take your ball and go home. We don't need you to make up definitions on what is spam and what isn't. BTW it's not spam.
Quit being a control freak.
Ron Paul Has A Legit Shot.
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Quit being a control freak.
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The Tea Party has pushed for no more taxes or they'd vote the incumbent out. Don't forget the infaltion tax which is the biggest drain on our dollar. The Federal Reserve printing up money and devaluing the currency. That is our biggest threat.
The polls are not that far off. They nailed the dems in Iowa last time and the repubs were off no more than 5 percent. Although Rasmussen and PPP are polling differently.
Here's the thing about your prediction business. You don't pay attention. Ron Paul hasn't had a temporary rise. He has been rising steadily for a long time. People were saying early on Ron Paul will finish in the top three in Iowa, now he's leading and should win. I'm guessing by 5 percent or more.
UncleBuck
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UncleBuck
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actually, ron paul has started to trend down a bit lately after his rise. not a good sign, especially at this point in time.
40% of voters are still liable to change their minds, and that is not good for ron paul with his numbers suddenly trending slightly downward.
UncleBuck
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btw parker, i am paying attention. i even take into account all the smallest details, although admittedly some escape me.
the only people who will predict the outcome in iowa correctly are the people who made lucky predictions. there is almost no way to know for sure, historically.
checking out the numbers for the overall nomination, a romney win seems quite inevitable. why do you think biden talked bad about romney the other day if paul is the real threat?
answer: paul is not a threat. sorry. he is a bad campaigner who is swimming in his suits. if he had better handlers, he would at least wear suits that fit him properly.
the only people who will predict the outcome in iowa correctly are the people who made lucky predictions. there is almost no way to know for sure, historically.
checking out the numbers for the overall nomination, a romney win seems quite inevitable. why do you think biden talked bad about romney the other day if paul is the real threat?
answer: paul is not a threat. sorry. he is a bad campaigner who is swimming in his suits. if he had better handlers, he would at least wear suits that fit him properly.
Dan Kone
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The thing about it is that Ron Paul voters will turn out more than supporters for any other candidate. People vote for Romney because they think he can beat Obama. People vote for Ron Paul because they BELIEVE in him. That's powerful. Paul could slightly outperform his poll results because of that. And if there is bad weather on voting day, Ron Paul will far outperform polling. His supporters are simply more devoted.
That being said, if Romney wins Iowa, game over. Ron Paul will retire from politics (bout time)
Its all predictions as of right now. Mitt and Ging have both been slipping as of late, in the worst time to slip. Paul has been on the rise, and has been since he first announced he was going to run. It looks like he will win Iowa, which has been, for most past elections, a very important win. Obama won Iowa in 08 which pushed him ahead of clinton, it will do the same with Paul. And even if Mitt wins NH, paul will more than likely come in 2nd, only boosting his popularity more nationally. You can't call him 'unelectable' when he IS winning in some states, and very much a 'front-runner', no matter how much the media blacks his name out. A few racist newsletters that he did/didn't write some 20 years ago shouldn't discredit him enough to call him 'unelectable'. As Dane kone has said many times in this thread, Ron paul has less cons than any other republican candidate, which is absolutely true and will have a huge effect on the election. IMO, when bachmann/santorum/perry finally back out of the race, Pauls numbers will rise even more. So to say he is 'unelectable' for president AND GOP nomination this early on, is just plain stupid when he obviously has rock solid supporters who WON'T be changing their vote, unlike Mitt and Newts supporters.
Have you ever considered that your own involvement could be the largest factor in all this? It's not like we are arguing with ourselves here.
RyanTheRhino
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when it comes to calling house line s that's great but the majority of Ron Paul supporters have cell phones and how many 65 year olds do you really think will come out bringing all their friends .
