Rurumo's HLG 650R Grow Journal

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Rurumo

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Impello Bioscience, makers of Tribus and the Corn Starch Liquor I'm using, just came out with a new Mono-Silicic acid product https://impellobio.com/products/dune. My Grow Genius will take a while to work through, but I will definitely check out this product when I'm in the market for silicic acid again. Impello makes quality products. Speaking of which, I like to give one last moco-silicic acid foliar just prior to bud formation-I'll do that tonight.
 
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I'm going to get some pics of my "organic" C99 next to the Maxi C99 tonight when my lights come back on, but so far, the corn starch liquor plant is looking just as good, and might be a shade greener. I'm mixing 9 grams of csl into 5 liters of water + 2ml TPS calmag +1g of Epsom + .5 g potassium bicarbonate. The only way I could get CSL to work in coco is with the added KHCO3. The PH of my solution comes out to 6.3 after adding it. The really crazy thing is my water is already alkaline to begin with, so anyone who uses CSL will really need to adapt it to the hardness of their water. One nice thing is, if you do have alkaline water to begin with, this might be an AWESOME fertilizer for you! It's not an all in one fertilizer however, at least, not inside...you have to add Ca with CSL at the minimum and Mg under LEDS at the minimum, plus deal with the extreme acidity. BUT, if it works out, I think it will become extremely popular as a less expensive POWDERED alternative to expensive liquid organic bottled nutes. Most people go with big pots of mixed organic soil/topdressing for their Organic grows, but I like the option of a simple liquid organic/coco fertigation grow too-I used to kill it in coco with Pure Blend Pro back in the day.

I can also see CSL working in promix with added dolomite, but the question is, how much added dolomite? It absolutely will need more than is in there to begin with. Anyway, for now the KHCO3 is a workaround for coco. Both my CSL and Maxi solutions come out at about .9 EC. I'm currently feeding 3.5 g Maxigro + 3.5 g Maxibloom +2 gram epsom per 3.5 gallons of water for the Maxi plants. I've also started adding 2 grams of CSL to the Maxi formula (per 3.5 gal) as my "bloom booster" in lieu of any extra mono-potassium phosphate. The N in CSL is all amino acids, and I see very similar benefits to using it as when I use soy hydrolysate or Spirulina. I believe CSL will end up being a top tier terpene enhancer.

Last thing I wanted to mention is that I do NOT like the powdered Fulvic acid I bought (Ferti-Fulvic) and I dislike it so much I won't even finish what I ordered. Don't make my mistake, it's not a good option compared to Mr. Fulvic. Mr. Fulvic is the only Fulvic acid I'd recommend at this point.
 
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I e been having good success of using cultured biologix nutrients and there easy teas … only thing I use for soil is nectar #4 and I amend it after each grow with one shot , EWC , earthshine…. My mycorrhiza is DYNOMYCO , Bigfoot … doing less is more … I use to use nectar of the gods nutrients mixing at least 12 bottles … now I mix powdered nutrients .
 
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I just chopped one plant from the 2x2. Based on this plant, I'm figuring an average of 12 grams a plant for a total of 168 grams! That's over 2 grams a watt dry! I did nothing special. A little defoliation. Organic soil I'm experimenting with a hybrid organic/ manufactured nutrient grow. Starting around week 4, I watered with 175-200 ppms of Megacrop. Plants are in 6"x6" pots, about .75 gallons. It's hard to do straight organic i small pots so I decided to try this and I'm pleased with the results!
I'll chop in another week!

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread!
 
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pop22 said:
I just chopped one plant from the 2x2. Based on this plant, I'm figuring an average of 12 grams a plant for a total of 168 grams! That's over 2 grams a watt dry! I did nothing special. A little defoliation. Organic soil I'm experimenting with a hybrid organic/ manufactured nutrient grow. Starting around week 4, I watered with 175-200 ppms of Megacrop. Plants are in 6"x6" pots, about .75 gallons. It's hard to do straight organic i small pots so I decided to try this and I'm pleased with the results!
I'll chop in another week!

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack your thread!
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No worries, I love to see what other people are doing, especially when they are experimenting! I find those square 5.5-6" pots are one of my favorite sizes-great for things like squeezing a few males into a 2x2. Mothers get too big and beefy in them if you are trying to keep them small, but you can grow a tree in one in coco during flower too. The only non air pots I buy are 3" and 5.5".

Straight organic IS HARD in small pots! Totally agree, you need a nice big root ball full of bacteria and fungi to process it right. The "organic" csl formula I came up with maintained plants in 4" pots under t5s just adequately. I thought it would fall short during the stretch phase. But instead, the CSL plant looks incredible. I'll get some side by sides next to the maxi plant tonight-I meant to do that the other day, but it looks even better now. This is the first time I transplanted into a bigger pot right when switching to 12/12. I checked the roots last night and they have fully rooted the bigger pots. I've always given a week or so between transplanting and flipping, but I think I like this new way better-the plants have looked super vigorous and happy since I flipped and upped the light.

It has been a few days since I increased the light, so I'll bump it up again tonight, either turn it up another notch or lower the light a bit. I had more males than expected, but my friend who is growing some of the same strains had mostly females, so we're trading again. I wanted to show the 3 FDM strains I started with, so I grabbed a female ESB from him-mine were males and I just wanted a single female ESB just to get an idea if I want to dedicate a full grow to that strain. I have a pack of Nigerian Sunshine on the way from Swami so I'm super excited to see how the two strains compare.

I'll show you guys what I'm going with for the rest of the grow in the next update! So, just as a reminder, these C99 seeds are from the 1998 release from Bros Grimm, and are F4s. I noticed that the females are pretty consistent looking in veg (they are healthy, vigorous, lovely plants) and I've been comparing the leaves to some of the other C99 grow journals ongoing right now and the leaves on the FDM plants are much thinner than the new Bros Grimm C99 plants, I'm curious how similar the smoke is.

Also, I ended up with a male totally unlike the rest, it's super fast growing, tall, with narrow leaves and long internodes. It also reeks in veg, just reeks of citrus, so I'm keeping it, I can't wait to collect some leaves from it once it really gets going for some test bowls.
 
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Rurumo said:
No worries, I love to see what other people are doing, especially when they are experimenting! I find those square 5.5-6" pots are one of my favorite sizes-great for things like squeezing a few males into a 2x2. Mothers get too big and beefy in them if you are trying to keep them small, but you can grow a tree in one in coco during flower too. The only non air pots I buy are 3" and 5.5".

Straight organic IS HARD in small pots! Totally agree, you need a nice big root ball full of bacteria and fungi to process it right. The "organic" csl formula I came up with maintained plants in 4" pots under t5s just adequately. I thought it would fall short during the stretch phase. But instead, the CSL plant looks incredible. I'll get some side by sides next to the maxi plant tonight-I meant to do that the other day, but it looks even better now. This is the first time I transplanted into a bigger pot right when switching to 12/12. I checked the roots last night and they have fully rooted the bigger pots. I've always given a week or so between transplanting and flipping, but I think I like this new way better-the plants have looked super vigorous and happy since I flipped and upped the light.

It has been a few days since I increased the light, so I'll bump it up again tonight, either turn it up another notch or lower the light a bit. I had more males than expected, but my friend who is growing some of the same strains had mostly females, so we're trading again. I wanted to show the 3 FDM strains I started with, so I grabbed a female ESB from him-mine were males and I just wanted a single female ESB just to get an idea if I want to dedicate a full grow to that strain. I have a pack of Nigerian Sunshine on the way from Swami so I'm super excited to see how the two strains compare.

I'll show you guys what I'm going with for the rest of the grow in the next update! So, just as a reminder, these C99 seeds are from the 1998 release from Bros Grimm, and are F4s. I noticed that the females are pretty consistent looking in veg (they are healthy, vigorous, lovely plants) and I've been comparing the leaves to some of the other C99 grow journals ongoing right now and the leaves on the FDM plants are much thinner than the new Bros Grimm C99 plants, I'm curious how similar the smoke is.