UncleBuck
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counterpoint: huckabee in 2008. you are blinding yourself with the reality you want to see. iowa breaks to social conservatives. perry and santorum will surprise you.
watch out for huntsman, especialy if romney does not do well in iowa, which is likely given how the state breaks historically.
huntsman could be the final "anyone but romney".
i sure can call him unelectable. he has extremely low support in subsequent primary states and i can point to national polling numbers that show that nearly 2/3 would not even consider voting for him.
you don't win a nomination with 25-30% of the vote.
the man has so much baggage that his baggage has baggage.
the more people find out about ron paul, the less they like him. this should be evident after the recent decline in his poll numbers once news outlets started reporting on stuff he has actually done and said. or, as ron paul worshippers tend to chracterize it, "smear him".
lol.
who says ron paul will not drop out before they do?
he does have rock solid supporters. about 15% at best in most states. 15% does not a nomination win.
RyanTheRhino
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Oh and another strong point you need to consider is that those Iowa polls only count people who have previously registered as republican. You don't need to pre-register in Iowa you can walk up and register the same day as the caucus.
So as of the most recent polls Ron Paul has 22% of the republicans
but he also has 38% of the independent that can and will show up at the caucus to vote for him.
+ a few % form anti war liberals
So as of the most recent polls Ron Paul has 22% of the republicans
but he also has 38% of the independent that can and will show up at the caucus to vote for him.
+ a few % form anti war liberals
budlover13
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That's something that i have rarely seen addressed in all the poll bickering. Sure the Rep #'s are tight but they don't take into account Independents or Dems most of the time.
JamCE
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Ron Paul wants every American Military base shut down overseas and bring every single troop Home; which is commendable in theory, but realistically would never happen. The controversial idea of him even wanting to close the federal reserve for some people just throw him to a category label as "fantasy". I mean he is silly to believe that truly those options are the only way to go to fix the country?
Though the mass media ignoring him from both the liberal network CNN and the lying conservative side FOX is a bit extreme and shows clearly their true agenda when it comes to influencing society.
In the end it truly comes down to Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. The candidates against Obama are starting to shape up similar to George Bush's opposition when it was between Bush and Kerry. John Kerry campaigning against Bush in the heart of the War on Terrorism was a disaster for Democrats who leaned so opposite from the current climate and attitude in America. Yet this election we have the opposite party in a classic "Kerry vs Bush".
Though the odd thing is that the conservative message sounds so much like Obama's message from 2008's "change you can believe in"...conservatives seem to be making bold statements for the change in this country along usual party lines and compromising at times with an overwhelmed angry middle class arguing that the Republicans can give the country a face lift with their proposals for reducing the debt and curbing extra spending (which completely opposite to what republicans have consistently done).
Now you offer us Newt, the guy who claims to take the bull by his balls and squeeze attitude approach to everything or the man who has some Gandalf touch when it comes to fiscal responsibility and has the mommies boy look? Oh, and let's not forget about the other guy...Ron Paul. lol
Though the mass media ignoring him from both the liberal network CNN and the lying conservative side FOX is a bit extreme and shows clearly their true agenda when it comes to influencing society.
In the end it truly comes down to Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney. The candidates against Obama are starting to shape up similar to George Bush's opposition when it was between Bush and Kerry. John Kerry campaigning against Bush in the heart of the War on Terrorism was a disaster for Democrats who leaned so opposite from the current climate and attitude in America. Yet this election we have the opposite party in a classic "Kerry vs Bush".
Though the odd thing is that the conservative message sounds so much like Obama's message from 2008's "change you can believe in"...conservatives seem to be making bold statements for the change in this country along usual party lines and compromising at times with an overwhelmed angry middle class arguing that the Republicans can give the country a face lift with their proposals for reducing the debt and curbing extra spending (which completely opposite to what republicans have consistently done).
Now you offer us Newt, the guy who claims to take the bull by his balls and squeeze attitude approach to everything or the man who has some Gandalf touch when it comes to fiscal responsibility and has the mommies boy look? Oh, and let's not forget about the other guy...Ron Paul. lol
budlover13
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budlover13
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i, personally, have enjoyed MOST of UB's input in the Ron Paul debates on this forum.
UncleBuck
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what about all the times it was not important?
chicken and egg here.
would i ever respond to a ron paul worshipper if they didn't throw out something for me to respond to?
it is what it is.
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