Also, I ended up with a male totally unlike the rest, it's super fast growing, tall, with narrow leaves and long internodes. It also reeks in veg, just reeks of citrus, so I'm keeping it, I can't wait to collect some leaves from it once it really gets going for some test bowls.
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I’m excited to see the FDM C99 progress and from your description, I’m not surprised about the leaves being thinner and more sativa looking, as I believe it is more of an “original” C99 than even Mr Souls newer releases of C99…

and have you got any plans for that pollen from than nice male you found ?? Would be cool to see it pollinate unrelated females to see the influence he has on the offspring !

It’s always a pleasure to see your work, keep on rocking !
 
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weednerd.anthony.850 said:
I’m excited to see the FDM C99 progress and from your description, I’m not surprised about the leaves being thinner and more sativa looking, as I believe it is more of an “original” C99 than even Mr Souls newer releases of C99…

and have you got any plans for that pollen from than nice male you found ?? Would be cool to see it pollinate unrelated females to see the influence he has on the offspring !

It’s always a pleasure to see your work, keep on rocking !
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I should have a few males to choose from too, since my friend wanted to take in a few of mine-he has two really nice smaller males. So we'll see how they turn out, and then possibly, I will take the best male and reverse it for my next little side project. I'm planning on pollinating the C99, ESB, and Swt #4, but we'll see once I'm a little closer. I stuck a 4" automotive air filter directly onto the 4" (cheap version) ac infinity vent fan in my 2x2-it fit perfectly, air tight seal with no tape or anything, so I'm curious to see how well it handles a little pollen-I have the male in there. One thing I wish I had are those sweet $100 dust mushrooms for each of my intakes-those things hardly reduce your airflow at all but they seem to catch everything. My buddy who just started growing has them on his tents, I'm so jealous lol.
 
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I'll be growing out 2 lines of Original Haze next year so I've been doing a ton of reading up on the various phenos you can find. If you want to dive deep into the world of Ohaze, here is a great thread with Sam Skunkman, who is the original source of most of the available original haze lines, though they have since been worked by other people. https://www.icmag.com/threads/question-for-sam-the-skunkman-on-the-original-haze.77798/

Charlie Garcia also joins in with some good info near the beginning-this thread is a goldmine of information from some of the cannabis world greats!
 
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So, everyone is looking great, I haven't adjusted the light yet just because the plants are looking so good 7 days into 12/12, and they are steadily growing up into the light anyway. Most of these measured at 35k lux, and in the past using this meter my plants have produced well at 45-55k lux, so that's what I'll shoot for by the time they are past the stretch phase.

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Here are two C99s-they look very similar to the Cindies my friend has going now too-very similar size, growth habits, with slight variations in leaf width/size. Still getting the same .9 EC nutrient solution.

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Here are another couple of pics of those plants.

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ESB-also looking good but smaller, since I just put it inside this tent.

I thought I had a good one of the Sweet Tooth #4 but I guess I was mistaken-I'll add one tonight. The Sweet Tooth really moves it's leaves around dramatically with the DLI, it's a very cool plant, and I think it's one of the prettiest strains in veg too. Lastly, I wanted to mention how much I love this light for pictures! I had such a hard time with my phone's camera under my last light, it was just super confused by the spectrum, couldn't decide on the color settings to use, and it wouldn't even auto-focus while inside the tent only-outside it was fine. The HLG light is just a nice spectrum to get bright clear photos-I can't wait till I have buds again to see the difference. Just compare these pics to my last journal.
 
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Rurumo said:
I'll be growing out 2 lines of Original Haze next year so I've been doing a ton of reading up on the various phenos you can find. If you want to dive deep into the world of Ohaze, here is a great thread with Sam Skunkman, who is the original source of most of the available original haze lines, though they have since been worked by other people. https://www.icmag.com/threads/question-for-sam-the-skunkman-on-the-original-haze.77798/

Charlie Garcia also joins in with some good info near the beginning-this thread is a goldmine of information from some of the cannabis world greats!
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What lines you going for then mate tom hills seedsman or oldtimers or?
 
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conor c said:
What lines you going for then mate tom hills seedsman or oldtimers or?
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I picked up 50 seeds each of THH and Madmac's Original Haze repro that uses seeds from Johnny Chicago (Seedsman) and Golli (90s Sam Skunkman). I've seen so many great pictures and incredible phenos from all of those lines over the years, just lurking in haze forums, I'm really excited to start popping each of those lines. I've been re-reading the IC mag haze threads for useful info, there is so much good stuff in those threads from Tom Hill and Sam Skunkman, and it's just cool to hear about these lines from the folks who worked them for so long. I'd like to run Oldtimer's haze again in the future, but since I already have run it, I figured I'd start with these lines instead. I like that Mac did the repros right using decent #s of males/females.
 
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Rurumo said:
I picked up 50 seeds each of THH and Madmac's Original Haze repro that uses seeds from Johnny Chicago (Seedsman) and Golli (90s Sam Skunkman). I've seen so many great pictures and incredible phenos from all of those lines over the years, just lurking in haze forums, I'm really excited to start popping each of those lines. I've been re-reading the IC mag haze threads for useful info, there is so much good stuff in those threads from Tom Hill and Sam Skunkman, and it's just cool to hear about these lines from the folks who worked them for so long. I'd like to run Oldtimer's haze again in the future, but since I already have run it, I figured I'd start with these lines instead. I like that Mac did the repros right using decent #s of males/females.
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Yeah im sure it will be good
 
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For this current grow, I'm thinking of crossing one of my C99 females with my friend's ESB male, and then cross my ESB female with my C99 male. Then in the future, grow out examples of each side by side. Even with different parents, this should make for an interesting project-I've always thought it cool how the same cross can change so much with the strains flipped, beyond just using different males/females.

Then further down the road, I want to do the same thing with the same male and female- using STS to reverse the female, and Florel to reverse the male. That way you have the normal female/male cross, then the same cross reversed, with reversed fem pollen and a reversed male to pollinate. I'll be very curious to compare the progeny of those crosses. I need more practice reversing before I do that though. Next time I'll reverse a couple of cuts along with the Strawberry Cough for practice.
 
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If you are a haze lover, check out Madmac's repros (and Ohaze crosses) at Proseeds, it's a seedbank in the UK, they are reliable and have stuff you can't really find anywhere else-I just received my order, took about ten days from England, zero troubles. Proseeds also a source of Cryptic Lab's gear, which seems harder to find these days than like ten years ago. Great customer service and a unique/reliable shipping method. There are some other agricultural companies with a similar name, so just google "proseeds madmac" and it's the first link. I will do some hunting in these seeds next year and can't wait to show off all the cool phenos and bleeding stems.

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Rurumo said:
I picked up 50 seeds each of THH and Madmac's Original Haze repro that uses seeds from Johnny Chicago (Seedsman) and Golli (90s Sam Skunkman). I've seen so many great pictures and incredible phenos from all of those lines over the years, just lurking in haze forums, I'm really excited to start popping each of those lines. I've been re-reading the IC mag haze threads for useful info, there is so much good stuff in those threads from Tom Hill and Sam Skunkman, and it's just cool to hear about these lines from the folks who worked them for so long. I'd like to run Oldtimer's haze again in the future, but since I already have run it, I figured I'd start with these lines instead. I like that Mac did the repros right using decent #s of males/females.
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I have a pack of Original Haze from here:
agseedco.com

Original Haze 100% Colombian IBL (Inbred Line) Regular Seeds

ORIGINAL HAZE IBL (Inbred Line) Regular Seeds 10 Seeds for $50.00 ($5.00 each) 11 to 16 Weeks These are the real deal original Haze seeds directly from Skunkman Sam who is the person who saved them in the early 70s and brought them to Holland in 1985. I got the Original Haze seeds directly from...
agseedco.com agseedco.com

I have to setup another tent and light for them as they'll take awhile to finish. I can't wait to see what you get and are you planning on running them under your 650R boards? I'm looking for a light for the new tent.

I've finished an F2 table of his NL#2 and NL#5 I was happy with both of them. I'm waiting to pull down my F2 of his Skunk #1. But so far it smells stinky
 
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Rurumo said:
If you are a haze lover, check out Madmac's repros (and Ohaze crosses) at Proseeds, it's a seedbank in the UK, they are reliable and have stuff you can't really find anywhere else-I just received my order, took about ten days from England, zero troubles. Proseeds also a source of Cryptic Lab's gear, which seems harder to find these days than like ten years ago. Great customer service and a unique/reliable shipping method. There are some other agricultural companies with a similar name, so just google "proseeds madmac" and it's the first link. I will do some hunting in these seeds next year and can't wait to show off all the cool phenos and bleeding stems.

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That's a nice score for sure! You plan on doing a seed increase?
 
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curious2garden said:
I have a pack of Original Haze from here:
agseedco.com

Original Haze 100% Colombian IBL (Inbred Line) Regular Seeds

ORIGINAL HAZE IBL (Inbred Line) Regular Seeds 10 Seeds for $50.00 ($5.00 each) 11 to 16 Weeks These are the real deal original Haze seeds directly from Skunkman Sam who is the person who saved them in the early 70s and brought them to Holland in 1985. I got the Original Haze seeds directly from...
agseedco.com agseedco.com

I have to setup another tent and light for them as they'll take awhile to finish. I can't wait to see what you get and are you planning on running them under your 650R boards? I'm looking for a light for the new tent.

I've finished an F2 table of his NL#2 and NL#5 I was happy with both of them. I'm waiting to pull down my F2 of his Skunk #1. But so far it smells stinky
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I will most likely use the 650R because I like it so much, but I can see how a bar light might be easier to deal with height-wise with fast growing nld plants. At the same time, the stuff I did to keep my current plants short worked, so I think I'll just start with the 650R and see how it goes. I really like the 650 for pictures, it should be fun with those colorful ohaze phenos.

Those are good seeds. All of the lines I mentioned started with Sam Skunkman at different times, so by growing out different packets, you can see how the same seed stock diverged as the lines were selected and propagated by different people. I think Tom Hill got his seeds in the early 90s, and he selected towards the Thai side, while the others selected more towards the Colombian. I like Thai and Colombian strains, so I can't wait to see their similarities and differences.
 
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MtRainDog said:
That's a nice score for sure! You plan on doing a seed increase?
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I'd really like to at some point, just for my personal use, and my friends/fam. I want to be able to find any rare pheno I want...eventually...so I wanted decent seed #s for the preservation. I regret buying more than one of certain packs over the years, and don't want to make that mistake anymore with strains that I care about preserving.
 
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Here is the Sweet Tooth #4 I forgot to get a pic of the other day. This is one of those plants you can easily identify in veg. For having such broad leaves, the high from this plant is up without being racy, and very happy. We decided to keep the C99 males at my friend's house, and when I was over there yesterday we rubbed the stems and it's amazing how different they were-the best two had a potent, sharp lime reek, and the other smelled like majorly overripe bananas. So it will be interesting to see how those stem rub scents end up relating to how the progeny turn out (will the terps be similar at all?), from the same female. The "lime" male could be a good choice for this Sweet Tooth #4 too i think. Aren't the leaves on these pretty?

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Rurumo said:
I will most likely use the 650R because I like it so much, but I can see how a bar light might be easier to deal with height-wise with fast growing nld plants. At the same time, the stuff I did to keep my current plants short worked, so I think I'll just start with the 650R and see how it goes. I really like the 650 for pictures, it should be fun with those colorful ohaze phenos.

Those are good seeds. All of the lines I mentioned started with Sam Skunkman at different times, so by growing out different packets, you can see how the same seed stock diverged as the lines were selected and propagated by different people. I think Tom Hill got his seeds in the early 90s, and he selected towards the Thai side, while the others selected more towards the Colombian. I like Thai and Colombian strains, so I can't wait to see their similarities and differences.
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That's why I was interested. So far the NL #2 and #5 have been a nice comparison and wonderful blast from my past. Now that I have more seeds I can search down the genetic line at my leisure.

I would give a lot to find pure mexican brick weed seeds. The ones I casually tossed out. That clear, ceilingless high is something I've never found since then. Further it was weak enough you could simply enjoy smoking it and not worrying that unless you had max tolerance after three puffs you'd white out, like I had to warn the hub about C99.

I'm hoping I find that in the OH. Anyway love your journal, you do great work.
 
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